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Ramblerboy 11-14-2012 01:19 AM

Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
I recently bought a Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop kit with the 15 x 18 bass - Sounds kinda flat with the stock heads - any ideas on a head combo for a deeper more open sound ? Prefer soild resonant head

wildbill 11-14-2012 01:39 AM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
I've got two of those kits.
One bass drum has the stock heads, and the other has an Evans Emad batter on it. They both sound equally good to me - just different.
They do have a bit of a tuning range, but you aren't going to get a real deep sound out of an 18" bass drum.
As far as an 'open' sound with a bit of resonance, the stock heads can provide that.

Really though, I'd say before you buy any heads for it, get a riser first. Lift up the batter side a bit with the riser, so your beater is hitting more in the middle of the head, and drop the front legs to level it out and get the whole thing off the ground a bit.
I've got risers on both of those 18" bass drums.
One has this: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums...p?src=3WWRWXGP
The other has this: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/drums...-drum-platform

Get that set up first, then play with the tuning, and if you're still not happy with it, then get some different heads.

If you're still not happy with it after that, they're probably not the right drums for you - LOL.

Ramblerboy 11-14-2012 01:52 AM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
I have a riser for the bass drum - I was thinking an Emad or Powerstroke batter and smooth Emperor resonant ?

wildbill 11-14-2012 02:57 AM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramblerboy (Post 1068701)
I have a riser for the bass drum - I was thinking an Emad or Powerstroke batter and smooth Emperor resonant ?


Worth a try. Sounds like a good combination.

The kit with the Emad on it, I bought used.

Someone had switched out the stock bass batter head for the Emad, cut a 6 inch hole in the resonant head, and swapped out both stock tom heads for Evans Hydraulics.

Then he must have decided they weren't the drums he was looking for.

Depends how much money you want to sink into it. They aren't expensive drums to begin with.

The kit I bought new still has all the stock heads on, and they work good enough for what I use them for.

wildbill 11-14-2012 09:02 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
A couple more quick comments on these drums. IMO, the toms really sing with the stock coated heads, when tuned a little on the high side.
This was a surprise to me, because I thought I'd have to change the heads on them right away. Maybe it's the inch shorter depth, and the coated heads on them as compared to the standard Stage Customs - I don't know. The standard SC's sound better tuned a bit lower.

The bass drum sounds just fine to me with the stock heads too. It's got punch galore, and while you'll never get window rattling lows from it, it does what it's supposed to do just fine.

Ramblerboy: if you work with the stock heads a little and can't get what you're looking for, you could try the head changes you're considering.
If new heads still don't do it for you, there's another option besides dumping them for something else.
With the Stage Custom series, you can get individual drums. So if you find that you can only get the sound you want with a larger bass drum, you could order one separately, or try to find one used that matches what you have. Best of both worlds that way.

Piebe 11-14-2012 10:16 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wildbill (Post 1068694)
They do have a bit of a tuning range, but you aren't going to get a real deep sound out of an 18" bass drum.

You should hear my Mapex Horizon 18" which almost sounds like an 808 if i play a long tone.

wildbill 11-14-2012 10:30 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Piebe (Post 1069060)
You should hear my Mapex Horizon 18" which almost sounds like an 808 if i play a long tone.

I had a Mapex Venus Voyager with an 18" kick fitted with an Evans Hydraulic.
It had a massive amount of punch. You could feel it in your chest. And the tone was fairly low, considering.

But when I went over to my 22", the difference in pitch was immediately apparent.
The 22" had a fair amount of punch because it was cut down really shallow, but still - not as much as that 18" - ha ha.

18"s are really fun to play though.

Piebe 11-14-2012 10:34 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wildbill (Post 1069068)
I had a Mapex Venus Voyager with an 18" kick fitted with an Evans Hydraulic.

It had a massive amount of punch. You could feel it in your chest. And the tone was fairly low, considering.
But when I went over to my 22", the difference in pitch was immediately apparent.

Naturally, but i mean in comparison with other 18" kicks the Mapex has a lot of low. At least that is my experience.

wildbill 11-14-2012 10:42 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Piebe (Post 1069073)
Naturally, but i mean in comparison with other 18" kicks the Mapex has a lot of low. At least that is my experience.

