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K!lly 07-23-2005 11:22 PM

Marco Minnemann
 
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers...Minnemann.html

One of the "new" drummers.. mostly compared to Thomas Lang, he peformed a drum battle with T.Lang and J.Rabb ... drummer of Nina Hagen, the 19th WFD with 1005 strokes per minutes... a huge DW kit with a big gong-bass, and some wird pedals (a foot-snare) ..etc
I've seen this drummer at a drumclinic in paris, and believe me it was a plesur for my eyes and for ears. I'll keep forever in my memory his "stereo hihat lick".
A must seen


By the way, I've seen Thomas lang to in a clinic.. and for me, Marco rox him .. no joke :)

captain pencil shooter 07-24-2005 06:54 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
marco is an awesome drummer, incredibly fast. don't care for the music he writes though, but nonetheless he's damn good.

darkcherryfade 07-24-2005 08:47 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Indeed, with his ego music aside, he is amazing. One of the best. And actually, I do like some of his self-written tracks.

finnhiggins 07-24-2005 09:09 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
I liked his video where he solos over "Bite my shiny metal ass" from Futurama. That was one of the funnier clinic gimmicks I've ever encountered.

spacebeat3117 07-25-2005 02:38 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by finnhiggins
I liked his video where he solos over "Bite my shiny metal ass" from Futurama. That was one of the funnier clinic gimmicks I've ever encountered.

haha yea that was awesome . Marco is a real nice guy i met him after a clinic and he just does some real impressive fills with that dw gong drum .

Raymond Bloom 07-25-2005 08:52 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Aww, Marco is insane! I don't listen to him cuz his drumming is so complex that my head strats to hurt! :DD And, yeah, after that I usually think...eh, ok, maybe I need to play guitar instead of drums? But hey, Marco plays guitar pretty awsome too, so... :DDD
He is really pushing the boundries of drumming...a madman... all my respect to him!

Wegadrummer 07-25-2005 01:43 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jammaster
Aww, Marco is insane! I don't listen to him cuz his drumming is so complex that my head strats to hurt! :DD And, yeah, after that I usually think...eh, ok, maybe I need to play guitar instead of drums? But hey, Marco plays guitar pretty awsome too, so... :DDD
He is really pushing the boundries of drumming...a madman... all my respect to him!


you took the words out of my mouth...

InnateDrummer 07-25-2005 04:15 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jammaster
Aww, Marco is insane! I don't listen to him cuz his drumming is so complex that my head strats to hurt! :DD And, yeah, after that I usually think...eh, ok, maybe I need to play guitar instead of drums? But hey, Marco plays guitar pretty awsome too, so... :DDD
He is really pushing the boundries of drumming...a madman... all my respect to him!

If you wanna know the truth, it isn't THAT complicated, you just have to figure out which are the hands and whichc are the feets..lol, thats the hard part, everything else, such as odd time sig.'s and patterns and what not, are easy to figure out and to do, but no doubt, he's insane, i like his drumming because its so different from every other drummers, His hands and feet are independant and interdependant on each other, its wild, i love trying to figure out what comes next.

PdoubleE 12-01-2005 01:00 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
I know this is a bold remark But Minnemann has brought somthing to the drumming community that noone else has. Incredible Innovation!!!! This guy is simply amazing
Actualy i lied in the Agren Thread I Think Minnemann may also be another fav !! Dang it too many Incredible drummers lol

Thinshells 12-01-2005 05:57 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Marco is a monster behind the kit. There is no other way to slice it. He is amazing.

Scatman 12-03-2005 12:54 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Other than Thomas Lang Marco has the best independence of any drummer

toteman2 12-03-2005 01:06 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scatman
Other than Thomas Lang Marco has the best independence of any drummer


That is a BOLD statement my friend...While I love Marco and Lang there are a number of drummers who have displayed more advanced independence than both of them...Marco has some of the most intense facial expressions when playing...I love it...

and of five 12-03-2005 07:23 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

While I love Marco and Lang there are a number of drummers who have displayed more advanced independence than both of them
that's also a pretty bold statement. i made a huge post on here somewhere a while ago about the technical impossibility of asessing independance based on listening.

