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Midnite Zephyr 06-16-2012 08:11 AM

Better than the original
 
My Humps was probably one of the dumbest songs I've ever heard. I just figured these songs exist because even the mentally challenged in society want to be entertained too.

But then I heard this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRmYf...feature=colike

I like good irony. Enjoy!

Do any of you know a song that is WAY better than the original? Like perhaps All Along the Watchtower....Jimi's version vs. Bob Dylan's. I think even Bob himself would agree that the Jimi version blows his original away. Or how about the Sublime version of Hope vs. the Decendants? Not sure there, but I really like Bud Gaugh's drumming on that song.

Anon La Ply 06-16-2012 04:09 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
My Favourite Things was a cutsie song in The Sound of Music until John Coltrane's quartet gave it a makeover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odVCH7UVTOY

In rock, Bryan Ferry's cover of Bawb's A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall is a good one.

Masheanhed 06-16-2012 04:47 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
I think Deep Purple's version of "Hush" is better than any version before it.

Mad About Drums 06-16-2012 04:58 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
I've always thought that the Everly Brothers' Love Hurt best version was performed by Nazareth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gue2Yj8VPSc

DrumEatDrum 06-16-2012 07:36 PM

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When it comes to a cover being better than the original, the one that always to jumps to my mind is

Orgy - Blue Monday.

Much better than the original New Order version. Although I think my wife disagrees with me.

Masheanhed 06-16-2012 09:38 PM

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I also like Johnny Cash's version of "Hurt" better than NIN, and Roberta Flack's version of "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" better than Ewan MacColl's.

Lovetadraw 06-16-2012 10:06 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Marilyn Manson's covers of Sweet Dreams and Tainted Love.

Nirvana's cover of The Man Who Sold the World.

Lacuna Coil's cover of Losing My Religion.

Mad About Drums 06-16-2012 11:14 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lovetadraw (Post 1013127)
Lacuna Coil's cover of Losing My Religion.

Lacuna Coil's cover of Enjoy The Silence from Depeche Mode is another good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOLM...eature=related

Lovetadraw 06-16-2012 11:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad About Drums (Post 1013151)
Lacuna Coil's cover of Enjoy The Silence from Depeche Mode is another good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOLM...eature=related


I like that one too, I didn't know it was a cover! : D

DrumEatDrum 06-17-2012 12:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lovetadraw (Post 1013127)
Lacuna Coil's cover of Losing My Religion.

Really?

I can not stand that cover, and I LOVE Lacuna Coil.

I was so glad when they toured through Los Angeles last time they didn't perform any covers.

moe.ron 06-17-2012 12:15 AM

Re: Better than the original
 
i think primus' version of making plans for nigel is better than the original xtc version.

Anon La Ply 06-17-2012 02:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lovetadraw (Post 1013127)
Marilyn Manson's covers of Sweet Dreams and Tainted Love.

Nirvana's cover of The Man Who Sold the World.

Lacuna Coil's cover of Losing My Religion.

lol - I liked the originals better in every one of these.


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Originally Posted by Masheanhed (Post 1013117)
Roberta Flack's version of "First Time Ever I Saw Your Face" better than Ewan MacColl's.

For sure. Actually, I enjoy my band's version more than EM's original too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2YfdbaL_oA

Agree about Johnny Cash's cover of Hurt too. A similar approach was taken by Gary Jules's cover of Tears for Fears's Mad World for the Donny Darko Soundtrack. I don't think it's better so much as it does what all the best covers do - it captured a feeling within the song that the original didn't.

A great example of this was John Cage's cover of Elvis's Heartbreak Hotel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Bn0Kq7rls - I never realised how dark the lyrics were until hearing this version. Absolutely love it.

Masheanhed 06-17-2012 03:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1013218)
A similar approach was taken by Gary Jules's cover of Tears for Fears's Mad World for the Donny Darko Soundtrack. I don't think it's better so much as it does what all the best covers do - it captured a feeling within the song that the original didn't.

