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Forum: Drum Technique 04-05-2014, 04:58 PM
Replies: 6
Views: 425
Posted By T-1000
Re: Does Chris Dave use Mike Mangini's 'shiver' technique?

But can't Mike play 99% as fast as his shiver technique using conventional hand techniques though?

Does he use his shiver technique to maintain the 16th note rides @ 170bpm?
Forum: Drum Technique 04-05-2014, 11:05 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 425
Posted By T-1000
Re: Does Chris Dave use Mike Mangini's 'shiver' technique?

Cool. So are there any examples of any other drummers but Mangini using the shiver technique?

Is it actually useful seeing as finger control and wrist control will get you very similar results?
Forum: Drum Technique 04-05-2014, 01:14 AM
Replies: 6
Views: 425
Posted By T-1000
Does Chris Dave use Mike Mangini's 'shiver' technique?

Check snare the roll at the beginning;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpd_CYrU_Yk

Looks like it could be a version of Mangini's 'shiver' technique with a bit more stick height. Do you guys...
Forum: Drum Technique 02-18-2014, 02:47 PM
Replies: 38
Views: 1,248
Posted By T-1000
Re: The ultimate independence test - can anyone do this?

Gret performance.

But I hear no polyrhythms, just a lot of phasing in and out out synchronization.

But perhaps I don't have an ear for polyrhythms, and they are there but I'm not picking them...
Forum: Drum Technique 02-13-2014, 02:42 PM
Replies: 38
Views: 1,248
Posted By T-1000
Re: The ultimate independence test - can anyone do this?

What's up with the attitude?

This is more of a thought experiment, and I already have admitted it is not really musical - just wanted to know how far the concept of independence could be pushed.
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Forum: Drum Technique 02-13-2014, 01:38 PM
Replies: 38
Views: 1,248
Posted By T-1000
Re: The ultimate independence test - can anyone do this?

Yes, I picked them at random. Well - not totally at random because I didn't want there to be an easy relationship between them such as 100bpm and 200bpm or even 150bpm and 100bpm.

So, let's scale...
Forum: Drum Technique 02-13-2014, 12:50 PM
Replies: 38
Views: 1,248
Posted By T-1000
Re: The ultimate independence test - can anyone do this?

I'm not saying it would be musical - but, arguably, a lot of independence exercises are not musical anyway.

I'm just saying it seems to be the logical extremity of independence exercises - play in...
Forum: Drum Technique 02-10-2014, 06:59 PM
Replies: 38
Views: 1,248
Posted By T-1000
The ultimate independence test - can anyone do this?

Play sixteenth notes at 167bpm with your left hand, and at the same time play sixteenth notes at 179bpm with your right hand.

Can anyone do this? Is it humanly possible?

You can add the feet if...
Forum: Drum Technique 02-09-2014, 07:21 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 1,954
Posted By T-1000
Re: Comparing Systems for Modern Advanced Coordination

Has anyone mentioned The New Breed by Gary Chester yet?

I thought that was somewhat the 'gold standard' on the topic, along with the already-mentioned 4-Way Coordination.

Minnemann's may be the...
Forum: Drum Technique 02-07-2014, 12:12 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 418
Posted By T-1000
Re: George Kollias tuplet pyramid video?

That is exactly the one - thanks a lot!!
Forum: Drum Technique 02-06-2014, 06:57 PM
Replies: 193
Views: 40,005
Posted By T-1000
Re: Murray Spivack technique?

Is it safe to say that this technique is basically the Gladstone technique but with the fulcrum in the middle finger instead of the index finger?

That's what it seems like to me - people are...
Forum: Drum Technique 02-06-2014, 06:49 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 418
Posted By T-1000
George Kollias tuplet pyramid video?

Hello people - does anyone know where is that vid of Kollias where he starts playing half notes, then triplets, then quarter notes, then quintuplets, then sextuplets, then septuplets, then sixteenth...
Forum: Drum Technique 07-13-2013, 09:29 PM
Replies: 22
Views: 1,495
Posted By T-1000
Re: Is Moeller technique banned from WFD?

