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Ian Williams 07-15-2011 05:07 PM

Grace or Disgrace?
 
This time is Charlie Gilmour - adopted son of Pink Floyd's David Gilmour.

Details:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-rampage.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-rampage.html


Anarchy or Revolution In The U.K.....

mediocrefunkybeat 07-15-2011 06:13 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Well, I know the story even if the link is from the Daily Mail (a laughing-stock, right-wing UK rage that hasn't been closed down in the last week).

I supported the student protests and I even supported giving the Royals a hard time; (I'm a Republican) so the idea of Charlie Gilmour jumping a Royal Protection car is hilarious but he was genuinely acting like an idiot an deserves whatever punishment he might get.

You break the law, you take the punishment. I'm glad that he apologised for his actions on The Cenotaph. There are few things that are sacred, but The Cenotaph is one of them.

Ian Williams 07-15-2011 07:21 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
I fully agree regarding "sacred" and shall be kept that way: Flag, Coat of Arms, National Anthem...shall be respected.

When someone breaks the law, must know that is expose face-to-face to the consequences and punishment.

About giving a hard time to the Royals. People has the right and duty to do so and show their unrest nation-wide, cleverly!

keep it simple 07-15-2011 07:42 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
I'm sure he'll be comfortably numb for a while.

mediocrefunkybeat 07-15-2011 08:12 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Williams (Post 866577)
I fully agree regarding "sacred" and shall be kept that way: Flag, Coat of Arms, National Anthem...shall be respected.

When someone breaks the law, must know that is expose face-to-face to the consequences and punishment.

About giving a hard time to the Royals. People has the right and duty to do so and show their unrest nation-wide, cleverly!

Well, I don't sing the National Anthem any more because I'm an Atheist and a Republican; so it doesn't sit well! With that said, I observe the right of others to sing it, so I just stand there quietly.

I think the Royals were stupid; driving a Royal car through the streets of London in the middle of a day of unrest. Although I don't condone physical action (but found it funny, there's a difference!) they were asking for trouble doing that.

Pollyanna 07-16-2011 03:15 AM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
You never get the full story. It seems Charlie G was feeling unhinged after meeting his natural father. However, a lot of adopted people meet their natural parents and are disturbed by the experience.

Our singer was adopted and he was very turned off when he met his natural mother. He told me that it made him deeply grateful to be with his adoptive parents, who he considers his real parents.

It's a shame that Charlie didn't do the same and count his blessings rather than focus on the fact that his natural father didn't care about him. The fact is that Charlie's adoptive father was supporting him in court and providing a QC to help out suggests that he didn't focus on the good things he had. I wish my father was a member of Pink Floyd!

Ian Williams 07-16-2011 05:41 AM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Mr. David Gilmour is a great example of a role model father. Supporting his adoptive son while going through hard times!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 866728)
I wish my father was a member of Pink Floyd!


mediocrefunkybeat 07-16-2011 02:27 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 866728)
You never get the full story. It seems Charlie G was feeling unhinged after meeting his natural father. However, a lot of adopted people meet their natural parents and are disturbed by the experience.

Our singer was adopted and he was very turned off when he met his natural mother. He told me that it made him deeply grateful to be with his adoptive parents, who he considers his real parents.

It's a shame that Charlie didn't do the same and count his blessings rather than focus on the fact that his natural father didn't care about him. The fact is that Charlie's adoptive father was supporting him in court and providing a QC to help out suggests that he didn't focus on the good things he had. I wish my father was a member of Pink Floyd!

It can't be easy to be a young man in those situations. Charlie is younger than I am and I know how badly I react to the smallest of things. I mean, I went mad when I accidentally ate meat yesterday (I'm a vegetarian, the mince looks and tastes the same when it's been in the fridge!) so I can't pretend to understand what it must've been like for him.

I will always have endless respect for David Gilmour. That's just a given.

With that said, Charlie acted like a drunken idiot; vandalised a national monument and attacked a Royal security car. You do that, you pay the price. The law has to be the same for everyone regardless of emotion.

Incidentally Polly, I hope you're following the Murdoch scandal!

keep it simple 07-17-2011 09:59 AM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
I was at the point of posting something on this yesterday, but thought better of it, as it probably would have got me banned from DW. This really makes my blood boil!

How dare this spoilt little ^£$^^ use his adoption as an excuse for his actions. His birth father wasn't interested in him! Big surprise that. Why the hell did he think he was put up for adoption in the first place. I spent years advising adopted adults on a help line. Believe me, I've heard it all. On each occasion, I steered the individual in the direction of appreciating their adopted parents. I was adopted out of an orphanage on the dock road of Liverpool. I'm likely to be the product of 1960 family peer pressure, or even more likely, the product of prostitution. Does that buy me a ticket to act like a dickhead? I don't think so.