That's like "Lay Lady Lay" by Magnet. I don't like it better than Dylan's, I just like it in a different way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwDso...ure=plpp_video

MikeM 06-17-2012 04:05 AM

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I was recently listening to Les Claypool's Frog Brigade playing Pink Floyd's Animals in it's entirety live. I think I actually like it better if only for the sound quality. As a much as I love me some Floyd and for as much as they've pushed the envelope on production values, to me there's often something missing or a certain deadness in their studio sounds that makes me wish for something richer.

drstrangefunk 06-17-2012 04:10 AM

Re: Better than the original
 
Dwight Yokum - "Train In Vain".

through his version i understood the lines:

But Did You Stand By Me ? Not At All
But Did You Stand By Me ? No Way.

Midnite Zephyr 06-17-2012 08:22 AM

Re: Better than the original
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1012994)
My Favourite Things was a cutsie song in The Sound of Music until John Coltrane's quartet gave it a makeover: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odVCH7UVTOY

In rock, Bryan Ferry's cover of Bawb's A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall is a good one.

For sure, that version of My Favourite Things song is WAY better. I even have it as one of my favorites.

I have to agree with you on the Brian Ferry version of that Bawb song. I was surprised to see how many artists have covered it from Leon Russell to Jason Mraz and Edie Brickell.

Midnite Zephyr 06-17-2012 08:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeM (Post 1013230)
I was recently listening to Les Claypool's Frog Brigade playing Pink Floyd's Animals in it's entirety live. I think I actually like it better if only for the sound quality. As a much as I love me some Floyd and for as much as they've pushed the envelope on production values, to me there's often something missing or a certain deadness in their studio sounds that makes me wish for something richer.

No kidding, huh? I'm gonna have to check that one out tomorrow. Sounds interesting.

As well as all the other replies. Sounds like some really cool stuff so far.

larryace 06-17-2012 07:20 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Mariah's "I'll be there" gives MJ a run for the money.

Bad Tempered Clavier 06-17-2012 08:00 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
With the greatest respect for Ms Garland, Eva Cassidy's version of Over the Rainbow is blindingly good.

jon e rotten 06-18-2012 09:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Tempered Clavier (Post 1013426)
With the greatest respect for Ms Garland, Eva Cassidy's version of Over the Rainbow is blindingly good.

Totally agree with this. I was very slow in discovering Eva, but totally blown away when I did. Not a big fan of her studio work, but the live recordings are fantastic.

Fuo 06-18-2012 09:45 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
I like Tool's "No Quarter" more than Zeppelin's. Flame away. I know I deserve it ;)

Speaking of "All Along the Watchtower," I probably like DMB's version more than Dylan's or Hendrix's. But maybe that's because it is always live or a live recording, versus dylan/hendrix being studio recordings.

BacteriumFendYoke 06-18-2012 10:25 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeM (Post 1013230)
I was recently listening to Les Claypool's Frog Brigade playing Pink Floyd's Animals in it's entirety live. I think I actually like it better if only for the sound quality. As a much as I love me some Floyd and for as much as they've pushed the envelope on production values, to me there's often something missing or a certain deadness in their studio sounds that makes me wish for something richer.

I'm not going to actively disagree with you because I haven't heard Les Claypool's version. With that said, I think the 'deadness' you describe is an active aesthetic choice with 'Animals'. It is a very dark album and intentionally alienating to some degree and I think that is emphasised by the production style. They also produced it at Britannia Row (their own studio) that had a lot less gear than they had beforehand so I think that stripped back approach was two-fold and entirely intentional.

'Wish You Were Here' certainly is a richly produced album. They were just making a break for the hills with 'Animals'.

larryz 06-18-2012 11:50 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Well, most of the covers the Beatles did in the early period 1962-64 were better than the originals. Which says a ton about their muscianship, et al.

Twist and Shout
Please Mr. Postman
Money (awesome Lennon vocal!)
Roll Over Beethoven
Shout
Til There Was You
Chains

Many more.

larryace 06-19-2012 12:01 AM

Re: Better than the original
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larryz (Post 1013884)
Well, most of the covers the Beatles did in the early period 1962-64 were better than the originals. Which says a ton about their muscianship, et al.

Twist and Shout
Please Mr. Postman
Money (awesome Lennon vocal!)
Roll Over Beethoven
Shout
Til There Was You
Chains

Many more.

Jackpot!

