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drumming4life 09-29-2012 09:40 PM

Girl drummers
 
Was just wondering what you guys thought of all these girl drummers getting loads of views on youtube?

JasperGTR 09-29-2012 09:45 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
I'm on the fence...

On one hand, I love that there are members of the lesser gender (j/k) with the ability AND interest to play the drums as well as some do.

On the other hand - it seems weird that they play as well as, or inferior to, other male drummers, but get notoriety simply because of their gender.

It's the way the world turns.

Bo Eder 09-29-2012 09:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drumming4life (Post 1051767)
Was just wondering what you guys thought of all these girl drummers getting loads of views on youtube?

I'd advise that you just view them as "drummers". This difference in genders thing has really gotten old.

drumming4life 09-29-2012 10:02 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1051771)
I'd advise that you just view them as "drummers". This difference in genders thing has really gotten old.

Yeah i do, dont mean to offend anyone, its just that i see these girls on youtube that have around 1 million views and they can hardly play the standard 4/4 beat.

MaryO 09-29-2012 10:54 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Girl drummers? Bah, I don't believe it! Everyone knows girls can't drum! :P

bermuda 09-29-2012 11:28 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1051771)
I'd advise that you just view them as "drummers". This difference in genders thing has really gotten old.

Yep. The instant you qualify a drummer based on gender, any valid measurement of talent goes out the window. Same applies to age, IMO. "That drummer's amazing for a 5-year old!" Really? How nice for them.

A person playing the drums has talent, or they don't. Period.

Bermuda

Anon La Ply 09-29-2012 11:40 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Phooey. Never liked girl drummers. Let's take an example, say, me. I routinely use my vixenlike supermodel looks to get my million-view tracks as demonstrated in my most recent vid, which didn't only get 1 million views - it got 19!!

Read 'em and weep baby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qakvp6Ua0_I

tamadrm 09-29-2012 11:57 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JasperGTR (Post 1051770)
I'm on the fence...

On one hand, I love that there are members of the lesser gender (j/k) with the ability AND interest to play the drums as well as some do.

On the other hand - it seems weird that they play as well as, or inferior to, other male drummers, but get notoriety simply because of their gender.

It's the way the world turns.

Lesser gender?Wow....do you really believe that?I've worked with female cops that will kick your butt down the block,everyday and twice on Sundays.

I've trained female shooters,in both archery and firearms who will beat most if not all male challengers.

The truth is because of the fact that the're female,most males still think that the're superior to women.That's what they get so many hits.You just want to see what they first of all look like.The playing is usually secondary.

The're plenty of really good female drummers out there,they're just more men doing it that women,so it just seems like some of them are not as talented.

The're also more that enough male drummers on youtube who couldn't find a 4/4 if you gave them a map,and told em' where to start.

Steve B

diegobxr 09-30-2012 12:09 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tamadrm (Post 1051807)
Lesser gender?Wow....do you really believe that?I've worked with female cops that will kick your butt down the block,everyday and twice on Sundays.

Hey man... he typed (j/k)... I think that means "just kidding"... So I don't think he really believes that. You misunderstood his point.

Anyway good for you for standing out for the chicks, hehe, lol. :)

Cheers.

tamadrm 09-30-2012 12:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by diegobxr (Post 1051809)
Hey man... he typed (j/k)... I think that means "just kidding"... So I don't think he really believes that. You misunderstood his point.

Anyway good for you for standing out for the chicks, hehe, lol. :)

Cheers.

If that's the case I didn't know that (j/k) meant just kidding.I don't do a lot of texting as I prefer actual conversation weither it be on the phone or in person.

My apologies if I have offended....mea culpa.(:

Steve B

Bo Eder 09-30-2012 12:42 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drumming4life (Post 1051778)
Yeah i do, dont mean to offend anyone, its just that i see these girls on youtube that have around 1 million views and they can hardly play the standard 4/4 beat.

