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Drummer_Boy 07-22-2005 09:39 AM

Gene Krupa
 
Woah. I just noticed nobody has talked about Gene Krupa. He's definately one of my favorites. What do you guys think of his impact and talent? I also like Benny Goodman, who he played with..

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Gene_Krupa.html

XNIRVANAX 07-22-2005 03:08 PM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
yeah hes really good .. a very old drummer too and also one of the greats it maybee him who started all the soloing and all.

RTDRUMS 07-22-2005 03:35 PM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Thats funny that your wondering about Gene because I was just posting about him in general disccusion.

Gene Krupa was responsible for making it tremendously cool to play the drums. Lets all give it up for GK!

Drummer_Boy 07-22-2005 08:24 PM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Yeah..he definately made the drums a solo instrument.

Dr. Neaux 07-24-2005 06:48 AM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drummer_Boy
Yeah..he definately made the drums a solo instrument.

I believe he was also "instrumental"(pun intended ;P) in the development of the tunable tom-toms, the hi-hat and is believed to be the first to actually record with a bass drum in the studio. And he did make the drums a solo instrument and was responsible for making the drummer a highly respected and high paid musician. As Buddy once said about Gene: "Gene was a great, great genius of the drums.....Can you imagine jazz without Gene?" Here's to Mr. Showmanship himself, Gene Krupa!!!

Drummer_Boy 07-24-2005 09:49 AM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Neaux
I believe he was also "instrumental"(pun intended ;P) in the development of the tunable tom-toms, the hi-hat and is believed to be the first to actually record with a bass drum in the studio. And he did make the drums a solo instrument and was responsible for making the drummer a highly respected and high paid musician. As Buddy once said about Gene: "Gene was a great, great genius of the drums.....Can you imagine jazz without Gene?" Here's to Mr. Showmanship himself, Gene Krupa!!!

I really, really agree with you. I'm sure that he's probably my favorite Big Band drummer. Buddy Rich is my second...tho most would probably argue that he SHOULD be my first...
Also it's a good thing he helped drummers get respected, otherwise all the people in band class would say im not even a musician. Haha.

Bernhard 07-24-2005 10:12 AM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Gene Krupa = GENIE Krupa

absolutely!!!! Instant classic......never heard. Great

Bernhard

Drummer_Boy 07-24-2005 10:26 AM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernhard
Gene Krupa = GENIE Krupa

absolutely!!!! Instant classic......never heard. Great

Bernhard

Haha, thank you a lot. I just came up with that when I started this thread. I guess it just goes to show how much I like him.

DogBreath 07-24-2005 06:20 PM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drummer_Boy
I'm sure that he's probably my favorite Big Band drummer. Buddy Rich is my second...

You just scored some points with me on that one.

Drummer_Boy 07-25-2005 03:06 AM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DogBreath
You just scored some points with me on that one.

He's your favorite Big Band drummer too?

DogBreath 07-25-2005 06:21 AM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Without a doubt. I have six drummer's pictures on the wall in my drum room. Gene is up there, Buddy is not.

RTDRUMS 07-25-2005 03:45 PM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
There both great however Gene has been quoted sayin "Buddy is the greatest drummer to ever draw a breath".

Dont get me wrong I love Gene Krupa, But I love Buddy Rich more because he was a better drummer.

mediocrefunkybeat 07-25-2005 03:52 PM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
I would argue otherwise. I think out of the two, Gene was the better. Although Buddy had him technically, I personally think that Gene had the more musicality of the two and that makes Gene better.

Just my personal opinion; and don't get me wrong, Buddy Rich was amazing.

DogBreath 07-25-2005 06:54 PM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RTDRUMS
There both great however Gene has been quoted sayin "Buddy is the greatest drummer to ever draw a breath".

That is a perfect example of a gentleman who knows how to speak of another. Gene was the better drummer, the better musician, and the better gentleman. Buddy was the better showman. Gene sold drumming; Buddy sold Buddy.

Just my humble opinion, not an argument.

RTDRUMS 07-25-2005 07:46 PM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DogBreath
That is a perfect example of a gentleman who knows how to speak of another. Gene was the better drummer, the better musician, and the better gentleman. Buddy was the better showman. Gene sold drumming; Buddy sold Buddy.

Just my humble opinion, not an argument.

great point. I agree Gene out classed Buddy.
soo. How about that Louie Bellson?

Drummer_Boy 07-26-2005 12:21 AM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DogBreath
Gene was the better drummer, the better musician, and the better gentleman. Buddy was the better showman. Gene sold drumming; Buddy sold Buddy.

