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Pass.of.E.r.a. 12-11-2010 05:01 PM

Sleeping with a Click
 
So recently I read in an interview that it was supposedly beneficial to sleep with a metronome on all night. Has anyone on this forum tried it, and if so is their any "side effects" I should be wary of?

-Jonathan

bobdadruma 12-11-2010 05:07 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
I think that that would be considered a form of torture if prisoners were forced to sleep with a click.
I don't think that there is any advantage to sleeping with a click.
It will cause you to wake up and lose sleep.

GRUNTERSDAD 12-11-2010 05:08 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
I'm guessing you need to play with a click to get your body in harmony with the click. You may sleep walk in rhythm, but I'm not sure how this translates to playing. Do this enough and you will never sleep without a click.

bobdadruma 12-11-2010 05:15 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
When we are playing a musical instrument we are working the brain and the muscles together.
In order to learn a skill one has to be alert and awake.

Mapex----Maniac 12-11-2010 05:15 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
*Tick Toc Tick Toc* SHUT THAT THING UP HONEY! But I'm practicing!

eddiehimself 12-11-2010 06:49 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Sounds like a waste of time to me. You can listen to a metronome 24/7 but unless you actively practice hitting your drums/percussion in time with it then it's not gonna do no good imo.

Thaard 12-11-2010 06:59 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
"Hey baby, is that you tickin' or are you just happy to see me?"

DrumEatDrum 12-11-2010 07:12 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
I can't say I really see the benefit.

It would keep me up all night.

bermuda 12-11-2010 07:38 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
At what tempo would you listen? Getting one tempo locked into your subconscious could harm your ability to lock into other tempos.

Bermuda

larryace 12-11-2010 09:30 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
I'm gonna go against the flow here and say that, if you have the mental fortitude to listen to it...it will at the very minimum, ingrain in your head what a steady pulse sounds like. If you mentally practice, it's almost as good as actually practicing. OK listening to a click isn't mentally practicing, but you could subdivide in your head to the click. That's a form of practice. They say someone who mentally practices anything, take basketball for instance, as opposed to physically practicing basketball, can get many, but not all of the same benefits as real practice. I really don't think it could hurt any, and actually might ingrain what steady meter sounds like. Nothing wrong there.
I did it. For one night lol. It gets old quick. And if you sleep w/ anybody....that will be a good test of their tolerance.

diegobxr 12-11-2010 11:19 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Mmmm...

I'm pretty sure it would do a lot more harm than good. But of course it depends on the volume. Some years ago I had in my bedroom one of those old alarm clocks (the ones with the little bells on top) that was very loud. I didn't mind it at all, but whenever a friend stayed over they asked me how the hell I could sleep with that thing on, and I had to take it out of the room..

Anyway, I wouldn't do it. Cheers.

Pocket-full-of-gold 12-12-2010 12:42 AM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Man.....did I misread the title of this thread or what. :-)

Interesting idea......but really, there's only one way to find out. Why not try it and tell us your findings in a months or so?

Personally, I wouldn't bother. Bermuda raises a good point. At what tempo? Sure it may help internalise a pulse as Larry has suggested, but by sleeping through it and not playing along with that pulse, there is no reference point for your body to adhere to.

I'm not sold, but if you think it might help, what have you got to loose by giving it a shot?

thatoneguy 12-12-2010 01:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold (Post 775120)
Man.....did I misread the title of this thread or what. :-)

Hah, zing! Wishful thinking?

Pollyanna 12-12-2010 01:53 AM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold
Man.....did I misread the title of this thread or what. :-)

If the c in click was lower case, I'd understand, but it seems that you either need glasses or to ponder the fate of your wretched soul :)

You could increase by 1 or 2 bpm nightly. I find it hard to imagine resting well at 300bpm ... maybe best not to go past 120bpm (standard clock tick)? I'd also want a bland, mellow sound for sanity's sake. Or great music played with good time ...

I have to say that once you've had a snoning partner who produced death metal growls at stadium volume all [expletive] night, then a little metronome ticking is no biggie ...

Pass.of.E.r.a. 12-12-2010 03:15 AM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bermuda (Post 775017)
At what tempo would you listen? Getting one tempo locked into your subconscious could harm your ability to lock into other tempos.

Bermuda

Yeah this was my main concern, and the reason I wanted to ask around first. I never really intended to do this (especially long term), I just thought it might be an interesting idea to help improve my internal metronome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pocket-full-of-gold (Post 775120)
Man.....did I misread the title of this thread or what. :-)

I'm not sold, but if you think it might help, what have you got to loose by giving it a shot?

Haha, I thought of the same thing the moment I hit "Submit Thread".

Like I said I'm not gonna try it, and I don't have much to lose. :)

Thanks for all the replies!