'there's no way anyone could possibly know that napoleon'

what can't be argued is that minneman made a huge stride in bringing true ostinato playing to the masses with 'extreme interdependance'

toteman2 12-03-2005 08:17 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

i made a huge post on here somewhere a while ago about the technical impossibility of asessing independance based on listening.
Could you elaborate? That seems like a fun topic...

AvengedDrummer 01-17-2006 02:26 AM

Marco Minnemann
 
He is one of my favorite drummers. His solos are really unique and when he plays with a band his playing really adds alot to the music.

NUTHA JASON 01-17-2006 07:53 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
i got his extreme drumming DVD the other day (actually they delivered two by accident so i'm selling one on ebay at the moment).

my initial feelings are that he is comparableto virgil donatti in chops but he certainly grooves more, the man is a machine when it comes to speed and a great showman too. i'm keen to learn more about him.

j

Stu_Strib 01-17-2006 09:54 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by and of five
that's also a pretty bold statement. i made a huge post on here somewhere a while ago about the technical impossibility of asessing independance based on listening.

'there's no way anyone could possibly know that napoleon'

what can't be argued is that minneman made a huge stride in bringing true ostinato playing to the masses with 'extreme interdependance'

Speaking of insane ostinatos and independence; Sanchez and Hernandez come to mind.

Homegrown 01-24-2006 03:02 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Lets not forget Bozzio as long as we are on the topic of independence. He was doing the same thing marco is doing 12 years ago. Although, marco imho is a little more fluid in that respect.

t-bone 01-24-2006 03:20 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
i just recently got into marco's playing, through his work with paul gilbert....the dude is amazing....can't be a slouch when you are playing with dudes the calibre of mr.gilbert..........

Stu_Strib 01-24-2006 04:37 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
I'm glad he switched to Zildjian too. I'm not sure what he was thinking with those old cymbals.

baddrumming 01-27-2006 11:41 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
To Stu

Marco played meinl cymbals for so many years because they were kind enough to offer him his first sponsership deal hence he stayed loyal to them. Zildjian by the way had been after marco for a few years before marco eventually caved into the tempatation of a free set of K custom cymbals and a big fat sponsership deal.

Tex12 01-27-2006 11:56 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
If I could come close to 985 Marco could do way more than 1005
What is this?

Jeff Almeyda 02-03-2006 05:04 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Even Bozzio admits that Marco reigns supreme with independence. Read Bozzio's recent interview in MD.

There are several drummers with high level independence but Marco is throwing it all together with polyrhythms, odd time sigs, odd note groupings, frequent meter changes etc.

Virgil is also doing crazy stuff at this level as well. (His "separating both sides of the body" technique)
I have to say, Virgil might be even badder than Marco

Marco really is a mutant, however. I mean, I saw him playing eighths with one limb, triplets with another, 16th's with the third and quintuplets with the fourth limb. AND he can assign any one pattern to any limb at any time. Who even plays music like that???

Check out the video Extreme Drumming. The solo at the end is awe-inspiring.

secondXheartbeat 02-11-2006 08:27 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
I really enjoyed when he played along with sound-drops from different movies. It really showed how well-rounded of a drummer Marco is!

AvengedDrummer 02-12-2006 01:39 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
I got his Extreme drumming DVD from netflix the other day and what impressed me was an accented roll he did between two hi-hats. Insane stuff

Womble 02-12-2006 11:52 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NUTHA JASON

my initial feelings are that he is comparableto virgil donatti in chops but he certainly grooves more, the man is a machine when it comes to speed and a great showman too. i'm keen to learn more about him.

j

YAY!!! In other words, J, you can finally hear that Virgin's groove is flawed? :)

Marco's chops are more interesting, musically applicable, and fluid than the other pretenders'. Despite the ridiculous complexity of what he plays, he remains human. No one touches him for independence. And to top it all off, he's a cool, funny, down-to-earth guy, again unlike the others.

