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The Bassist 11-28-2010 08:07 PM

Mbira tines
 
Hello,

I haven't really posted anything on these forums for a long time, so I think I'm going to start up again, starting with this question:

So recently I've discovered the Array Mbira on YouTube and want one myself. However, on discovery of the rediculous pricing of $2000+, I have decided that I want to make my own. I understand the general assembly at this point and how I would go about tuning it, but I don't know what I should make the tines out of to get a nice tone. They are supposed to be made out of a "high carbon spring steel" alloy, and I would like to know, where do I get such material?

Any feedback will be appreciated, and I hope to get back to posting soon.

Garvin 11-28-2010 08:27 PM

Re: Mbira tines
 
Cool. Never seen one of those before. I have a 25 key Mbira that I had to completely take apart and rebuild in order to tune correctly. There are lots of good schematics for tuning online. In terms of finding the material, go to a metal shop, or find a welder, or metalworker and ask them where they get their supplies. There are probably more shops than you realize really close to you. You can buy large pieces of spring steel, but cutting, shaping and finishing it will be another huge part of the project. You may already have the tools though.

I can definitely see why the instrument in the clip was so expensive. It was not only tuned perfectly, but there were some really intricate engineering done to the keys themselves. Definitely a pro job. Good luck. Post more if you decide to undertake this. Mbira is a really beautiful instrument.

EDIT

I re-read your original question. High carbon spring steel is not the ONLY metal you can use. You could always use cheaper metal i.e. aluminum. Or find scrap steel in a junk yard. Might be cheaper to buy a couple of car hoods to cut up and experiment with first.

GRUNTERSDAD 11-28-2010 09:05 PM

Re: Mbira tines
 
I have a kalimba which is a gourd with 8 metal tines on it. Somewhat the same sound but obviously not as big.

The Bassist 11-29-2010 12:52 AM

Re: Mbira tines
 
Thanks for the replies!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garvin (Post 770374)
Cool. Never seen one of those before. I have a 25 key Mbira that I had to completely take apart and rebuild in order to tune correctly. There are lots of good schematics for tuning online. In terms of finding the material, go to a metal shop, or find a welder, or metalworker and ask them where they get their supplies. There are probably more shops than you realize really close to you. You can buy large pieces of spring steel, but cutting, shaping and finishing it will be another huge part of the project. You may already have the tools though.

I can definitely see why the instrument in the clip was so expensive. It was not only tuned perfectly, but there were some really intricate engineering done to the keys themselves. Definitely a pro job. Good luck. Post more if you decide to undertake this. Mbira is a really beautiful instrument.

EDIT

I re-read your original question. High carbon spring steel is not the ONLY metal you can use. You could always use cheaper metal i.e. aluminum. Or find scrap steel in a junk yard. Might be cheaper to buy a couple of car hoods to cut up and experiment with first.

I dunno, I still feel like that's a great deal of money for what is essentially hollow wood and metal strips (however beautiful it sounds or finely tuned it is... I have other things I'd like to dish that kind of money out on now)
That aside, thanks for the advice. I'll start looking around for some metals to maybe use. Am I right in assuming that the metals won't be in flattened strips when buying? It doesn't really matter though, I have tools that can be used to shape it. I think I may start with aluminum though since it seems that there's a roll of aluminum (could be zinc... it isn't labled) wire in my basement. I assumed aluminum wouldn't have enough spring to it to work right, but it's worth a try.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD (Post 770383)
I have a kalimba which is a gourd with 8 metal tines on it. Somewhat the same sound but obviously not as big.

I think they are the same thing. I'm going to mostly base this on these instructions, which explain right of the bat that they are the same. But, going through that, it shows many different materials for the tines, followed by a video with all different ones (sounds aweful in my opinion haha), so regardless of the material, it's still the same instrument. Based on something I read somewhere (don't remember where) not all materials will give a good note range, so I need to find something that can get the full 4 octaves I'm looking for. Do you by any chance know what the tines on your are made out of?

Garvin 11-29-2010 01:38 AM

Re: Mbira tines
 
I don't think that the wood is hollow... I'm guessing there's a pickup on that thing. If it's based at all off of a traditional Mbira, then the wood is solid. Most of the kalimba instruments that people buy use aluminum.

The Bassist 11-29-2010 02:00 AM

Re: Mbira tines
 
http://www.thearraymbira.com/images/...5octave1LG.jpg

Definately hollow, though there are solid ones. Does make me think though... how will I record this if I can finish? I'm sure I'll figure something out :P

ah!puch! 02-08-2011 05:03 AM

Re: Mbira tines
 
Beautiful mbira recordings from Zimbabwe!

http://ahpuchrecords.wordpress.com/&...-george-plays/

hope you enjoy!

Deathmetalconga 02-11-2011 01:52 AM

Re: Mbira tines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD (Post 770383)
I have a kalimba which is a gourd with 8 metal tines on it. Somewhat the same sound but obviously not as big.

I have a sweet little kalimba like that too. I have recorded with it. Does yours have holes on the side that you can cover/uncover with your fingers to create warbling?


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