-Jonathan

PQleyR 12-12-2010 04:39 AM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
I heard that Steve Vai trained himself to have perfect pitch by going to sleep listening to one note of a chromatic scale every night for twelve nights. Not sure if that's true, but it sounds about right. Maybe the same thing is possible with drums. Perhaps a loud clock is a better option though, I used to have one of those when I was small and couldn't sleep without it!
60bpm is as good a tempo as any. Maybe a slower one would be better, after all, good timing is about putting accurate spaces between the notes. The faster you get, the less important microtiming becomes.

Tommyland 12-12-2010 03:40 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Supposedly benefitial...

This just sounds awfully similar to the “subliminal learning” programs, where if you go to sleep listening to say, a foreign language, or general knowledge questions, your subconscious will still be able to assimilate the information and you can be learning while your brain sleeps. But subjects that have been tested on this showed no noticable improvement.

What interview did that OP come from? I'm betting it wasn't something that has any scientific data to back it up. This sounds like the correlation/causation fallacy, usually defended by “well, it worked for me!” when you try and point out the specious reasoning behing it.

Like in the Simpsons episode about the bear patrol (Much Apu About Nothing).

Lisa: “By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.”
Homer (confused): “Hmm; how does it work?”
Lisa: “It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock!”
Homer: “Uh-huh.”
Lisa: “… but I don’t see any tigers around, do you?”
(pause) Homer: “Lisa, I want to buy your rock…”

Even if you did go to sleep with a metronome but were practising during the day as well, there is no evidence to suggest that listening to it at night has any improvement. Unfortunately, many people in interviews are false authorities. Just look at celebs who give opinions on political matters they obviously haven't read-up on, but people give their views more credence because of who they are.

razorx 12-12-2010 04:27 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
When I wanted to learn a new song I used to sleep with my headphones in with the song on repeat. It worked for me.

Bernhard 12-12-2010 06:25 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
I suggest: don't do it!


Bernhard

Tommyland 12-12-2010 07:02 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by razorx (Post 775324)
When I wanted to learn a new song I used to sleep with my headphones in with the song on repeat. It worked for me.

I also did this when learning songs years ago (though I think what made me memorise them off was consciously listening to them).

Here are a few questions you should ask:

1. How many times did you hear the song before you finally nodded off?

2. Were you just listening to it exclusively at night in this fashion or did you have a few listens at other times too?

3. How complex were the songs?

There are just so many other variables here that you’re not accounting for. Repetition while awake is one thing; but while you’re asleep is quite another.

There’s a rather loud motivational industry out there that will convince you subliminal learning works but is that because it appeals to our instant gratification (a shortcut to learning) or because it is backed up with empirical evidence that demonstrates its effectiveness? Despite numerous studies demonstrating that subliminal tapes are worthless, people continue buying them in large numbers.

In saying all this, listening to songs at night isn't worthless. With your eyes closed and the music getting your (near full) undivided attention, it will count as a normal listen but once you fall asleep, it’s lights out!

But the OP was questioning how listening to a click at night would improve his skillset. I don’t even think listening to a click by itself when you’re awake is much good.

The best way to gain skill with a click, is to practise drums to a click.

Pass.of.E.r.a. 12-13-2010 05:15 AM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommyland (Post 775314)
Supposedly benefitial...
What interview did that OP come from?

The interview came from Drumhead Magazine September-October 2010 issue, in the interview with Victor Indrizzo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tommyland (Post 775314)
Like in the Simpsons episode about the bear patrol (Much Apu About Nothing).

Lisa: “By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.”
Homer (confused): “Hmm; how does it work?”
Lisa: “It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock!”
Homer: “Uh-huh.”
Lisa: “… but I don’t see any tigers around, do you?”
(pause) Homer: “Lisa, I want to buy your rock…”

Brilliant! Gotta love the simpsons!

As I said earlier I don't plan on trying it, I was just curious to see what DW had to say.

-Jonathan

Tommyland 12-13-2010 03:39 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
And asking questions should always be commended. Plus, yours was a genuine question; it's not like you asked whether snake oil would make you faster.

In the world of Victor Indrizzo, sleeping with a click on at night might work for him, but anecdotal evidence doesn’t make very good science. But the problem is that personal testimony from people we respect can spread like wildfire. It’s why many organisations try and recruit celebrities in their promotional campaigns (both the good and bad variety).

keep it simple 12-13-2010 04:13 PM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pass.of.E.r.a. (Post 774943)
is their any "side effects" I should be wary of?

-Jonathan

Your partner might want everything performed at 200bpm from now on, lol!

larryace 12-14-2010 02:40 AM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Hmmm interesting idea...doinking your favorite person to the click. So honey, what BPM are you in the mood for tonight?

Pollyanna 12-14-2010 03:12 AM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
Just goes to show that most rhythms in life are not metronomic.

Accelerando and ritardando applies, depending on our feelings - be it heart rate, breathing, or whatever the hell it is that you guys are talking about ...

bobdadruma 12-14-2010 03:21 AM

Re: Sleeping with a Click
 
The thing that came to my mind at first when I read this thread was putting a puppy to bed with a ticking clock so that he would think that it was his mothers heartbeat and he would sleep! LOL


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