I'm cool. I find that we humans still have quite a ways to go when confronted with bias. It takes more time than we have. YouTube and actual drumming don't have that much in common.

GRUNTERSDAD 09-30-2012 12:47 AM

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I played with one in high school a long time ago along with female trumpet players etc, I guess I'm used to it by now.

Anon La Ply 09-30-2012 12:51 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Yep Steve, "jk" = "joke" ... pretty well equivalent to a wink but without the potentially lascivious overtones ;-) ;-)

No doubt there's novelty value in being a woman drummer - if you're young and gorgeous and play really well (Emanuelle, Meytal). It's even a novelty for me! I don't see a lot of women play either since I don't play in front of a mirror (even though over a year ago Brent suggested I do that when I practice for more effective sessions lol)

That's just how things are in this society where sex is dirty and violence is family entertainment. Let's face it, you don't see marketers trying to sell cars by draping semi naked men over them, do you? 'Tis a shame ...

wildbill 09-30-2012 01:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1051818)

.....That's just how things are in this society where sex is dirty and violence is family entertainment. Let's face it, you don't see marketers trying to sell cars by draping semi naked men over them, do you? 'Tis a shame ...




http://bit.ly/UAc0CU

Anon La Ply 09-30-2012 05:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wildbill (Post 1051831)

Haha nice try but the search is not fruitful. However, if you type car ad scantily clad women and car ad scantily clad men ...

Pocket-full-of-gold 09-30-2012 05:29 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1051771)
I'd advise that you just view them as "drummers". This difference in genders thing has really gotten old.

In an industry that actively celebrates and awards the difference in gender, what hope has anyone else got?

And the Grammy for best female vocalist goes to.......

Or how about?

The Oscar for best actress in a leading role goes to.....


As for the question at hand, I think it's perfectly valid. Sex sells. Advertisers and marketers cottoned on to this idea years ago......long before youtube. That horse bolted whem Adam was a lad, so it's no surprise to me at all that people will throw out a tag line that plays on gender in the hope of being noticed in the fog.

What do I think of it? Fine by me, I see it everywhere, everyday.....on billborads, on TV....everywhere I turn my head.
A "hot chick" playing drums is just another minute example. If they feel the need to promote gender or even the fact that they are "hot" in order to score a few views it's no skin off my nose. "Views" are one thing......if they have no talent to begin with then who's gonna stick around anyway?

No harm, no foul, for mine. At the end of the day, they've still gotta be able to cut it for me to keep watching.

Bo Eder 09-30-2012 06:22 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold (Post 1051868)
In an industry that actively celebrates and awards the difference in gender, what hope has anyone else got?

And the Grammy for best female vocalist goes to.......

Or how about?

The Oscar for best actress in a leading role goes to.....


As for the question at hand, I think it's perfectly valid. Sex sells. Advertisers and marketers cottoned on to this idea years ago......long before youtube. That horse bolted whem Adam was a lad, so it's no surprise to me at all that people will throw out a tag line that plays on gender in the hope of being noticed in the fog.

What do I think of it? Fine by me, I see it everywhere, everyday.....on billborads, on TV....everywhere I turn my head.
A "hot chick" playing drums is just another minute example. If they feel the need to promote gender or even the fact that they are "hot" in order to score a few views it's no skin off my nose. "Views" are one thing......if they have no talent to begin with then who's gonna stick around anyway?

No harm, no foul, for mine. At the end of the day, they've still gotta be able to cut it for me to keep watching.

I agree with you. But we're talking about an "auditory" experience rather than a visual one. If I put on a record and the music is good, then why should anyone care if it was a male or a female drummer? The music is good. If it's not good, then it still shouldn't matter what the gender is, right?

Pocket-full-of-gold 09-30-2012 06:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1051885)
I agree with you. But we're talking about an "auditory" experience rather than a visual one. If I put on a record and the music is good, then why should anyone care if it was a male or a female drummer? The music is good. If it's not good, then it still shouldn't matter what the gender is, right?