Most people use standard finger technique don't they? Only Mangini used that weird wobbling technique, and the conventional finger technique guys are within spitting distance of him anyway, all...
Forum: Drum Technique 07-13-2013, 04:08 AM
Replies: 22
Views: 1,495
Posted By T-1000
Is Moeller technique banned from WFD?

Is it banned? If not, why not? The open close/push pull/whatever you want to call it technique was outlawed as it was considered a hybrid or multi component stroke... The Moeller also fits this...
Forum: Drum Technique 07-12-2013, 10:16 PM
Replies: 2
Views: 631
Posted By T-1000
Secret Weapons For The Modern Drummer... But for the FEET?

SWFTMD is the best, most comprehensive DVD out there for hand technique...

What's it's equivalent in the foot technique world?

And Jojo planning on doing this? When?

Thanks.
Forum: General Discussion 05-05-2013, 09:00 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 984
Posted By T-1000
Re: Recommend good youtube drum channels...?

Oh, I guess I should add Troy Wright on youtube if you to see the most fluidly played covers of Meshuggah that will ever exist. (He does other stuff too). I swear the guy is better than Tomas Haake...
Forum: Drum Technique 05-05-2013, 06:19 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,982
Posted By T-1000
Re: Fast single stroke rolls with no fingers?

Flo Mournier is actually a guy who, to me, it looks like his technique is very finger-y, and not using wrists so much.
Forum: General Discussion 05-05-2013, 06:16 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 984
Posted By T-1000
Recommend good youtube drum channels...?

Thanks. I'm looking for not the channel of any specific drummer or band, but a general drum channel that might do a mix of stuff from interviews, to studio footage, to gear review and discussion, to...
Forum: Drum Technique 03-06-2013, 11:29 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,982
Posted By T-1000
Re: Fast single stroke rolls with no fingers?

Hey Derek, yeah, I have a very loose floor tom that gives practically no rebound, and I'd like to be able to play as fast on that as I can on a tight snare so I'd like my stroke to not depend on...
Forum: Drum Technique 03-06-2013, 09:07 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,982
Posted By T-1000
Re: Fast single stroke rolls with no fingers?

Thanks Derek.

Though don't some metal drummers use fingers? If you get a good stick height (vertical) and really snap your fingers, you can get decent power with it can't you?

I've noticed when...
Forum: Drum Technique 03-05-2013, 03:08 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,982
Posted By T-1000
Re: Fast single stroke rolls with no fingers?

Cheers for the tips, peeps.

Any more advice on how I can eliminate my natural tendency to use fingers when playing faster?
Forum: Drum Technique 03-02-2013, 03:06 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,982
Posted By T-1000
Re: Fast single stroke rolls with no fingers?

Do you have the link to the youtube of the guy (who isn't Mangini) using the shiver technique?

Or a link to a vid of Mangini using the shiver in a non-WFD context?

As far as only using the...
Forum: Drum Technique 02-28-2013, 11:15 AM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,982
Posted By T-1000
Re: Fast single stroke rolls with no fingers?

No-one knows how to practice this technique though, right?

Or how to even do it properly?

Isn't it something idiosyncratic to Mangini, and Mangini only - he is the only person in the world to...
Forum: Drum Technique 02-26-2013, 06:38 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,982
Posted By T-1000
Re: Fast single stroke rolls with no fingers?

That's right, I meant 16th notes.

Is there a well known drummer out there who claims not to use fingers when playing fast?
Forum: Drum Technique 02-26-2013, 05:18 PM
Replies: 29
Views: 1,982
Posted By T-1000
Fast single stroke rolls with no fingers?

Is there any way to do very fast single stroke rolls (250bpm) without using your fingers at all?

Usually the fingers are there to accept the rebound and push the stick back down, but if you play...
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