............................

con struct 06-19-2012 12:31 AM

Re: Better than the original
 
Otis Redding's cover of "Satisfaction" was much better than the original.

The Ramone's cover of "Time Has Come Today" was better than the original.

The Dead Kennedy's version of "Viva Las Vegas" was better than the original.

Just about anything Miles Davis covered was better than the original.

There are many examples.

dwsabianguy 06-19-2012 07:05 AM

Re: Better than the original
 
The only one that comes to mind, and I'll probably get flak for it, is Dream Theater's cover of Deep Purple's Perfect Strangers. Done with a 7-string guitar, a bit faster, and there's loads more energy.

keep it simple 06-19-2012 12:02 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Huge live sound, huge soul, epic stadiumesqueness, great BV's, brutally over performed = Andy loves it :) :) :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykM3tTV6BpE

If you've got good phones, just listen to what the bass's doing - yummy detuned goodness!

Dre25 06-19-2012 03:25 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Faith no more's rendition of easy

And I don't like disturbed but their cover of Land of confusion is pretty cool. I might cop some hate for that. Oops!

Anon La Ply 06-19-2012 03:50 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 1014061)
Huge live sound, huge soul, epic stadiumesqueness, great BV's, brutally over performed = Andy loves it :) :) :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykM3tTV6BpE

I didn't know they covered that tune. Great playing as usual but IMO covering Joe Cocker is like covering Freddie Mercury - no one has that particular magic.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dre25 (Post 1014098)
Faith no more's rendition of easy

Always glad when that one comes up on the radio.

Bad Tempered Clavier 06-19-2012 03:55 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnite Zephyr (Post 1012924)
All Along the Watchtower....Jimi's version vs. Bob Dylan's. I think even Bob himself would agree that the Jimi version blows his original away

Not an opinion shared by Noel Redding, apparently: though this may have been because he didn't play on the version on Electric Ladyland.

Something else I just thought of . . . the Metallica songs Orion and One were recorded by Rodrigo y Gabriela. Dunno about "better" than the original versions as their arrangements were very different animals, but very very good nonetheless.

keep it simple 06-19-2012 05:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1014107)
I didn't know they covered that tune. Great playing as usual but IMO covering Joe Cocker is like covering Freddie Mercury - no one has that particular magic.

I know what you mean, but I don't think the unique individuality of the original overshadows the merits of the cover. That said, judged against the thread criteria, it may be a fail.

Here's another example. The same boys performing a much covered song, yet in this they bring a very different vibe to the party. I especially like the motion of the sprinkled percussion groove treatment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt94nXinWqs

Of course, Lukather's just the right guy to have on your team for a number like this :) Again, the bass guitar work is inspirational IMO.

jon e rotten 06-19-2012 06:13 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larryz (Post 1013884)
Well, most of the covers the Beatles did in the early period 1962-64 were better than the originals. Which says a ton about their muscianship, et al.

Twist and Shout
Please Mr. Postman
Money (awesome Lennon vocal!)
Roll Over Beethoven
Shout
Til There Was You
Chains

Many more.

Don't want to start world war 4 or 5 or whatever, but I much prefer the originals of all of these except for 'Til There Was You' and 'Chains', I especially prefer the vocals from the Isley Brothers. I do think the Beatles really nail 'Mr. Postman', but I'm not sure it's an improvement over the original.

bermuda 06-19-2012 06:39 PM

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Nilsson "Without You" (Badfinger wrote and recorded the original a few years prior)

Turtles "It Ain't Me Babe" (Dylan's song from a few years prior)

UB40 "Red Red Wine" (Neil Diamond, apparently he breaks into their reggae version in concert!)

Monkees "I'm A Believer" (Neil Diamond)

Urge Overkill "Girl You'll Be A Woman Soon" (Neil Diamond... hmm, I see a pattern here)

Bermuda

drstrangefunk 06-19-2012 06:45 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
yes. better than the original is a bit of a testy term, but i think i understand the gist and will play along.