Totally agree, in an auditory sense "hot chick drummer" is unlikely to have as many people switching a radio dial to give it a listen on that basis alone.

However, youtube is more than putting on a record or CD. The very nature of youtube is visual (hell, we could argue the very nature of popular music in this day in age is visual. Thanks to MTV, it would appear that a band or artist is only as good as their accompanying video) :-)

But "hot chick drummer" is gonna spark a lot more interest than "drummer"......pretty much why the tactic is used in the first place.

Anon La Ply 09-30-2012 08:36 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold (Post 1051888)
The very nature of youtube is visual (hell, we could argue the very nature of popular music in this day in age is visual. Thanks to MTV, it would appear that a band or artist is only as good as their accompanying video)

You could argue that music is almost always an audio-visual experience. Generally you will see musicians and vocalists and props and dancers or recorded music with interesting cover art.

They knew a bit visuals and music back in Mozart's day ... even prehistoric times! It's not like tribal people don't dress up to dance.

larryace 09-30-2012 08:36 AM

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I wonder if the percentage of "bad" guy drummers is the same as the percentage of "bad" girl drummers, as judged by a YouTube survey.

I should make a video and name it "guy drumming", then upload the same video but instead name it it "hot guy drumming" and compare view tallies.

keep it simple 09-30-2012 08:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1051903)
I wonder if the percentage of "bad" guy drummers is the same as the percentage of "bad" girl drummers, as judged by a YouTube survey.

I should make a video and name it "guy drumming", then upload the same video but instead name it it "hot guy drumming" and compare view tallies.

I think some key phrases automatically attract views. It's not just hot chicks, but "epic fail" "worst ----" "best ----" "greatest ----", anything that offers an extreme, or titillates, is a winning phrase. Novelty, in whatever form, is always going to be more curiosity gratifying than "here's a great groove".

For those of you surprised by the bowelesque side of human nature, & if the views others get irks you, 300bpm bouble bass, wearing a mankini whilst impaled on a throne base, + throw in a sprinkling of cross gender appendages should do the trick ;)

Bo Eder 09-30-2012 09:27 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 1051904)
I think some key phrases automatically attract views. It's not just hot chicks, but "epic fail" "worst ----" "best ----" "greatest ----", anything that offers an extreme, or titillates, is a winning phrase. Novelty, in whatever form, is always going to be more curiosity gratifying than "here's a great groove".

For those of you surprised by the bowelesque side of human nature, & if the views others get irks you, 300bpm bouble bass, wearing a mankini whilst impaled on a throne base, + throw in a sprinkling of cross gender appendages should do the trick ;)

Aahhhhhh! My eyes!!!!! My eyes!!!!!!!!

Anon La Ply 09-30-2012 10:16 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
I always thought Andy was such a nice boy lol

Man, that was an exotic image ... at this rate this page is going to get more hits than any other page on DW! All we need now is for someone to start a thread about Premier drums called "vintage porn" and we'll have ticked most boxes ;-)

Hot steamy rhythmic actions performed by gorgeous semi-naked supermodel - exclusive clip!

mikel 09-30-2012 11:41 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
[quote=Anon La Ply;1051818]Yep Steve, "jk" = "joke" ... pretty well equivalent to a wink but without the potentially lascivious overtones ;-) ;-)

No doubt there's novelty value in being a woman drummer - if you're young and gorgeous and play really well (Emanuelle, Meytal). It's even a novelty for me! I don't see a lot of women play either since I don't play in front of a mirror (even though over a year ago Brent suggested I do that when I practice for more effective sessions lol)

That's just how things are in this society where sex is dirty and violence is family entertainment. Let's face it, you don't see marketers trying to sell cars by draping semi naked men over them, do you? 'Tis a shame ...[/QUOa

True, but if draping semi-naked men over cars worked you can bet your life the marketing types would use it. Sadly, using female models must sell cars or they would not waste the money.