This stupid boy needs a reality check. He also should have thought of the affect on his adoptive parents when sighting being disturbed by the reaction of his birth father. Ungrateful little %$%^!!!!!

Pollyanna 07-17-2011 10:18 AM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Well done, Andy. I think you got things toned down enough to avoid being banned :) I'm not sure it was an excuse so much as the events were recounted and that seems to be the trigger. But yes, he screwed up hugely by not realising how lucky he was. Prison will be very difficult to him - he looks pretty soft.


Quote:

Originally Posted by mediocrefunkybeat (Post 866921)
Incidentally Polly, I hope you're following the Murdoch scandal!

Oh yes, but I'm pretty sure it's just scraping the surface of Murdoch's unethical empire. I liken News Ltd and their market dominance as our version of Pravda.

toddy 07-17-2011 05:28 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
i feel ashamed that this rotter is a part of my generation. i don't have much time for the royals, but the cenotaph is sacred. i also find it irrelevant as to who's son he is (or isn't), there is no valid excuse in my mind for the way he acted. thank goodness he actually got given a prison sentence.

IDDrummer 07-17-2011 07:56 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mediocrefunkybeat (Post 866554)
Well, I know the story even if the link is from the Daily Mail (a laughing-stock, right-wing UK rage that hasn't been closed down in the last week).

I supported the student protests and I even supported giving the Royals a hard time; (I'm a Republican) so the idea of Charlie Gilmour jumping a Royal Protection car is hilarious but he was genuinely acting like an idiot an deserves whatever punishment he might get.

You break the law, you take the punishment. I'm glad that he apologised for his actions on The Cenotaph. There are few things that are sacred, but The Cenotaph is one of them.

I take it "Republican" in British parlance is more akin to its actual definition than to the conservation American political party of the same name?

RE the OP, it sounds like the kid just wasn't thinking, and just behaving like a drunken goofball. In America that usually results in a court appearance, rehab, and a bigger contract if you are a celeb, jail time if you are ordinary folk, it seems.

mediocrefunkybeat 07-17-2011 08:26 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IDDrummer (Post 867315)
I take it "Republican" in British parlance is more akin to its actual definition than to the conservation American political party of the same name?

RE the OP, it sounds like the kid just wasn't thinking, and just behaving like a drunken goofball. In America that usually results in a court appearance, rehab, and a bigger contract if you are a celeb, jail time if you are ordinary folk, it seems.

Nothing to do with the American political party. Everything to do with a dislike of inherited power.

IDDrummer 07-17-2011 08:27 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mediocrefunkybeat (Post 867328)
Nothing to do with the American political party. Everything to do with a dislike of inherited power.

OK, that's what I thought!

DrumEatDrum 07-17-2011 08:33 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
This is Grace:

http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/20...mer20_ph40.jpg

This is a dis-grace:

http://www.rockandpop80s.com/images/CITY.jpg

GRUNTERSDAD 07-18-2011 12:08 AM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Well he will have 16 months to think about it

Ian Williams 07-18-2011 05:09 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
...and to grow up as a real man.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD (Post 867413)
Well he will have 16 months to think about it


Ian Williams 07-18-2011 05:20 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Word of life experience...speak your mind plainly. I admire that from you - Andy!

Quote:

Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 867212)
I was at the point of posting something on this yesterday, but thought better of it, as it probably would have got me banned from DW. This really makes my blood boil!

How dare this spoilt little ^£$^^ use his adoption as an excuse for his actions. His birth father wasn't interested in him! Big surprise that. Why the hell did he think he was put up for adoption in the first place. I spent years advising adopted adults on a help line. Believe me, I've heard it all. On each occasion, I steered the individual in the direction of appreciating their adopted parents. I was adopted out of an orphanage on the dock road of Liverpool. I'm likely to be the product of 1960 family peer pressure, or even more likely, the product of prostitution. Does that buy me a ticket to act like a dickhead? I don't think so.

This stupid boy needs a reality check. He also should have thought of the affect on his adoptive parents when sighting being disturbed by the reaction of his birth father. Ungrateful little %$%^!!!!!


jonescrusher 07-18-2011 08:05 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 866588)
I'm sure he'll be comfortably numb for a while.



He'll be hoping his bum is!

mediocrefunkybeat 07-18-2011 08:16 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jonescrusher (Post 867716)
He'll be hoping his bum is!