I can't say.

I probably should have recorded it when I had it, to do an FFT analysis, to see what kind of fundamental it was putting out. With that Hydraulic on it, it was much more of a solid, short, thump sound. No ring, resonance, or sustain at all.

Still, like any drum - heads and tuning - heads and tuning.

Piebe 11-14-2012 10:53 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Heads and tuning absolutely + the deepness of the shell matters too. I've put the same heads on a Catalina Club Jazz which is slightly less deep than a Mapex Horizon and i could not get the same low tone out of it.

Souljacker 05-06-2013 10:28 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quick question, are these the same quality as the normal Stage Custom but in smaller sizes?

larryz 05-06-2013 10:59 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Souljacker (Post 1137315)
Quick question, are these the same quality as the normal Stage Custom but in smaller sizes?

Good question. I'd like to know too. Same number of plies? Regular size Stage Customs seem like they have more.. Both are birch I'm pretty sure. Yamaha's web page should have the answer somewhere. Yamaha's quality is good top to bottom but with moving the operations to China to save $$ time will tell.

wildbill 05-07-2013 12:44 AM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Souljacker (Post 1137315)
Quick question, are these the same quality as the normal Stage Custom but in smaller sizes?


You can compare them here:

http://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/mus...in&mode=paging

http://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/mus...om/?mode=model

Both are 6 ply. I have both kits, and besides the sizes and heads, they seem the same. Except for one thing. The Bop kit has a darker color on the natural wood than the regular kit. Might just be because they came off the line at different times, and changed the procedure or something.

Another thing that's a bit strange, is that the Canada site shows the Bop kit as discontinued, while the USA site doesn't. Maybe they're just discontinued in Canada - I don't know.

And for Ramblerboy - since your first post, I also tried an Aquarian Superkick head on the 18". It sounds real good, and might be another option for you if you still have the kit.

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Souljacker 05-07-2013 12:53 AM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larryz (Post 1137328)
Good question. I'd like to know too. Same number of plies? Regular size Stage Customs seem like they have more.. Both are birch I'm pretty sure. Yamaha's web page should have the answer somewhere. Yamaha's quality is good top to bottom but with moving the operations to China to save $$ time will tell.

Hoop Model : Triple Flange Hoop
Material : Steel
Thickness: 1.6mm
Lugs Type: Separate Lug
Shells Thickness: 6ply
Material: Birch

All these specs are the same on both models, so they would appear to be the same in quality on paper.

Souljacker 05-07-2013 01:00 AM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wildbill (Post 1137375)
You can compare them here:

http://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/mus...in&mode=paging

http://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/mus...om/?mode=model

Both are 6 ply. I have both kits, and besides the sizes and heads, they seem the same. Except for one thing. The Bop kit has a darker color on the natural wood than the regular kit. Might just be because they came off the line at different times, and changed the procedure or something.

Another thing that's a bit strange, is that the Canada site shows the Bop kit as discontinued, while the USA site doesn't. Maybe they're just discontinued in Canada - I don't know.

And for Ramblerboy - since your first post, I also tried an Aquarian Superkick head on the 18". It sounds real good, and might be another option for you if you still have the kit.

.

Thanks for your post. I had to go to the UK website to find the specs for the Bebop kit. Couldn't find it on the USA site.

wildbill 05-07-2013 01:10 AM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Souljacker (Post 1137380)
Thanks for your post. I had to go to the UK website to find the specs for the Bebop kit. Couldn't find it on the USA site.


Now that you mention it, someone had to direct me to it on the USA site - it's not listed. But it's in a pdf download. The USA site is not always up to snuff.

rstix 05-07-2013 04:44 AM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
I own this same kit as well and I'm finally starting to love how it is sounding.

The birch shells were great for jazz but I wasn't getting enough beefy sound for fusion/ funk rock stuff. So I installed:

Bass drum: Emad clear // remo ambassador coated w/ a felt strip running down the inside of the redo side - I finally like the sound!! Great for my hip-hop/ fusion gigs. I use a remo fiberskyn FA w/ a port cut port hole for festival stuff that needs quick mic setup.