On the "Girl Drummers" question posted. He had to mention the gender or the question would have been pointless. It would appear there are a lot of people who want to see "Girl" drummers on youtube who would not be interested if they were merely labeled "Drummer". Probably because a lot of hits are from people not interested in the rhythmic prowess of the subject. Human nature, I suppose.

keep it simple 09-30-2012 12:06 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1051910)
Aahhhhhh! My eyes!!!!! My eyes!!!!!!!!

Sorry Bo, but some warped individual had to go there ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1051912)
I always thought Andy was such a nice boy lol

Man, that was an exotic image ... at this rate this page is going to get more hits than any other page on DW! All we need now is for someone to start a thread about Premier drums called "vintage porn" and we'll have ticked most boxes ;-)

Ha, yes, but notice my "Vintage porn" thread hasn't attracted as many responses or views as this thread :)

I have been known to use that "tongue in cheek" tactic before, but any threads titled in that "style" are guaranteed not to deliver according to expectations :)

MaryO 09-30-2012 02:43 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
I find it kind of interesting that this has automatically evolved from the OP's question of "girl drummers" to many comments about "hot chick drummers". It seems it must go in that direction by nature proving our own point.

Obviously, drumming is still more of a male dominated arena and to have a girl who drums is still considered fairly unusual at this point, especially one who is really good. Therefore, due to nothing else than sheer numbers, you have more males looking up drumming videos on a site like youtube and therefore they, for the most part, are of course going to be more apt to run across and be drawn to watch these hot chick drummer vids. My guess is, if there were more female drummers out there trolling youtube in the first place, then hot male drummer vids would get their fair share of hits as well.

Anon La Ply 09-30-2012 02:48 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikel (Post 1051920)
Probably because a lot of hits are from people not interested in the rhythmic prowess of the subject. Human nature, I suppose.

Music as a vehicle rather than music just for its own sake. Utility or art? Dancing or meditation? Background or listening? Thrills 'n' spills or depth?


Quote:

Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 1051921)
Ha, yes, but notice my "Vintage porn" thread hasn't attracted as many responses or views as this thread :)

The way we're going it may become the most viewed page in Drummwerworld history.

Remember when I titled one of my postings GIRL DRUMMER!! as satire and someone came in late and chided me for it? lol


Quote:

Originally Posted by MaryO (Post 1051942)
... then hot male drummer vids would get their fair share of hits as well.

I'd recommend Benny Greb tutorials :)

keep it simple 09-30-2012 06:01 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1051946)

I'd recommend Benny Greb tutorials :)

So do I, but probably for different reasons ;)

larryace 09-30-2012 06:37 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Even if you had a vid titled "ugly chick plays drums", it would get more hits than ungendered drum vids I bet.

diegobxr 09-30-2012 06:50 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1051946)
I'd recommend Benny Greb tutorials :)

Hahahaha I see what you did there Polly!!! :P

Ok here's one for you and Mary.

He has 1781 hits.
Now, if we renamed it...

Hot guy drumming dressed as a stripper

I think he would get more views. :P

Zero Mercury Drummer 09-30-2012 06:53 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
I love seeing girl drummers, just because there are not that many of them.

The ability of a female to generate interest with her looks is offset by the additional challenges that face girl drummers. It's still a male-dominated industry. So call it a draw. Can't do anything about it anyhow, most attractive females will utilize their looks in any type of stage career. As they should.

Cindy Blackman, Hillary Jones and Terry Lynne Carrington are respected female drummers that come to mind, and not for their looks. Although they are all very attractive.

Bo Eder 09-30-2012 07:19 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diegobxr (Post 1052017)
Hahahaha I see what you did there Polly!!! :P

Ok here's one for you and Mary.

He has 1781 hits.
Now, if we renamed it...

Hot guy drumming dressed as a stripper

I think he would get more views. :P

Hahahahaha! If they showed him arriving with his pilots' sunglasses on carrying a large ghetto-blaster then I'd go with the stripper description!