Just my humble opinion, not an argument.

You're very right, I think. Also, he was definately the better gentleman. Haha, my dad said that he once saw Buddy Rich when he was a kid, and he waited in line to talk to Buddy Rich. Buddy Rich asked him,"Where's your paper for me to sign?" and my dad goes, "Well, I just wanted to tell you how much I respect you and the band", then Buddy goes, "Get the f**k out of here." HAHAHA. But anyways, Gene was definately a better musician. Buddy Rich actually couldn't read music, so it turns out, and what he'd do is get some guy to play the music for him ONE time, then Buddy would master it like a monster. Altho, I don't know if it was any different for Gene...But Buddy Rich was still great aswell. Also, Louie Bellson is awesome too. GREAT drummer.

Rudy McRudster 07-26-2005 02:03 AM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
I think they're both great in different aspects. Krupa pioneered drumming and is responsible for a lot of drumming today. Hell, we might not be on this forum if it wasn't for Krupa. And he was surely a better gentleman, it's not hard to beat out Rich in that aspect.
But Buddy Rich was just a great player. He took what Krupa started and ran with it to become one of the most famous and influential drummers to ever live. I have to disagree that Rich was not musical, when I look at a lot of his solos, I see a lot of music and soul mixed in with his technique.
In my opinion, Gene Krupa created drumming as we know it today, but Buddy Rich made it enjoyable and fun. That's just my opinion.

Drummer_Boy 07-26-2005 05:39 AM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudy McRudster
I think they're both great in different aspects. Krupa pioneered drumming and is responsible for a lot of drumming today. Hell, we might not be on this forum if it wasn't for Krupa. And he was surely a better gentleman, it's not hard to beat out Rich in that aspect.
But Buddy Rich was just a great player. He took what Krupa started and ran with it to become one of the most famous and influential drummers to ever live. I have to disagree that Rich was not musical, when I look at a lot of his solos, I see a lot of music and soul mixed in with his technique.
In my opinion, Gene Krupa created drumming as we know it today, but Buddy Rich made it enjoyable and fun. That's just my opinion.

You know Rudy, that's actually a REALLY good way to put it.

Hanky12 09-19-2005 08:34 AM

Gene Krupa the music man
 
Gene Krupa once said if the crowd can't dance while i'm soloing i feel like i failed playing that solo. This guy didn't have the speed Buddy Rich had but he was by far the most musical drummer that ever lived. Try playing medium tempo eighth notes and swing them on a snare drum Record it and listen it's not easy to swing it liKe you think. Krupa had that touch better than anyone except maybe for Chick Web The fast drummers like Buddy Rich, Mike Mangini, Art Verdi, Virgil Donati,Flo whats his face Billy Cobham, Dennis Chambers and the rest couldn't hold a candle to Gene's touch. Don't get me wrong i admire these guys for what they can do but Gene is the music man

NouveauCliche 09-20-2005 01:31 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
They're both incredible musicians and drumming icons in their own right. I'd rather not get into the whole Krupa Ns. Rich thing in this forum...you know...the one titled "Gene Krupa"....not "Gene Vs. Buddy."

Gene was an incredible showman...every time I watch him I'm completely rivited by his general personality on the drums! He obviously isn't the biggest chops hound of the time, but he was no slouch either. He had enough tools to get the job done and make sure everyone was enjoying it! I love Gene's playing and I respect his musical body as a whole. Plus...in every interview he seems like such a cool guy!

jordanz 10-25-2005 01:13 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
I love the way GK plays. But, is he not the funniest drummer in the world to watch? He makes the most ridiculous faces and movements. I can't stop laughing when I watch him.

Zardoz 03-16-2006 04:45 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
Gene Krupa, the most musical drummer EVER and one of the most influential EVER.....only has 21 responses????? Is there something wrong here????? This is truly appaling and makes me want to vomit. Not good vomit like GWAR-style, but sick-to-my-stomach as to why a legend is neglected on such a huge drummer's site. Seriously, wake up!!!!!!!!!!

This guy had more feel when he played than anyone (including Rich, Gadd, etc.). When he sat behind a kit, he was so animated that it seemed like he was possessed by the drums. What a showman.

