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magand 07-02-2005 09:47 PM

The Grand Master Buddy Rich
 
Does anybody master the Buddy Rich trick that jo jo mayer is talking about in one of his videos in drummerworld? Its insane. would be fun to do, to show off your skillz.

funked_up 07-03-2005 05:19 AM

Re: The Buddy Rich trick
 
hey dude,
i just got it down. i watched thomas lang creative control dvd, and that explains it a bit better IMO. especially with the triplets. LRR LRR LRR that is muhc easier for me on the stick trick.

aahznightsky 07-03-2005 05:39 AM

Re: The Buddy Rich trick
 
its pretty much just moeller technique or something similar, when your wrist comes down the stick rebounds up and you use your fingers to control the stick for another hit as your wrist comes up

Raymond Bloom 07-03-2005 10:08 PM

Re: The Buddy Rich trick
 
Actually it is called Gladstone technique (open - close, push-pull, reverse srtoke etc)

Check out Gordy Knudtson @http://www.paiste.com/artists/
There is a small clip where he shows perfectly what it is all about...though, there are many options how to do that, for example, Jojo Mayer does that in French grip, but Gordy - in German...

Bernhard 07-03-2005 11:00 PM

Re: The Buddy Rich trick
 
Did you see, that everywhere on the paiste-website they refer to drummerworld?

Bernhard

Raymond Bloom 07-03-2005 11:02 PM

Re: The Buddy Rich trick
 
yeah! http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/i...ons/icon10.gif

That would be weird if they wouldn't! http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/i...cons/icon7.gif

Colin 07-04-2005 06:51 AM

Re: The Buddy Rich trick
 
I can do the Gladstone technique in both matched and traditional grip. It makes for incredibly fast double strokes!

Freddie Freeloader 07-06-2005 01:14 PM

Re: The Buddy Rich trick
 
when i saw that jojo clip where he demonstrates the technique.... i tried my best to do the same thing, but just couldn't. i eventually gave up.
hahahaha.

michael h 07-10-2005 07:18 AM

Re: The Buddy Rich trick
 
I have been working on it for about 9 months. I hit my peek in speed about 4 months into it. I don't have it as fast a JO JO, but fast enough for my needs. The first guy I saw do it live was Bill Stewart obviously not the first guy to do it. I then saw Ari Hoenig do it and asked him about it when I took some lessons from him last yr. He showed me that it was just like the drop catch technique of the double stroke roll and that you just straighten it out. He doesn't have it super fast either but he really utilizes it in his playing and very musical with it. It took a while to get used to and once I could do it slow I try doing things against it with other limbs like Ted Reeds Syncopation with jazz swing and Samba feels. Also did some rock grooves out of Carmine Appices book too playing 16ths on the hi hat or ride. After a few months of that I just started to use it in my own ideas. The books were a good start though.

I have a hard time doing it with my right hand traditional(I'm a lefty) grip. I need to spend time on that. I may get a gig on a cruise ship soon for a while so if that happens I will have plenty of time to practice it..lol! It's funny because I can do it a bit better with my right hand matched( my week hand) than I can with my left. I got obsesive about 12 yrs ago with the whole finger technique thing and would practice my right hand in the car everywhere I would drive. (That was all that gladstone type technique though. You know down! down! down! Like dribbling a basket ball.) A couple of yrs later my fingers were better in my right hand but my left wrist is still stronger. I wish I knew about the Buddy Rich technique trick then, I think I would have it better and faster because I was younger and more focused on just hand technique.

CartersChops 07-11-2005 06:29 AM

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haha dude i wanna learn that soo bad...that video was so helpful,,, i couldnt really tell how jojo was doing it, but that video was very clear

Bashkin 07-11-2005 10:52 AM

Re: The Buddy Rich trick
 
what video?

RTDRUMS 07-21-2005 03:46 PM

The Grand Master Buddy Rich
 
Why when I look at this section I dont see Buddy Rich? Well Im sure Im not the only BR fan here.

I met Buddy when I was Seven. He played at a festival In my home town. This was two years before he died. The guy is the tops as far as Im concerned, Just watch any video clip and you'll see what I mean.

Im sure there are some people here that know what Im talking about. But for all of you kids who like Peart, Portnoy, or any bad ass drummer around today. Its likely Buddy Rich had some kind of influence on them.

So do yourself a favor and check out Buddy Rich right here at drummerworld or look at the offical BR web site.www.buddyrich.com

enjoy

Rudy McRudster 07-21-2005 05:17 PM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
He certainly is an influence to every drummer around today. It would be foolish to say that everyone, at least once, tried to do the hi-hat trick that he does in the Lost Westside Story Tapes.

Superlow 07-21-2005 09:24 PM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
Buddy is to drums what Babe Ruth is to baseball. A legend larger than life. Certainly there have been limits pushed by many drummers who are considered more technically proficient. However no one pulled off such amazing feats with the showmanship that Buddy did. He had character and wit beyond what most drummer have these day's.