Tanya Tucker's "Not Fade Away" blows away any other version i've heard. as does
Smith's - "Baby It's You", Helen Reddy's versions of lots of covers that she has done, including "I Don't Know How To Love Him". i prefer the pop single version of "Pinball Wizard" (can't remember the group). just about every cover Polly's groups have done (Cold Turkey, The Thrill Is Gone, I Put A Spell On You, The Kinks' One [Lazy Sunday - whatever the title is]. Cold Turkey is just pure awesomeness, and should be included on some movie soundtrack.. Anne Murray's "Just One Look" and "Daydream Believer".

James Taylor's "Handyman" is very special. ironically lacking the braggadacio and bravado'd delivery of the original, the contrast of the mellow arrangement and heartfelt delivery almost make one forget what he's actually talking about. Leah Kunkle (sister of Cass Elliott and ex-wife of Russ)'s backing vocal is wonderful. marvellous track.

keep it simple 06-19-2012 06:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bermuda (Post 1014176)
UB40 "Red Red Wine" (Neil Diamond, apparently he breaks into their reggae version in concert!)

Monkees "I'm A Believer" (Neil Diamond)

Urge Overkill "Girl You'll Be A Woman Soon" (Neil Diamond... hmm, I see a pattern here)

Bermuda

I guess that's you off the list for the next ND tour then ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bermuda (Post 1014176)

Turtles "It Ain't Me Babe" (Dylan's song from a few years prior)
Bermuda

Let's face it, any cover of a Dylan song is an improvement ;)

BacteriumFendYoke 06-19-2012 06:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Keep It Simple
Let's face it, any cover of a Dylan song is an improvement ;)

Careful Andy, careful! I have a particular affection for Dylan and actually think his original version of 'All Along the Watchtower' is better than the overwrought Hendrix version. Anything from 'Blood on the Tracks' would be impossible to improve upon.

drstrangefunk 06-19-2012 06:52 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 1014186)

Let's face it, any cover of a Dylan song is an improvement ;)

yes.

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larryz 06-19-2012 07:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by drstrangefunk (Post 1014191)
yes.

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For the most part, but Dylan's own versions of the following are probably best (though I can't say I've heard many/any covers of them..)

The Times Are a Changin'

Rainy Day Women 12 & 65 (or whatever #s)

the video of the song with the person and the flashcards w/lyrics on them..whatever song that was (yeah my Dylan knowledge is bad)

Mad About Drums 06-19-2012 07:19 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 1014061)
Huge live sound, huge soul, epic stadiumesqueness, great BV's, brutally over performed = Andy loves it :) :) :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykM3tTV6BpE

If you've got good phones, just listen to what the bass's doing - yummy detuned goodness!

Agreed, awesome cover, one of my fav song on the live album :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1014107)
I didn't know they covered that tune. Great playing as usual but IMO covering Joe Cocker is like covering Freddie Mercury - no one has that particular magic.

Agreed again, but the "original" is by an obscur bloke called Ringo Starr, which of course, I like the version, but it's easier to cover Ringo than Joe or Freddy :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 1014140)
Here's another example. The same boys performing a much covered song, yet in this they bring a very different vibe to the party. I especially like the motion of the sprinkled percussion groove treatment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt94nXinWqs

Of course, Lukather's just the right guy to have on your team for a number like this :) Again, the bass guitar work is inspirational IMO.

Equally good, hey, the Beatles influenced everybody, except DMC, of course :)

I like this one they did from good old Stevie, not better as such, but different, I like both versions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOFR9g_YHPg

MikeM 06-19-2012 07:29 PM

Re: Better than the original
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BacteriumFendYoke (Post 1013861)
I'm not going to actively disagree with you because I haven't heard Les Claypool's version. With that said, I think the 'deadness' you describe is an active aesthetic choice with 'Animals'. It is a very dark album and intentionally alienating to some degree and I think that is emphasised by the production style. They also produced it at Britannia Row (their own studio) that had a lot less gear than they had beforehand so I think that stripped back approach was two-fold and entirely intentional.

'Wish You Were Here' certainly is a richly produced album. They were just making a break for the hills with 'Animals'.

Good points. Generally what gets me down about most Pink Floyd productions is the snare sound. Shallow of me, I know, but I just can't seem to like Nick Mason's taste in snare tuning. So when I heard Les' drummer cracking away on a nicely tuned, wide open Black Beauty, I was like, "That's it!" But there's also something about the ambiance of the live recording that appeals to me as well.


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