My first real exposure to him outside Benny Goodman's material was the Krupa & Rich cd, which totally rocks. ;-)

For those less versed in his legacy, please read this short bio on him.

mattsmith 03-16-2006 05:32 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
My family has a bunch of videos of him. His big band from the early 1940s with Roy Eldridge the trumpet player is absolutely wicked. Man he sure got into it. But my favorite video is of a Timex TV show about a year before he died with the Benny Goodman Quartet. He was awesome on that. According to my dad, he was the first drummer to get a real drumset into a recording studio without messin up the recording. He says it was in 1927. Krupa and his bandmates were the first guys to muffle the inside of a bassdrum with pillows and blankets. That's a big thing by itself.

kacperivo 03-16-2006 03:16 PM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
Definitely one of the Fathers of Modern Drumming! His playing was giving the tunes this cool swing, and what's more... he was a damn fine showman!... And his parents were from Poland, so it's also my personal sympathy ;).

photon 03-23-2006 01:54 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
Hey Zardoz I was thinking the same thing too....only 21 posts about Krupa? Maybe it's an age thing because Krupa's prime was about what...?....50 years ago?

As for me being almost 45 Krupa was one of the first drummers I became aware of as a kid (after Ringo). I lived with my Grandparents when I was young and my Grandfather worked at music store so when I became interested in the drums he certainly mentioned Krupa to me because that was the most famous drummer of his generation. I also remember vaguely seeing Krupa the odd time on television. My Dad also housed all his old 78 records at my Grandparents and I remember he had at least one Krupa....help me out here...what was it?...."Drum Boogie"? Was that Krupa? I can't remember the "B" side other then some vague recollection of it being something of "tribal" rythm.

Anyway...Krupa was and is one of the most exciting drummers to watch. Didn't have Buddy's chops...but man he really got into it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zardoz 03-23-2006 03:30 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
Photon,

It just boggles my mind, because you'd think that no matter what age you are and if you're truly into the instrument you're playing, you'd want to go back and listen to as many drummers as you can, from different genres & just be totally consumed with all different types of music. But, unfortunately most people are not like that, especially when you're younger and more impressionable by other people around you, "Dude jazz sucks stop being a wussy and put on Slipknot" or something like that. But that's also ironic, because when you're younger that's when you should be doing what I mentioned above, before you become older and more 'stubborn' with your musical tastes.

To me, being a true music nut is about listening to everything not only from the present, but from the past as well.....because that's where most of the present music gets their sound.

I would highly suggest going out and buying the Krupa & Rich cd I mentioned above. It's short, but well worth it. Rich's solos on the cd are more 'musical', meaning they're more toned-downed than most other solos I've seen/heard by him. And Krupa, well he's just being himself which is never a bad thing to listen to.

sonofagun21 03-23-2006 04:11 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
I was taught by GK.

Wellll, I learned the drums mainly by playing along with everything (mostly) he did on the Columbia 2 record set of Goodman's 1938 Carnegie Hall Concert - if you haven't ever heard it - get it! It's wonderful!

I'd be so "in" to playing with that album that if my Ma walked in the room to stop me, it'd scare the ___ outa me!

Story of how that concert was recorded (by accident really) is amazing - as I recall only was recorded because of a feed to a radio broadcast and a disc was cut from one (got that? -ONE) microphone hung from the ceiling. Post-concert the disc disappeared into the Goodman family closet (or something like that) only to be found years later. Sound isn't all bad either - just lacks a bit in the bass. Goodman's band was spot on that night and the audiences response shows it!!

Highlight of course is Sing Sing Sing, but there are many other great tunes and moments.

Michael G 01-03-2007 03:28 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
Ahh Gene Krupa, not only a great drummer, but a real sweetheart too.

His girlfriend dumped him and married Buddy Rich, and they still remained best friends.

Gene Krupa needs more praise, so little posts about him.

rjvsmb 01-03-2007 08:18 PM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
[quote=photon;101599]Hey Zardoz I was thinking the same thing too....only 21 posts about Krupa? QUOTE]

I think when everyone is in agreement with nothing to bicker about, these threads don't get the momentum some of the more heated one do. Same thing happens with the Steve Smith or Dennis Chambers threads.

Now you look at Neil Peart or Travis Barker thread. Wow, these go on forever because people are bickering back and forth about who knows what.

Now, for my two cents about Mr. Krupa. He is the man for whom all should praise as a damn fine drummer, an innovator of the modern trap set, the trend setter that allowed drummers to be noticed and, ultimately, become band leaders. He is one of the greats.

He (Buddy and Louie) gave ample and justified praise to the likes of Chick Web, Big Cid Catlett, Warren "Baby" Dodds and Papa Jo Jones as the masters who deserved recognition for their contribution to the art of drumming.

