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triumvirate 03-02-2012 09:56 AM

100 greatest drummers
 
http://digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_drummers.html
Did you know who are the 100 greatest drummers?

Netz Ausg 03-02-2012 10:16 AM

Re: 100 greatest drummers
 
How subjective can this be? Jason Rullo is lower than Taylor Hawkins? Kenny Aronoff is #141?

Lame!

Pollyanna 03-02-2012 11:21 AM

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I've seen this list many times. It's a popularity contest. The order is nonsense, but to me that's not the point..

It's just a great big list of great drummers to check out.

Netz Ausg 03-02-2012 11:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 968721)
I've seen this list many times. It's a popularity contest. The order is nonsense, but to me that's not the point..

It's just a great big list of great drummers to check out.

That's a very good way to look at it - point taken.

Pollyanna 03-02-2012 11:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Netz Ausg (Post 968724)
That's a very good way to look at it - point taken.

Taking those things seriously is the road to MADNESS!

:)

I like those Digital Dreamdoor lists. I've looked at heaps of them - jazzers, singers, guitarists, bassists, keys etc etc ... I've found lots of goodies there, though I especially like YouTube recommendations to find new music.

Pocket-full-of-gold 03-02-2012 12:11 PM

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Thank god Sticks has been gagged. Peart at number 1......man, I couldn't stand to hear the grandstanding.......he'd be skiting til our ears bleed.

Netz Ausg 03-02-2012 12:12 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold (Post 968735)
Thank god Sticks has been gagged. Peart at number 1......man, I couldn't stand to hear the grandstanding.......he'd be skiting til our ears bleed.

Who do you think..... MADE THIS LIST! O.O

Pocket-full-of-gold 03-02-2012 12:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Netz Ausg (Post 968736)
Who do you think..... MADE THIS LIST! O.O

I hear ya. Although it'd damn near kill him to have to place Bonham at number two. :-)

Pollyanna 03-02-2012 12:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold (Post 968737)
I hear ya. Although it'd damn near kill him to have to place Bonham at number two. :-)

Damned if I can rank them - this one had more influence, that one sold more records, this one has more groove, that one more feel, this one is more of master of the instrument, that one's more flashy and dynamic, this one more musical, that one more versatile, this one more creative, that one has such a great sound, etc etc etc

Not so easy to judge things from the top of the hill when you're at the bottom either ... not that that stops people from pretending they can ...

Mad About Drums 03-02-2012 12:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 968752)
Not so easy to judge things from the top of the hill when you're at the bottom either ... not that that stops people from pretending they can ...

I agree ... and most of the drummers on that list (and the one who are not on it) wouldn't give a monkey about the "ranking", it's not a formula one racing contest :)

Pollyanna 03-02-2012 01:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad About Drums (Post 968754)
I agree ... and most of the drummers on that list (and the one who are not on it) wouldn't give a monkey about the "ranking", it's not a formula one racing contest :)

They may not have a monkey to give - not everyone does :)

Thing is, for example ... most of us probably love Bonzo's playing. But he no doubt had tons of ideas we know nothing about - at least I don't. Only last year I found out that he based has famous intro to Rock and Roll on Johnny B Goode - it's just the guitar riff on drums. There's a lot we "down here" don't know.

Whatever, anyone who routinely performs to thousands of people has my admiration and awe, and everyone that list has done it. That includes Neil, Travis, Joey and Meg (who's rightly excluded, but she still played major gigs and had people walking away happy).

Pocket-full-of-gold 03-02-2012 01:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 968757)
Only last year I found out that he based has famous intro to Rock and Roll on Johnny B Goode - it's just the guitar riff on drums.

Keep A Knockin' by Little Richard.

As for the monkey. Wacko Jacko doesn't need his anymore, so there's at least one spare floating around.

And yes Pol......even Meg!! :-)

Mad About Drums 03-02-2012 01:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 968757)
Thing is, for example ... most of us probably love Bonzo's playing. But he no doubt had tons of ideas we know nothing about - at least I don't. Only last year I found out that he based has famous intro to Rock and Roll on Johnny B Goode - it's just the guitar riff on drums. There's a lot we "down here" don't know.

Interesting, I didn't know that :)

What's more, some of these drummers listed have also influenced each others as well as influencing thousands of non-pro drummers. :)

Arky 03-02-2012 01:23 PM

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I suggest compiling a 500 list. Then chances will be higher that the 100 "greatest" drummers are actually among them, haha. With "greatest" being highly subjective anyway.