Don't drop the soap...

Ian Williams 07-18-2011 09:04 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Otherwise bull's eye...

Quote:

Originally Posted by mediocrefunkybeat (Post 867722)
Don't drop the soap...


Muckster 07-18-2011 09:28 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
I knew Charlie was trouble years ago when he hung up on David Gilmour. (refer to the last track on "The Division Bell."

Pollyanna 07-19-2011 04:28 AM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jonescrusher (Post 867716)
He'll be hoping his bum is!

My understanding is that stuff mostly goes on in US prisons. Is the UK bad for gaol rape too?

jonescrusher 07-19-2011 04:33 AM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 867885)
My understanding is that stuff mostly goes on in US prisons. Is the UK bad for gaol rape too?

It must go on in every country, America is bigger and better at everything though :D I'd have thought Gilmour would be in a lower security prison, so maybe just some light foreplay.

mediocrefunkybeat 07-19-2011 10:12 AM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
As long as he doesn't go into the greenhouse, he'll manage.

Now that really is an obscure reference.

keep it simple 07-19-2011 11:30 AM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Williams (Post 867652)
Word of life experience...speak your mind plainly. I admire that from you - Andy!

Thanks Ian, but really, nothing to admire about my past. I had no problems getting on with life. Sure, a tougher than most upbringing, but the love of my adopted mother (never really saw my adopted father much) brought me joy in a sea of shit. I just got on with it, & worked with the sparse material riches I had. This little prick has everything going for him, including, & especially, the love of great parents. Not one grain of empathy from me.

jonescrusher 07-19-2011 01:32 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mediocrefunkybeat (Post 868015)
As long as he doesn't go into the greenhouse, he'll manage.

Now that really is an obscure reference.



Scum?



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Pollyanna 07-19-2011 02:18 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jonescrusher (Post 868053)
Scum?

Yes? May I help you?
...

mediocrefunkybeat 07-19-2011 11:21 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jonescrusher (Post 868053)
Scum?



....
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Man, you just have all the answers!

halldaniel21 07-22-2011 04:17 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
I also object the fee hike, but this is not the way to protest. Charlie Gilmour although wasn’t standing for a wrong protest, but the method used to protest is disgraceful. I think 16 months is right.

Tor_Hershman 02-06-2013 08:21 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mediocrefunkybeat (Post 866598)
Well, I don't sing the National Anthem any more because I'm an Atheist and a Republican; so it doesn't sit well! With that said, I observe the right of others to sing it, so I just stand there quietly.

I think the Royals were stupid; driving a Royal car through the streets of London in the middle of a day of unrest. Although I don't condone physical action (but found it funny, there's a difference!) they were asking for trouble doing that.

Hey, you can sing the song that George Washington sang.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9lYC0lBfkA
...ain't that a hoot?

toddmc 02-07-2013 02:42 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tor_Hershman (Post 1108313)
Hey, you can sing the song that George Washington sang.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9lYC0lBfkA
...ain't that a hoot?

Ah yes, the good old reply to a post from 1.5 years ago trick : )
Just a heads up- the member you quoted has been long banned (when a member is listed as a "guest" = banned). Don't worry, I fell for it too at first!

toddy 02-07-2013 03:39 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
that's actually a good point, why was MFG banned? and what happened to polly? i stopped posting here for a while

larryace 02-07-2013 04:00 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
They re-arranged the letters and now they go under different names. Polly started that wave. The roach still lingers though.

toddy 02-07-2013 04:25 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
ahh... anonymous rules the waves ehh!

BacteriumFendYoke 02-07-2013 04:27 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toddy (Post 1108600)
ahh... anonymous rules the waves ehh!

Hardly anonymous. They're not exactly subtle!

toddy 02-07-2013 04:32 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
ahhh, i mean't anon as in polyanna, mediocrefunkybeat was a kant anyway so i don't really care about him lol

BacteriumFendYoke 02-07-2013 04:39 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toddy (Post 1108606)
ahhh, i mean't anon as in polyanna, mediocrefunkybeat was a kant anyway so i don't really care about him lol

Well you are currently speaking to him. Nice one...

toddy 02-07-2013 04:55 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
you inform me as if i'm a coma patient, i already knew to whom i was speaking

http://dropula.com/uploads/858/4sDwD...1e8e2d_858.jpg

BacteriumFendYoke 02-07-2013 04:56 PM

Re: Grace or Disgrace?
 
Interesting. Very interesting. Does what you say often coincide with what you mean?


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