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jfrey 11-21-2010 08:38 PM

Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Hi, I'm brand new so if this is in the wrong place let me know.

I'm getting my first electronic set soon (first drum set of any kind). I'm debating between three models and I'd like some feedback.

Alesis DM6
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Set?sku=620364

Yamaha DTXplorer
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Set?sku=490906

Simmons SD7PK
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Set?sku=585852

Thanks.

Hercules 11-21-2010 10:45 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Look also at the Roland TD-9 with mesh heads (if your budget goes that high).

Roland seem to have the best resale value.

jfrey 11-21-2010 11:14 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hercules (Post 768083)
Look also at the Roland TD-9 with mesh heads (if your budget goes that high).

Roland seem to have the best resale value.

I wish I could afford a Roland. From what I have read those sound like the best. My budget is pretty limited, and I'm only able to buy a set because of the sales going on right now.

bobdadruma 11-22-2010 12:00 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
The high end e-kits are only just OK at best.
The low end e-kits are something that one soon becomes bored with.

I got an email last week to play some freestyle music on a low end e-kit with some cats that are heavily into electronic music.
I flatly turned the invite down.

I told them that I would play as long as I could play my acoustic kit.
They said OK and we played yesterday.

They played all of their electronically enhanced keyboards, Flutes, Saxes, guitars,
vibraphones, and several other things that I don't even know WTF they were.

I played my acoustic kit.
They loved me!
I anchored them with my organic sound.
We are playing again next week.

jfrey 11-22-2010 12:29 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
An ekit is a temporary solution. Because of my living situation I can't get an acoustic set, and because of my current budget I can't get an expensive set. I'm trying to put together a solo album though, and drums are the last bit I need. I play guitar, bass, piano, violin, viola, and if I can do the drums too then everything can finally be finished up.

bobdadruma 11-22-2010 12:44 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Why not just take your project to a studio and play the drum parts on an acoustic kit or a high end e-kit?
Why buy a low end e-kit for one project?
You could possibly rent or borrow a high end e-kit to use for your project

jfrey 11-22-2010 01:00 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Being a one man band makes working in a studio difficult as well. I'd have to make 3 trips to a studio just to bring all my equipment. I also rewrite music on the fly, spending sometimes days refining just a few seconds of instrumental. Studio time would cost me a fortune. Apart from that I do my practicing and writing during the night as I work 10 hours a day for my job, and then do freelance work on top of that as well.

A studio just doesn't work for me, for time or budget.

Also it isn't really just one project. I have in total probably 4 or 5 solo projects in the works, because I like to play everything from classical to tech death.

bobdadruma 11-22-2010 01:15 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
I know that you, (being as musically accomplished as you are) will not be happy with a low end e-kit.

spides666 11-22-2010 01:24 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Like anything in life you get what you pay for.........I've mentioned this many times before but I got the Yamaha DTXtreme III which in my eyes is a high end kit. Equivalent to a TD-12 even the TD-20

Now I have run Toontrack Superior Drummer 2.0 through Pro Tools as a VST plug in and well the module I have bought is just a MIDI controller, I am not using any of the module sounds

This kit is around $5000 Aus Dollars so not cheap and yet I'm triggering another module really...

But all of this is not cheap...........youtube some kits you are considering and looking at higher end ones and you'll hear the difference by a mile

You get what you pay for...

jfrey 11-22-2010 01:34 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
I get what both of you are saying, but it just isn't in my budget right now. I'd like to hone my skills though so that when I can afford a better set - hopefully after my next raise, and after I finally get an 8 string guitar - I can make use of it. And if I eventually end up in a different apartment maybe I'll be able to get an acoustic set. That's all in the future though. All I can get for now is a starter ekit.

bobdadruma 11-22-2010 01:38 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
The thing that surprised me the most about the electro musicians that I played with that I mentioned in my earlier post is this.
I don't think that they really understood my position on playing real drums.
I think that they got the concept of my feelings.
I think that they respected my playing ability.
Deep down inside, I really think that they would have been just as happy if I had played the crap e-kit.
I don't think that they could really hear the difference in the sound of my perfectly tuned maple drums and my hand made Istanbul cymbals.
I think that they are so into the electronic gizmos that they play, that they don't hear the difference.
They are intrigued by electronics, not musical sound quality!

jfrey 11-22-2010 02:10 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
If I could somehow manage to find the money to get a set one step higher would it be worth it?

