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Ashton Drum's 12-19-2010 11:11 PM

R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
The great Captain Beefheart January 15, 1941 - December 17, 2010 gone at 69 years young very sad day indeed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21voUGVzym4

con struct 12-19-2010 11:24 PM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
I've been soaking up his music for the last couple of days. It's just as new now as it was thirty years ago.

Very deep music with some of the most skewed drum tracks ever recorded.

I'd like to see one of our guys here do a cover of Pachuco Cadaver.

Thaard 12-19-2010 11:37 PM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
Anyone read about his magic band and how he treated them?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiki
The group rehearsed Van Vliet's difficult compositions for eight months, living communally in a small rented house in the Woodland Hills suburb of Los Angeles. Van Vliet implemented his vision by asserting complete artistic and emotional domination of his musicians. At various times one or another of the group members was put "in the barrel," with Van Vliet berating him continually, sometimes for days, until the musician collapsed in tears or in total submission to Van Vliet.[4] According to John French and Bill Harkleroad these sessions often included physical violence. French described the situation as "cultlike"[5] and a visiting friend said "the environment in that house was positively Manson-esque."[6] Their material circumstances also were dire. With no income other than welfare and contributions from relatives, the group survived on a bare subsistence diet. French recounted living on no more than a small cup of soybeans a day for a month[7] and at one point band members were arrested for shoplifting food (with Zappa bailing them out).[8] A visitor described their appearance as "cadaverous" and said that "they all looked in poor health." Band members were restricted from leaving the house and practiced for 14 or more hours a day.


con struct 12-19-2010 11:49 PM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
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Originally Posted by Thaard (Post 778119)
Anyone read about his magic band and how he treated them?

That's a very old story and very much not at all true. Wikipedia needs to throw that junk out. And that is all I'm going to say about it.

Pollyanna 12-20-2010 02:36 AM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
Very sad, but I guess at this age the heroes from our youth tend to either become decrepit or fall off the perch. Time sucks. Anyway, Don vV had quit music a long time ago to focus on his art.

There was no one like the Captain. I had the Shiny Beast album - some great tracks on it ... Bat Chain Puller, Tropical Hot Dog Night and Suction Prints was an amazing instrumental. I always loved the crazy rhythms he'd get his drummers to play.

I also loved his nuts soprano sax playing. He played it on a song by The Tubes (before they got desperate to pay the rent) called Cathy's Clone and he really helped give that track its vibe. My fave song by the band.

And I still maintain that Fleetwood Mac pinched the riff and feel of Aba Zaba in Tusk.

con struct 12-20-2010 02:52 AM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
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Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 778182)
Very sad, but I guess at this age the heroes from our youth tend to either become decrepit or fall off the perch.

Still, 69 is pretty young. He'd been quite ill for many years, though. Multiple Sclerosis.

Pollyanna 12-20-2010 08:25 AM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
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Originally Posted by con struct (Post 778188)
Still, 69 is pretty young. He'd been quite ill for many years, though. Multiple Sclerosis.

Just heard the news on the car radio yesterday and then I got distracted by something and forgot. Yes, you're right, thanks. Guess my point was that a lot of musos lead ... interesting lives, which ages them faster than usual. Seen a lot of famous age peers fall off the perch. Of course the Captain couldn't help MS, poor bugger. Horrible disease but at least he doesn't have to deal with it any more.

On a more upbeat note, here are some of my Captn faves:

Bat Chain Puller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj3yGg899h0 ... I didn't like this at all for years but I listened to it for the first time again about a year ago and fell in love. No one else sounds like that and the atmosphere is unbelievable.

Cathy's Clone, with Don vV on soprano sax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCL9XFfYTns

I saw him with Uncle Frank in the mid 70s at the Hordern Pavilion, but all I can remember of the gig is Zappa's lead playing being miles high in the mix, Napoleon Murphy Brock carrying on like a pork chop, a young Terry Bozzio playing his toms amazingly, and being utterly confused by this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAwQRtQdhrE

BassDriver 12-20-2010 01:46 PM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
That's pretty sad, I heard him as the crazy voice singing on a few crazy Zappa tunes.

Pollyanna 12-21-2010 12:43 PM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BassDriver (Post 778324)
That's pretty sad, I heard him as the crazy voice singing on a few crazy Zappa tunes.

Yep, my first experience too ... although he was hardly alone as a crazy voice in Uncle Frank's Bands :)

Another side of him - this is a great instrumental with heaps of weird, funky rhythms and some very Zappa-ish moments and changes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8jfnyOyqX8

With the loss of both Frank and Don one can only fear for the future of trombonists ...

PQleyR 12-28-2010 01:36 AM

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At least he and Frank can team up again now.

oaklandrichie 12-28-2010 03:05 AM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
That tragic band period in the video above is kinda sad. These were the golden days:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFMjztFBSzM

The best thing zappa ever did was produce Trout Mask Replica.

paistemage 01-13-2011 07:27 PM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
Safe as milk really opened up many doors for me musically.

Trout mask replica i am not so familiar with, but from what I heard i liked.

As far as Frank goes= I could write a book. But then I would have to write another book.

The caliber of musicianship among either of these two is immense.

Zoot Allures! I always liked the snare sound on Safe as milk. Sounds like old Ludwigs to me.

aaajn 01-14-2011 12:19 PM

Re: R*I*P Captain Beefheart
 
He had a great quote on David Letterman, evidently he only had a half day of Kindergarten as his formal education.

Quote was: If you want to be a different fish, you have to jump out of school.

Starting bucking the system as a 5 year old. Amazing.


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