Rudy McRudster 07-21-2005 10:54 PM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
That's really true. I'll always remember one day when I was talking to a friend and he said, "Aww man, but look at Joey Jordison's solo. He spun around, that's really original and hard to do". And I just simply said, "Yeah, well Buddy Rich was flipped around and upside-down numerous times and his solo didn't change at all."

slingerlandradioking55 07-22-2005 02:27 AM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
Buddy Rich is the best drummer that ever lived. I love everything he did, especially the albums he did with other drummers like Max Roach and Gene Krupa. His stuff was very original and had a lot of impact. I don't think there will ever be another drummer like Buddy Rich, he was one of a kind.

RTDRUMS 07-22-2005 04:18 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by slingerlandradioking55
Buddy Rich is the best drummer that ever lived. I love everything he did, especially the albums he did with other drummers like Max Roach and Gene Krupa. His stuff was very original and had a lot of impact. I don't think there will ever be another drummer like Buddy Rich, he was one of a kind.

I couldnt agree more. Thanks to BR

RTDRUMS 07-22-2005 04:33 AM

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Keep in mind, he was drumming with equipment( bassdrum & HHpedal, hardware, mics or the lack there of and a huundred other things) that doesnt even compare with stuff we have to day. Imagine BR playing on Bozzio or Pearts kit or even a V-Drumset.

check out my shield and pinstrips tattoo thread in my place.

Henry II 07-22-2005 05:20 AM

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Buddy Rich was a force of nature, arguably the greatest drummer who ever lived. Further, IMHO, he was arguably the greatest musician who ever lived. Without a doubt, there is no other drummer who had, or has, the musical vocabulary that Buddy Rich had. Moreover, I've never heard BR play wrong note. Everything he played was perfect for the context he was in. As for chops, BR in the 60's was untouchable. JMHO.

Dr. Neaux 07-22-2005 07:05 AM

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Buddy was an all-around great entertainer. If you read about him, or have read about him, you'll find out that he was once thought to be the highest paid child entertainer in the world. The man performed his first drum solo at the age of 18 months old for cryin out loud! Watch a video of Buddy and then watch any other drummer and there's no comparison. He may have well been the arrogant, mean cuss that people who knew him or played with him said he was, but the guy was the best ever! I don't think we'll ever see anyone that good ever again. As Phil Collins said: "He(Buddy) was a one-off."

finnhiggins 07-22-2005 08:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry II
Without a doubt, there is no other drummer who had, or has, the musical vocabulary that Buddy Rich had.

I'm not buying that.

He's an astounding player and his chops are phenomenal. But musical vocabulary? He's not a patch on Vinnie Colaiuta in that respect, to name but one. He never had much in the way of rock chops, indeed he expressed great loathing for the style on many occasions. I've never seen footage of him playing any convincing latin material either. And likewise I don't recall seeing any of Elvin or Tony's innovations making their way into his jazz time playing.

He was an enormous big band drummer, there's few who could touch him on that ground. And his soloing chops were jaw dropping too. But if you're going to put him forward as the kind of stylistic versility and musical vocabulary then we're going to have to disagree. His range was really rather limited compared to many drummers today, he just had astounding control inside that range.

Clark 07-26-2005 08:13 PM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
Let's rephrase it, I guess. I feel that this metric modulation and other concepts of this ilk don't swing. It sounds like math equations worked out. Buddy not only swung but
none of the "big" name drummers of today come close to his(Buddy's) chops.

P.S. Earlier I hadn't seen this thread and posted a new one that vanished.

largo61 08-06-2005 04:32 AM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
I am amazed at how few people replied to this. I am even more amazed that it took so long for someone to make a thread on Buddy Rich. I am only 15. I was never alive at the same time as him. I feel that I would have more friends in the drummer world if I was born a few decades ago. Buddy Rich is by far the best drummer ever. And now a-days all I hear about is how Travis Barker or Joey Jordison are the greatest drummers ever. At least from people my age. I have grown to hate most Blink 182 and Slipknot fans because they are soo close minded. They refuse to listen to Buddy Rich. And not because he plays jazz or because he doesn't play death metal. It is because he died. They don't think a dead drummer could be good. Buddy Rich is faster with better technique then any drummer I have ever heard. His arogence and the willingness to back it up. He not only a great drummer. He is an icon. There should be a bronze statue of him somewhere. No drummer has influenced more modern drummers and non-drummers than anyone.

Buddy Rich is drumming with the gods.

toteman2 08-06-2005 05:49 AM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
Buddy is than man, no doubt...It's true alot of younger drummers don't care to hear him...To me he os one of the great pioneers of the instrument...I do think he really was a jerk though...Not showing others how to do the famous 1 handed roll? Seems a bit arrogant...I also think claiming he is the greatest drummer ever hands down is beyond arrogant...Like eveything else, drumming has evolved and gotten better with time and knowledge...