Marco kills Donati. Marco kills Lang.

Womble hath spake.

Stu_Strib 02-13-2006 11:41 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by baddrumming
To Stu

Marco played meinl cymbals for so many years because they were kind enough to offer him his first sponsership deal hence he stayed loyal to them.

It seems like Meinl goes after the German Wunderkinds like Lang (ok, Austrian, close enough) and Minneman. What does that Benny Greb guy play?

I'm sure it has more to do with distribution and marketing than anything else. I've said it a million times on here, my favorite cymbal/drum company would be the one that would pay me to play their gear! But for now I guess I'll have to "settle" with Yamaha and Zildjian...oh darn.

Stu_Strib 02-13-2006 11:43 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Womble

Marco kills Donati. Marco kills Lang.

Womble hath spake.

I think what you meant to say was Marco Donati and Lang kill Womble and Stu_Strib.

Womble 02-13-2006 12:11 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu_Strib
I think what you meant to say was Marco Donati and Lang kill Womble and Stu_Strib.

Or possibly, Donati and Lang are about to kill Womble. LOL.

Please don't assume Thinshells' old job of pointing out that everyone's worse than the people they criticise, I've been enjoying my new-found freedom since he flipped!

Breakaway Faction 03-08-2006 07:16 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
I just watched the extreme drumming DVD. And thanks to Marco I have a huge headache. OMG I can't even believe the stuff he is doing.......WOW!!!

jonny 03-08-2006 03:53 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Marco kills Donati. Marco kills Lang.
Quote:

Even Bozzio admits that Marco reigns supreme with independence.
And Pete Zeldman kills all of them. End of thread ;-)

Sorry Womble. Zeldman was doing all of Marco's stuff way back. I think Marco is a fantastic drummer, and I really enjoy his musicality. As for independance and sheer technical facility, there are drummers who've been doing the Extreme Independance for a while now, but without the exposure that Marco gets. I view Marco as pretty much a newcomer to the independance scene.

Stu_Strib 03-08-2006 05:40 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Womble
Please don't assume Thinshells' old job of pointing out that everyone's worse than the people they criticise, I've been enjoying my new-found freedom since he flipped!


No worries from me! That's the last thing I waste my time on. I have probably included this line more than 50 times on Drummerworld:

"what does MY skill have to do with (insert criticized drummer's name here)"?

and of five 03-08-2006 05:56 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
err well i guess this post is a few months belated.. but regardless

if you define independance as being to play a co-ordinated rhythm independant of another (ie left hand/right hand.. right foot/right hand) it's impossible to differentiate between actual improvisation (and real independance), and memorized rhythm.

so assume your playing a shuffle, and you displace the upbeat every few bars. while you are obviously doing this independant of the rest of the rhythm, which is consistant, it is likewise possible that you just memorized a few bars, with an upbeat that doesn't fall in the same place

of course it's a fair bet to say someone on marco's playing level can improvise pretty fluently, but you can't honestly say he has excellent independance without being him..

Drumitup 03-08-2006 07:34 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Well this is going to make everyone on drummerworld but I'm going to a drum clinic including Marco, Terry Bozzio ( ohhhh yeeeaaaah!) and Chad Wackerman it's on april 29th I can't wait.

I've seen some of Marco's movie and I was extremeley impressed with him.

LimaBeans 03-09-2006 03:13 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
I love Marco's drumming. He is probaly my favorite drummer ever since I bought his Extreme Drumming DVD. I love listening to the music he plays with. It's just great to see someone who developed amazing interdependence, then apply it to make mind-boggling grooves that fit the music more than well. For anyone who has the DVD, my favorite song (and drumming) on it is the alternate take of "Motor" on Side B (especially when he starts using all of the different high hat/cymbal orchestrations (the one while the music is still playing)). I don't see why this one isn't on the site instead of one of the others.