I don't need to look that list up, I'm not among those and will never be ;-)

Pollyanna 03-02-2012 02:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold (Post 968765)
Keep A Knockin' by Little Richard.

As for the monkey. Wacko Jacko doesn't need his anymore, so there's at least one spare floating around.

And yes Pol......even Meg!! :-)

Yeah yeah Little Richard ... I have a bad brain. Ta for correcting.

Jacko's been gone a while so Bubbles is surely settled into another home. One can only hope and pray.

It's silly but Meg fascinates me. On one level she can barely play but, ungainly as she looks, she somehow kept hitting those big backbeats on the button - and with that fab Bonhamesque tone.

I keep wondering how that works. I mean, most drummers shead their heads off and do diddly while a totally fundamental player immediately hits the jackpot. The pat answer is "it's not what you know but ..."

But there's more to it IMO. How about with Mo from Velvet Underground? I mean, I get The Shaggs, so bad it's good (to some haha) ... but with the others they were playing with great musicians who cleverly used their basic pulses to advantage. All they had to do is keep it steady. Obviously they wouldn't make Arky's Top 500 :)

Hope this isn't boring ... I find it interesting.

tamadrm 03-02-2012 07:20 PM

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No Michael Schrieve,and no Richie Hayward?Bogus

Steve B

DrumEatDrum 03-02-2012 08:21 PM

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What baffles me is there is no criteria used.

Some are clearly higher on the list for technical ability, while others are ranked for importance in rock-n-roll history, and while others are for a combination of the two.

I mean, they have Mick Feetwood at 76. From a technical point of view, he's not even in the top 1000. From his impact on music as band leader, he's top 10.

But like Polly said, It's just a great big list of great drummers to check out.

DrumEatDrum 03-02-2012 08:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tamadrm (Post 968884)
No Michael Schrieve,and no Richie Hayward?Bogus

Steve B

Check again. Mike Shrieve is #25.

unfunkyfooted 03-03-2012 06:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad About Drums (Post 968766)
Interesting, I didn't know that :)

What's more, some of these drummers listed have also influenced each others as well as influencing thousands of non-pro drummers. :)

three generations of that intro:

Little Richard - Keep A Knockin' (1957)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYr7I4gOSXk

Led Zeppelin - Rock And Roll (1971)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GonQSHxzb1k

The Runaways - Is It Day Or Night (1976)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZsCytbBCms

unfunkyfooted 03-03-2012 06:46 PM

Re: 100 greatest drummers
 
any list that doesn't include Polly is an obvious sham.

she should be #22 on this list.

mxo721 03-03-2012 07:03 PM

Re: 100 greatest drummers
 
I looked at it twice, and I don't see Nigel Olsson on there, man, I was listening to old Elton John songs last night, and I just love fills Nigel did on the slower songs in particular, like " someone saved my life tonight" am I wrong ? plus he played Premier drums. !

GRUNTERSDAD 03-03-2012 07:14 PM

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Criteria: - Drummers are ranked for their influence, innovation, originality, and technical ability. ( * = passed on )

Mad About Drums 03-03-2012 07:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by unfunkyfooted (Post 969352)
any list that doesn't include Polly is an obvious sham.

she should be #22 on this list.

Totally agree, on that list #22 is taken by Steve Smith... ppffft, everyone knows too well that Polly's a much more all rounded and versatile drummer than he is, have a look at this clip for example, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzveeuFz1_o were Steve is trying to play some John Bonham (#2 on the list) grooves, he even get a go at that Keep A Knockin' intro @ 3:00, the whole clip is below Polly's standard, that list is a complete sham :((

SergiuM 03-03-2012 07:22 PM

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You KNOW something's wrong when Travis Barker makes it to the list!

unfunkyfooted 03-03-2012 07:39 PM

Re: 100 greatest drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mxo721 (Post 969361)
I looked at it twice, and I don't see Nigel Olsson on there, man, I was listening to old Elton John songs last night, and I just love fills Nigel did on the slower songs in particular, like " someone saved my life tonight" am I wrong ? plus he played Premier drums. !

i dig Nigel. he and Simon Kirke seemed to Zig when others would Zag. not better or worse, just different.