Barry 08-06-2005 05:58 AM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by toteman2
Not showing others how to do the famous 1 handed roll? Seems a bit arrogant...I also think claiming he is the greatest drummer ever hands down is beyond arrogant

Those are some of the least bad things about him. I like his playing though.

darkcherryfade 08-06-2005 07:00 AM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
I'm with finnighins on the musical vocabulary point. But I do think Buddy probably played greater within the range of what he did than practically all other drummers within the range of what they do. In that I'd say he's as close as it comes to holding the title of "best drummer", although I believe noone ever will. I do wonder how Buddy would have played if he'd have been born in, let's say the 60's or 70's and grown up hearing all the popular styles and all the big name drummers of the time through today. Would he be another Vinnie, Dennis, Steve Smith, etc.? Would he be better? Worse? Heh, wunderring stuhf iz kewl.

Dill X 08-07-2005 05:54 PM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
Buddy Rich was an unbelievable drummer. Without a doubt one of the greatest drummers to ever live, and he had an influence over almost the entire drumming community. I don't that one person has not tried to copy one of his moves or tricks.

I try to copy his arm crossover move which he does about five times as fast as me. I wish I could play like Buddy Rich because he could solo so well. It seemed like he had endless ideas of what to play during his drum solos. It's just amazing.

PearlDrummer014 08-07-2005 06:33 PM

Re: The Grand Master BR
 
the buddy rich live video were he plays both sides of his hi hats is what i think one of the best vidieos on the entire site

laurence_drummer 08-09-2005 12:18 PM

buddy rich
 
tell me what you think!!

thanks!

Bernhard 08-09-2005 01:00 PM

Re: buddy rich
 
Hmm - not sure. I think he was a singer with a Big-Band, forgot the name. And his daughter can sing also.

Bernhard

Lambo 08-09-2005 03:19 PM

Re: buddy rich
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernhard
Hmm - not sure. I think he was a singer with a Big-Band, forgot the name. And his daughter can sing also.

Bernhard

This is true. I remember seeing footage of a video where he was dangled upside down by a rope and swung over a TV audience while in the peak of a barritone vocal solo....

Bernhard 08-09-2005 03:27 PM

Re: buddy rich
 
Ahh - now I remember - appeared also in the Jerry Lewis Show and Muppet Show..

Must be a comedian so..

Bernhard

Jaymasta 08-10-2005 11:04 PM

Re: buddy rich
 
he always came down to montreal to play at the Jazz festival. I watched one of his tapes from the montreal jazz fest and it was amazing! I can tell he liked to come down to montreal

JW89 08-11-2005 02:38 AM

Re: The Grand Master Buddy Rich
 
Buddy Rich makes me wanna throw the sticks down and stop playing, the stuff he puts together is amazing, lol

Lambo 08-11-2005 03:03 AM

Re: The Grand Master Buddy Rich
 
I have heard stories of him berating guests on Johnny Carson's show... where would you get this footage???

Thinshells 08-11-2005 07:38 PM

Re: The Grand Master Buddy Rich
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambo
I have heard stories of him berating guests on Johnny Carson's show... where would you get this footage???

Well, here is a clip of him in a drum battle vs Ed Shaughnessy on the Tonight show...

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers...aughnessy.html

Lambo 08-11-2005 07:52 PM

Re: The Grand Master Buddy Rich
 
I have to say, I think Ed was my favourite in that battle... Buddy repeats himself a bit too much. Just MHO.

Thinshells 08-11-2005 07:58 PM

Re: The Grand Master Buddy Rich
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambo
I have to say, I think Ed was my favourite in that battle... Buddy repeats himself a bit too much. Just MHO.

I think I liked some things about Ed better,,,

Ed played a bigger kit with two kicks. Nothing wrong with Buddy's kit (except the inexplicable dual 16" floor toms, only one of which he ever used. The other was a towel rack.) But Ed showed more melodic possibilities, and tom work, not just snare-centric stuff.

He reads music and composes, and seemed to be a more versatile and sophisticated musician. I always wondered why his tom sizes were out of order. He explained it like he was playing a piano.

I like the sound of Ed's kit better. Buddy's sounded flat.

Ed seems like a more likeable guy.

Lambo 08-11-2005 08:17 PM

Re: The Grand Master Buddy Rich
 
Yes, I'd like to shake his hand...seems like an amicable bloke. He's 76 now...I wonder how he's doing healthwise. Well I hope...

Lambo 08-11-2005 08:22 PM

Re: The Grand Master Buddy Rich
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinshells
He reads music and composes, and seemed to be a more versatile and sophisticated musician.

Yes, as Sabian Cymbals put it, "The world's most versatile drummer".


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