Drumming is a living thing that doesn't stop and start with one person. It feeds on every one of us who picks up the sticks and tries to create something - good or bad.

Sorry for the tangents.

Scatman 01-05-2007 06:25 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
Gene told Marie not to marry Buddy
If I was Buddy I would be pissed at Gene
I'm surprised they they stayed friends after that little episode
Gene was not being Buddy's friend
It looked like sour grapes to me

Vinnysimmo 02-02-2008 06:00 PM

Re: Gene Krupa the music man
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanky12 (Post 23723)
Gene Krupa once said if the crowd can't dance while i'm soloing i feel like i failed playing that solo.

And thats why he is one of my favorite drumers. Great attitude!

Prezfan 02-26-2009 09:25 PM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
I'm not a drummer. I play saxophone, but I love listening to a good drummer and Gene Krupa is one of my all-time favorites. Krupa always swung like mad and even if his technichal skills were not as good as Buddy Rich, his taste is impeccable and his sense of swing is just awesome.

Here's two videos that I love watching over and over:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRjQzSwmEHw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHr4XQ9SEcg

Ian Williams 02-26-2009 11:59 PM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DogBreath (Post 7849)
Without a doubt. I have six drummer's pictures on the wall in my drum room. Gene is up there, Buddy is not.

Can you mention, the other five drummers left on the wall?

Thanks & Regards,

Ian Williams 02-27-2009 12:56 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
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Buddy Rich once said that Gene was the "beginning and the end of all jazz drummers."

Louie Bellson said of Gene, "He was a wonderful, kind man and a great player. He brought drums to the foreground. He is still a household name."

Cheers,

RogerLudwig 02-27-2009 12:57 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
I posted this on January 15th, Gene's 100th birthday, but I put it on the general discussion board....sorry I didn't find this thread sooner:

"Well folks, today is the day. And in the words of the immortal Buddy Rich:

"Every drummer in the world should stand up, face Yonkers and bow because if it wasn't for Gene we'd all be just timekeepers"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9J5Zt2Obko

wfltop 01-12-2010 02:50 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
Yes he was one of the greatest Drummer. In the year 1970 i was a little kid and have seen all this music movies in TV with him and all this famos musican,i was inspired i think.and this great Song sing,sing sing follows me all over the years. Yesterday i start to learn it and it feels great for me.So much power and great Horn section wow.
greetings

wy yung 01-12-2010 03:34 AM

Re: Genie Krupa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Neaux (Post 7616)
I believe he was also "instrumental"(pun intended ;P) in the development of the tunable tom-toms, the hi-hat and is believed to be the first to actually record with a bass drum in the studio. And he did make the drums a solo instrument and was responsible for making the drummer a highly respected and high paid musician. As Buddy once said about Gene: "Gene was a great, great genius of the drums.....Can you imagine jazz without Gene?" Here's to Mr. Showmanship himself, Gene Krupa!!!

Gene was not responsible for the hi hat. Cannot remember the guy's name but I think he was in Fletcher Henderson's band at the time.

My mother was a huge fan of Gene and I began hearing about him at a very early age. I was listening to Goodman when in nappies.

Gene's place in drumming is etched in stone. Many today do not realize what a star he was. Until Ringo came on the scene Gene Krupa was the most famous drummer alive and possibly the only drummer known to the general public. Now before people mention Buddy, he was very well known to drummers, but not to the public at large. When the guy in the street thought of a drummer, it was Gene Krupa. Think of it this way, Hollywood makes movies about Ray Charles, Johnny Cash, Glenn Miller etc. Well, they also made one about Gene Krupa. THAT was how big he was.

I am sure we've spoken about him at DW before.

grigorianz 03-16-2011 09:13 AM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
Gene was a great, great genius of the drums.....

Lex 03-16-2011 12:14 PM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
I cannot believe a thread on Gene Krupa is so small... One of the greatest drummers to have ever draw breath. Proved that drummers can be more then just timekeepers and he single handedly made the drums popular with the general public. He's a legend.

Isn't there another (quite possibly larger) thread on him? I mean, Gene Krupa, and just ONE page!?

sticks4drums 03-16-2011 03:45 PM

Re: Gene Krupa
 
My dad met Gene Krupa years ago. My father played the trumpet and loved the big band stuff. He was so taken buy Gene that he named my older brother after the man. I ended up staying with the drums and I am named after Glen Cambell. :(


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