Womble 03-09-2006 12:46 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jonny
And Pete Zeldman kills all of them. End of thread ;-)

I dutifully checked out Pete Zeldman's site, but there was only one brief audio clip, and to be honest it sounded like a rather unappealing mess. When I said no one touches Marco for independence I didn't really mean in terms of complexity but in musicality (just my opinion). But if there's someplace else I can check out more Zeldman, please let me know, I'd be interested.

jonny 03-09-2006 02:50 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Hey Womble,

I see what you're saying. Personally, out of all of the 'super' drummers, like Lang, Mangini, Donati etc, I'd say that Marco is the most musical as well. I remember the first time I saw his video, I was really blown away by it. I genuinely think it's really good music, whereas I can't always say the same thing about other drummers. With Lang or Mangini, I think it's good drumming, but I can't honestly say that I always enjoy the musicality side of it.

However, although not I'm not someone who likes to get caught up in "who's the best techinical drummer etc", I do think that when it comes to independance and four way co-ordination, technical ability is something to be admired. It's ridiculously hard to get to a decent level. Zeldman has taken it seriously far out. There is a video of him on the Drum Institute website, under his profile, which is ok. But neither the clip or the video I mentioned really showcase his talent properly. Personally, I'd rate him as the world's best drummer, and yes, that's putting above Vinnie and Weckl etc. Try and catch him live in clinic, and he'll change the way you think about drums! ;-)

Jeff Almeyda 03-14-2006 11:16 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Has anyone seen Marco recently? He seems to have fallen off the face of the earth in the last 6 months or so. He's not playing with any bands that I know of nor is he on a clinic tour.

Anyone know what's up?

LimaBeans 03-15-2006 05:37 AM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Knevildrummer
Has anyone seen Marco recently? He seems to have fallen off the face of the earth in the last 6 months or so. He's not playing with any bands that I know of nor is he on a clinic tour.

Anyone know what's up?

29. October 2006, Birmingham, West Midlands, UK, Drumfest 2006

25. October 2006, Northampton, Northamtonshire, UK, Drumfest 2006

22. October 2006, Brentwood, Essex, UK, Drumfest 2006

20. - 24. June 2006, München, Germany, "Unterfahrt" www.unterfahrt.de, Wolfgang Schmid Special Kick

20. May 2006, Bordeaux, France, Drums Addict Festival 2006, http://www.medoquine.com/fr/visite.html

04. May 2006, B&B Music, Camden, DE, USA, BMW Clinic Tour

02. May 2006, Dynamic Percussion, Manchester, CT, USA, BMW Clinic Tour

01. May 2006, Drum Shop, Portland, ME, USA, BMW Clinic Tour

29. Apr. 2006, Steve's Music, Montreal, QC, Canada, BMW Clinic Tour

28. Apr. 2006, Steve's Music, Ottawa, ON, Canada, BMW Clinic Tour

26. Apr. 2006, Steve's Music,Toronto, ON, Canada, BMW Clinic Tour (Bozzio, Minnemann, Wackerman)

25. March 2006, Weinstadt, Wolfgang Schmid Special Kick Tour 2006, Jazztage, www.jak-weinstadt.de

24. March 2006, Habach, Germany, "Village" www.village-habach.de, Wolfgang Schmid Special Kick

Jeff Almeyda 03-21-2006 04:49 PM

Re: Marco Minnemann
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jonny
And Pete Zeldman kills all of them. End of thread ;-)

Sorry Womble. Zeldman was doing all of Marco's stuff way back. .


I remember Zeldman doing this crazy independence stuff back in '89. He is truly an unsung giant of a drummer. Whatever happened to him? I'd heard some pretty bad things.

I'd love to see him playing alongside Marco now. That would be SCARY!!!


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