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ChaosDecides 03-04-2012 04:37 AM

Bass guitar in heavy music
 
Is it me or is the bass guitar treated as the red headed step child in heavy music? Unless I'm listening through a quality sound system, I have a hard time picking out the bass guitar. It might just be the result of a lousy final production, or it's just so distorted it comes across as a third guitar, but when I can actually hear it I find the extra dimension it adds to be very worthwhile.

DrumEatDrum 03-04-2012 05:37 AM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
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Originally Posted by ChaosDecides (Post 969533)
it's just so distorted it comes across as a third guitar, .

This.

And in modern heavy music, guitar players tune so far down, the guitar and the bass start sharing the same sonic territory.

ChaosDecides 03-04-2012 07:32 AM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
Makes sense. Not really a big fan of the ultra low-tuned guitars, since most of it sounds like mud when you get playing fast enough, at least in most cases. I guess the whole idea of each instrument taking up it's own space is lost when all you care about is "brutal" tone.

Pollyanna 03-04-2012 08:30 AM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
First time I heard bass notes sounding like distorted guitar was Lemmy in Hawkwind, and later in Motothead. Also John Wetton in Crimson.

I prefer it if the instruments each have their own sonic space too unless you're going for a blend of two or more instruments or a total band wall of sound.

ChaosDecides 03-04-2012 10:28 AM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
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Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 969588)
First time I heard bass notes sounding like distorted guitar was Lemmy in Hawkwind, and later in Motothead. Also John Wetton in Crimson.

I prefer it if the instruments each have their own sonic space too unless you're going for a blend of two or more instruments or a total band wall of sound.

Yeah some bands might need a more distorted bass sound if they only have one guitar player and want to have a more guitar sounding backing rhythm when the guitar player is playing a solo.

Pollyanna 03-04-2012 11:01 AM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
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Originally Posted by ChaosDecides (Post 969620)
Yeah some bands might need a more distorted bass sound if they only have one guitar player and want to have a more guitar sounding backing rhythm when the guitar player is playing a solo.

That makes sense, though one of the fun things about playing three piece is filling in during the solos.

King Crimson's Asbury Park is an early example - just guitar, bass and drums. It's an insanely good jam: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMYCQa5keaI

Mad About Drums 03-04-2012 12:04 PM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 969588)
First time I heard bass notes sounding like distorted guitar was Lemmy in Hawkwind...

I loved this one back then: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfniG-AdSC4

Bad Tempered Clavier 03-04-2012 12:56 PM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
Rex Brown is my favourite example of a heavy bass player whose bass lines nicely rumble through the mix - especially on an album like Far Beyond Driven. I never saw Pantera live, but those latter-period heavier records [Cowboys from Hell onwards] have a lot of bottom-end from the bass and drums. Hard to say how much of that was Terry Date and how much was the band, but the results are pretty meaty.

paul_c 03-04-2012 01:18 PM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
I dislike the distorted bass guitar sound, even in the heavy metal genre. Steve Harris didn't distort his bass in Iron Maiden and a lot of my early years playing bass were spent playing this kind of stuff.

alparrott 03-04-2012 03:27 PM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
A lot of it depends on the band - and the bassist. When Cliff was in Metallica, he cut through nicely and had his own slice of the sonic pie. In comes Jason Newsted, the guys put his bass way low in the mix on his first record to screw with him. I would have walked if I were him, but you know.

Plenty of music out there where the bassist is doing just fine, and doing it without having to distort to far. I do agree, the tuned-down guitars make it hard to hear the bass, but so too does the fact that the guitars and bass are playing most things in unison.

BassDriver 03-06-2012 07:35 AM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
Quote:

Is it me or is the bass guitar treated as the red headed step child in heavy music? Unless I'm listening through a quality sound system, I have a hard time picking out the bass guitar. It might just be the result of a lousy final production, or it's just so distorted it comes across as a third guitar, but when I can actually hear it I find the extra dimension it adds to be very worthwhile.
Listen to a song, cut out the bass and you will hear the difference.

It is not necessary to use huge amounts of distortion to sound brutal. Paul D'Amour (formerly with Tool) did not have to use a distorted tone but instead played aggressively on a down-tuned bass with a strongly picked sound.

Bass guitar in "heavy music" is quite key to contributing to a "bigger", "chunkier" sound...but guitar players can also hang a little around in that domain using low tunings like drop D - or, even drop C.

Daron Malakian of System of a Down even used baritone guitars live and on some records.

eddiehimself 03-06-2012 02:21 PM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
I've got to disagree really. As someone who plays the bass and makes recordings, I think a small amount of crunch on the top end of the bass in a heavy music setting can really add to the sound. Because you've got the guitars mixed wide and the bass in the centre, it still allows you to have them in their own seperate spaces. You can also mix the distortion in different ways. Normally you would expect to cut the 1-2 kHz range of a guitar slightly, and add this in to the bass distortion sound. Of course too much distortion will just leave it sounding vague.

marko138 03-06-2012 04:00 PM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
Our bass player does a great job of separating himself from the guitar. They tune low. Drop A. Our EP is mixed pretty bass heavy and you can hear everything very well.

Thecowslayer 03-06-2012 08:03 PM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
I think Maximum the Hormone does a really good job of making their bass sound unique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-o0ktYbNgU ((Sorry, it's the only video I could find of the song that wasn't a cover))

Ground Pounder 03-06-2012 11:58 PM

Re: Bass guitar in heavy music
 
It's all in the way the band operates, sonically.

Take my good friends here - Don (their bass player) is very prevalent, and his tone is filling, with just a touch of grit. Their engineer did a good job fitting him in the mix in a very, very guitar heavy band.

But live, it's a mixed bag. A good soundman will usually give your an honest representation of what you sound like, but you always find folks who bury you behind everything else.

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