MaryO 09-30-2012 09:51 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diegobxr (Post 1052017)
Hahahaha I see what you did there Polly!!! :P

Ok here's one for you and Mary.

He has 1781 hits.
Now, if we renamed it...

Hot guy drumming dressed as a stripper

I think he would get more views. :P

Were there drums in that vid? :)

garjazz 09-30-2012 11:58 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
[quote=mikel;1051920]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1051818)
Yep Steve, "jk" = "joke" ... pretty well equivalent to a wink but without the potentially lascivious overtones ;-) ;-)

No doubt there's novelty value in being a woman drummer - if you're young and gorgeous and play really well (Emanuelle, Meytal). It's even a novelty for me! I don't see a lot of women play either since I don't play in front of a mirror (even though over a year ago Brent suggested I do that when I practice for more effective sessions lol)

That's just how things are in this society where sex is dirty and violence is family entertainment. Let's face it, you don't see marketers trying to sell cars by draping semi naked men over them, do you? 'Tis a shame ...[/QUOa

True, but if draping semi-naked men over cars worked you can bet your life the marketing types would use it. Sadly, using female models must sell cars or they would not waste the money.

On the "Girl Drummers" question posted. He had to mention the gender or the question would have been pointless. It would appear there are a lot of people who want to see "Girl" drummers on youtube who would not be interested if they were merely labeled "Drummer". Probably because a lot of hits are from people not interested in the rhythmic prowess of the subject. Human nature, I suppose.

My sister has played for 40 yearsand is a beautiful women. I hate the qoute but most of the girls say she plays "like a man".She plays a double bass set of ludwigs and is a great rudimentry drummer,kicks it like a sledgehammer and has played with many goodgroups:alot of session work in Nashville. I am proud of her playing,as I play myself. I'd put her up against most other drummers of her experience. Garjazz

Anon La Ply 10-01-2012 03:57 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Haha ... Thomas has his good points (originally my typo was "god points" - Freudian?) but he's is too much of a jock for me. I'm sticking with Benny for now.


Quote:

Originally Posted by garjazz (Post 1052117)
... most of the girls say she plays "like a man".She plays a double bass set of ludwigs and is a great rudimentry drummer,kicks it like a sledgehammer and has played with many goodgroups:alot of session work in Nashville.

I hear that to make it in Nashville sessions you have to hit hard. She must be a fantastic player because I also hear it's a super competitive scene.

Lovetadraw 10-01-2012 04:04 AM

Re: Girl drummers
 
pssstt!...Meytal>Cobus...

diegobxr 10-01-2012 03:34 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MaryO (Post 1052086)
Were there drums in that vid? :)

Hahahahaha. :) Yeah Mary, feel free to watch it as many times as you need until you find those drums. :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1052165)
he's is too much of a jock for me. I'm sticking with Benny for now.

Haha, that's the spirit!! If all girls wanted arms like Lang's.. damn, most of us guys would be doomed. :)

Cheers.

SkaaDee 10-01-2012 05:40 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
I really can't understand why there aren't more notable girl drummers.
Shella E and Terri Lynn Carrigan are the only two I can think of at the moment.

The red carpet would be laid because of the novelty.

AZslim 10-01-2012 05:52 PM

Re: Girl drummers
 
Sadly, but the fact there was even the title "girl drummer" shows how backwards we are about the whole thing.

Sort of off topic, but I have wondered why there aren't more women musicians. I would think about half would be a reasonable number.

Is there still too much good 'ol boy and or harassement going on? Maybe you women out there can shed some light on this?

Anon La Ply 10-01-2012 09:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SkaaDee (Post 1052307)
I really can't understand why there aren't more notable girl drummers.
Shella E and Terri Lynn Carrigan are the only two I can think of at the moment.

The red carpet would be laid because of the novelty.

Cindy Blackman and Hilary Jones are another two. I was about to mention Meg and Karen Carpenter, but if I'm digging that far back then it just highlights the issue. Let's face it, a lot of women aren't drummers because it's popularly thought to be a masculine role.


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