Lunar Satellite Brian 03-03-2012 07:43 PM

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I disagree with the order a little, but I agree with most of the drummers in there(But Lars Ulrich? above Gavin Harrison bwahahaha) but I'm glad to see Pat Mastelloto make it in there, I didn't expect him to since he's in the most under-appreciated line up of King Crimson there is. But he definitely deserved it(My old username use to be Pat Mastelloto, interesting fact of the day), Danny Walker should have been in there too! But that's excusable since Intronauts a pretty small band.

mikel 03-03-2012 08:42 PM

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Much better to call it "100 most popular drummers" cos that is what it is.

Best at any art form is impossible to quantify, Its subjective.

It would be possible to have a fastest drummer, or a loudest, or a longest solo, as they are measurable. But....meaningless, as who cares? Oh sorry, forgot about Youtube.

Lunar Satellite Brian 03-04-2012 05:37 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikel (Post 969400)
Much better to call it "100 most popular drummers" cos that is what it is.

Question:Have you ever heard of Van Romaine?(I saw him live, I just realized he was on there) or Pat Mastelloto?
John Weathers from Gentle Giant made it above Travis Barker, and he's most definitely not more popular.

If you guys are mad that some of your favorite drummers from semi-obscure bands didn't make it you shouldn't be, they still have to be popular enough for people to at least be somewhat familiar with who they are/what kind of music they play.
As I said, two of my favorite drummers, Danny Walker from Intronaut, and that guy from Canvas Solaris didn't make it, but that's okay, because they've probably never heard of them......

Lunar Satellite Brian 03-04-2012 05:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrumEatDrum (Post 968908)
What baffles me is there is no criteria used.

Some are clearly higher on the list for technical ability, while others are ranked for importance in rock-n-roll history, and while others are for a combination of the two.

I mean, they have Mick Feetwood at 76. From a technical point of view, he's not even in the top 1000. From his impact on music as band leader, he's top 10.

But like Polly said, It's just a great big list of great drummers to check out.

exactly, the order here has really no good meaning to it, but........
"Thank god Sticks has been gagged. Peart at number 1......man, I couldn't stand to hear the grandstanding.......he'd be skiting til our ears bleed."

YES, at least they got one drummer right, BECAUSE NEIL PEART IS THE BEST DRUMMER EVER, AHAHA, I TOLD YOU GUYS HE'S THE BEST, MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

Pollyanna 03-04-2012 06:11 AM

Re: 100 greatest drummers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by unfunkyfooted (Post 969352)
any list that doesn't include Polly is an obvious sham.

she should be #22 on this list.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad About Drums (Post 969367)
Totally agree, on that list #22 is taken by Steve Smith... ppffft, everyone knows too well that Polly's a much more all rounded and versatile drummer than he is

Talk about taking the p1ss - LOL!

Apart from Nigel O, some other top players not included:

Prairie Prince from The Tubes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RCxy1LLL6c

Chris Cutler from Henry Cow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwoJ3-_wZOI

Cindy Blackman from Lenny Kravitz Band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJzkFsUcMdY

Roger Wilcox from Todd Rundgren's Utopia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCnpKgY6u4E

Pierre van der Linden from Focus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ouPGGLI6Q

Kevin Godley from 10CC and Godley and Creme http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn0dgCeAONs

Joe Vitale from Joe Walsh Band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0_KBe8z0h0

Rob Hirst from Midnight Oil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO7n2m8O_og

Midnite Zephyr 03-04-2012 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 969564)
Pierre van der Linden from Focus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4ouPGGLI6Q
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Yeah, I just watched that one before I read your post. Now I know where Kettles gets his avatar. That is a badass song.

I'd say the definitive list is right on the front page of Drummerworld.

ChaosDecides 03-04-2012 07:36 AM

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Lists like these are pointless. Popularity doesn't mean the drummer is that great. Lars Ulrich is in the highest selling Metal band of all time and he is a total noob on the drums, yet his popularity is high amongst the ignorant.

Pollyanna 03-04-2012 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaosDecides (Post 969578)
Lists like these are pointless. Popularity doesn't mean the drummer is that great. Lars Ulrich is in the highest selling Metal band of all time and he is a total noob on the drums, yet his popularity is high amongst the ignorant.

CD, bear in mind that most people don't know much about music, and they form the bulk of of most audiences ... so their opinion does matter in all but the most uncompromising musical situations (which, admittedly, can be pretty cool).

