Iíve got a Sabian prototype 17 inch hand hammered crash thatís amazing. Mark Love from Sabian told me what made it different when I bought it a couple of years ago from the prototype tour. Canít recall completely, but I think itís got HHX-style lathing and an AA profile. Or something. Whatever it is, it immediately became by fave crash. Works great in everything from heavy rock to (not-too-light) jazz.