Toms: both have Evans level 360 G2 Coated// Genera clear - I simply just tune up for jazz/ brush stuff but the important thing is that they work for my heavier gigs.

I only bought the shells so I don't play on a Yamaha snare currently.
I never used a riser but I'm going to pick one up and try it out.

Important thing here is that this kit has some room to sound bigger than it is marketed for (be-bop) and is great for the versatile - gigging drummer. I contemplated trading it in for something bigger - but try some new heads before you do!! It's a beautiful kit.

johnnylaw 05-08-2013 09:03 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
I play a Tour Custom Maple in those same sizes. I left the stock resonant head on the kick, but changed the batter head to the thinner clear EMAD. Without either foam dampener, the drum sings beautifully. I can tune the response of the drum easily by trading in and out those dampeners. It's a good solution.

Souljacker 07-20-2013 10:36 AM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rstix (Post 1137446)
I own this same kit as well and I'm finally starting to love how it is sounding.

The birch shells were great for jazz but I wasn't getting enough beefy sound for fusion/ funk rock stuff. So I installed:

Bass drum: Emad clear // remo ambassador coated w/ a felt strip running down the inside of the redo side - I finally like the sound!! Great for my hip-hop/ fusion gigs. I use a remo fiberskyn FA w/ a port cut port hole for festival stuff that needs quick mic setup.

Toms: both have Evans level 360 G2 Coated// Genera clear - I simply just tune up for jazz/ brush stuff but the important thing is that they work for my heavier gigs.

I only bought the shells so I don't play on a Yamaha snare currently.
I never used a riser but I'm going to pick one up and try it out.

Important thing here is that this kit has some room to sound bigger than it is marketed for (be-bop) and is great for the versatile - gigging drummer. I contemplated trading it in for something bigger - but try some new heads before you do!! It's a beautiful kit.

Thanks for the feedback. I'll have to educate myself about drum heads, I don't know nearly enough about them.

Souljacker 07-20-2013 08:41 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Is there any kit better than this at this pricerange (I'm not seeing any) or for slightly more money?

BertTheDrummer 07-20-2013 09:08 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Souljacker (Post 1162809)
Is there any kit better than this at this pricerange (I'm not seeing any) or for slightly more money?

Not sure what they cost across the pond, but there's the Tama Silverstar series as well. Their 18" and 16" bass kits come with a bass drum lift.

Souljacker 07-20-2013 09:39 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BertTheDrummer (Post 1162815)
Not sure what they cost across the pond, but there's the Tama Silverstar series as well. Their 18" and 16" bass kits come with a bass drum lift.

Does the lift make a difference to the sound and is it necessary? There's also the Mapex Meridian jazz kit. Do you know anything about them?

BertTheDrummer 07-20-2013 09:49 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Souljacker (Post 1162823)
Does the lift make a difference to the sound and is it necessary? There's also the Mapex Meridian jazz kit. Do you know anything about them?

The lift allows the bass drum beater to hit the center of the bass drum. Personally I think it makes a big difference. Never played the Mapex kit, can't comment. Also just because the Yamaha doesn't come with a lift, doesn't mean you can't purchase one later. I just mentioned the Tama to say there are other options if your wanting an 18" Birch kit. There's also the Gretsch Catalina Club Jazz and the Sonor Bop. The Gretsch is mahogany, and I'm not sure what the Bop is made out of.

Souljacker 07-21-2013 05:55 PM

Re: Yamaha Stage Custom Bebop
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BertTheDrummer (Post 1162827)
The lift allows the bass drum beater to hit the center of the bass drum. Personally I think it makes a big difference. Never played the Mapex kit, can't comment. Also just because the Yamaha doesn't come with a lift, doesn't mean you can't purchase one later. I just mentioned the Tama to say there are other options if your wanting an 18" Birch kit. There's also the Gretsch Catalina Club Jazz and the Sonor Bop. The Gretsch is mahogany, and I'm not sure what the Bop is made out of.

Thanks for the info. The lift is available pretty cheap as an add on which is good. The Yamaha kit is birch I believe.


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