Whatever, that site uses influence as one of its criteria and Lars has influenced millions. Actually, I don't think he's a total noob at all - not as good a player as many in that list, but he certainly can play, especially early on where I think he does some damn good drumming. No bias here cos I don't care for his music.

I also disagree that the lists are pointless - it's good to have lists like that so you can fill gaps ... checking out good players we've not heard of.

Aside from those small points, I agree with you :)

Pollyanna 03-04-2012 01:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnite Zephyr (Post 969568)
I'd say the definitive list is right on the front page of Drummerworld.

And they still miss out on Prairie Prince. Listen to the guy

Overture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhV2v5QbeI

Madam I'm Adam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ortsd4wIOTI

White Punks on Dope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8nGNbk7oQ

Mondo Bondage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTiaVT_BViY

He must have run over someone's cat or something because he seems to miss a lot of Best Of lists.

Mad About Drums 03-04-2012 02:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 969564)
Cindy Blackman from Lenny Kravitz Band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJzkFsUcMdY

100% agree, Cindy's a big influence for me these last 10 years, I just love her energy.. and these single stroke rolls!!! ... she's definitely deserve a place within that list :)

I love this clip of her: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gpzN...ure=plpp_video

Midnite Zephyr 03-04-2012 05:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 969662)
And they still miss out on Prairie Prince. Listen to the guy

Overture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhV2v5QbeI

Madam I'm Adam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ortsd4wIOTI

White Punks on Dope http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP8nGNbk7oQ

Mondo Bondage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTiaVT_BViY

He must have run over someone's cat or something because he seems to miss a lot of Best Of lists.

Oh yeah, this is good stuff. I saw The Tubes once at CalExpo (Ca State Fair) when I was really young. They are most known for their popular songs, she's a beauty and talk to ya later. I didn't know the drummer's name is Prairie Prince. He's pretty damn good. I'm enjoying these songs.

Speaking of bands from the Bay Area, here's a good drummer by the name of Mike Bordin. He co-founded Faith No More. The band has a cool history with Metallica. Bordin played in a band with Cliff Burton before Burton was in Metallica and now Trujillo, Metallica's current bassist is the olde bassist from Faith No More.

He's actually a lefty playing on a right handed kit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX6HhvGaw98

stayfrosty 01-15-2013 06:15 PM

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Is there really THE greatest or THE best drummer out there? There are SO many great drummers from different backgrounds. I used to think that rock and heavy metal was where all the great ones reside, but I was totally wrong. To me, it's like music itself, whoever moves you, then they are the best!

Dr_Watso 01-15-2013 06:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold (Post 968735)
Thank god Sticks has been gagged. Peart at number 1......man, I couldn't stand to hear the grandstanding.......he'd be skiting til our ears bleed.

Oh geez. First place? Really? Out of all the amazing drummers out there, this dolt takes first place? He's a good drummer, but I really don't need to see the rest of the list if he's ranked number one. I'll really only look at a list if Travis Barker is placed first and all is right with the world.

I don't know what's worse, Canadians, or Australians. Yes, Aussies are criminals, but some of the things Canadians are into should be against the law(Like the singing in Rush). I should make a list so it will be official which geographical areas are most easy to poke fun at.

larryz 01-15-2013 07:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Watso (Post 1098896)
Oh geez. First place? Really? Out of all the amazing drummers out there, this dolt takes first place? He's a good drummer, but I really don't need to see the rest of the list if he's ranked number one. I'll really only look at a list if Travis Barker is placed first and all is right with the world.

I don't know what's worse, Canadians, or Australians. Yes, Aussies are criminals, but some of the things Canadians are into should be against the law(Like the singing in Rush). I should make a list so it will be official which geographical areas are most easy to poke fun at.

Haha. Let' get things really riled up here and see if we can somehow, some way get Sticks in on this conversation. Just kidding. He's out there somewhere I'm sure...

This should be called a List of 100 Great Drummers. Peart #1 no way. But nice to see Carl Palmer #4. Now THAT's a great one. Could be my favorite of all time. Nice also to see Phil Ehart at #53 and still remembered. He plays live 100 shows a year with Kansas stil. Have been with 20 ft of him a few times over the last few years. Awesome.

How is Hal Blaine any better than Jim Keltner? And Aronoff a session player is an insult. John Mellencamp would not be where he is without Kenny.

MisterZero 01-15-2013 07:10 PM

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Kenny Aronoff is a top 5 guy, IMO. Also, just my .02, but Keith Moon is one of the worst drummers I have ever heard...


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