I'm looking at these:

Roland TD4S
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Set?sku=580565

Yamaha DTXpress IV
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Set?sku=444815

Alesis DM10
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Kit?sku=712761

Simmons SD9K
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Set?sku=483503

harryconway 11-22-2010 04:46 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrey (Post 768047)
Hi, I'm brand new so if this is in the wrong place let me know.

I'm getting my first electronic set soon (first drum set of any kind). I'm debating between three models and I'd like some feedback.

I always tell people to go Roland, or Yamaha .... since Roland is not on your list, my choice would be...

Yamaha DTXplorer
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Set?sku=490906

jofizzm 11-24-2010 02:42 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Yamaha all the way. Simmons feel super cheap, I don't have any experience with Alesis, and with Roland you're just paying for a name. E-kits don't feel like acoustic kits, plain and simple. Rubber heads are "dead" and offer little bounce back, mesh heads give too much. I own a DTXplorer and DTXpress IV and they have never let me down. I cannot say enough good things about them.

scorch whammin 11-24-2010 02:00 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jofizzm (Post 768852)
Yamaha all the way. Simmons feel super cheap, I don't have any experience with Alesis, and with Roland you're just paying for a name. E-kits don't feel like acoustic kits, plain and simple. Rubber heads are "dead" and offer little bounce back, mesh heads give too much. I own a DTXplorer and DTXpress IV and they have never let me down. I cannot say enough good things about them.

Agree!..I've owned both (roland and yamaha)...to my ears the yamaha's are a little more realistic in tone (if setup/edited right in the module)...and are more reasonable than roland...both brands are good though..

pluses/minuses:
1. Yamaha three zone capability on all pads (on higher end models [i.e., dtx900, some pads on dtx500 & dtxpress IV]), two zone and single zone on dtxplorer...roland mostly uses two zone pads (three zone on higher end kits for ride cymbal, however this requires the use of two cables..yamaha, on their three zone kits accomplish this with one cable)
2. roland module interface a little more user friendly (at the begining), however, once you get used to either brand they both have good interfaces and are fairly easy to navigate around on...
3. most roland kits have vex packs that you can purchase..that tweak/enhance the already built in sounds of the module...yamaha on the dtx900 has external kits that you can purchase that are complete replacements of the built-in sounds...that are very nice sounding kits (made by VST companies and yamaha europe)
4. yamaha uses real drums from the company to sample their module sounds...the jury's out on whether roland uses real drum samples or their sounds are just synthesis

droveto 11-25-2010 10:09 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
I vote for the Roland TD-4. There are some good sales happening this weekend and Roland is offering a $200 rebate.

Andrewski 11-30-2010 08:00 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
The store I work at stocks Roland, Alesis, as well a used Simmons kit at the moment.

The Roland TD4's have yet to move. They've gotten a lot of floor attention from the demo models, but the price tag ($899) has pushed a lot of consumers towards the Alesis DM6 and DM7s, which sell for $499 and $599, respectively. The DM6 is pretty much a bare bones kit, with its perks being a USB out for recording direct to a computer. It has tar gum tom pads, which in my opinion have a slightly more realistic feel than plain rubber pads, like you find on the toms of the TD4. The DM7 is a much higher quality kit, with a 3-zone snare pad that allows for soft and hard rim shots, in a realistic manner like you would on an acoustic drum kit. It also has a choke on the crash cymbal, as well as a lot more kit and volume capabilities within the drum over the DM6.

For the money, Alesis is absolutely the way to go. As I said above, the TD4's haven't moved yet, but we're completely sold out of DM6's and DM7's and have 4 more of each on the way, one of which has already been paid for and reserved.

Let me also note I purchased a DM7 myself, as my current living arrangements do not accommodate an acoustic kit.

Davo-London 12-07-2010 05:48 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
The Roland sounds are created not sampled. This is the difference between Yamaha and Roland. Roland sell more kits than any other manufacturer. The Vex kits are amazing but they only provide kits for TD6 upwards.

I agree with Bob that the cheaper e-kits could put you off playing drums. The TD12 + and Yamaha equivalent are a lot of fun to play and will sustain you in your acousticless world.

Davo

Mike Armstrong 12-07-2010 06:27 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
I agree with Davo.

I've owned a Roland TD-12 and together with the relatively cheap (price wise) V Expressions LTD kits, it sounded great. Much, much better than the stock sounds that come with the Roland module.

There's no need to buy new. Many drummers buy electronic kits either because they are new to drumming or because their living situation wont allow for a loud acoustic kit. Those kits are often temporary and end up being sold cheaply in very good condition. Check out CraigsList first.

droveto 12-07-2010 10:03 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrewski (Post 771124)
The store I work at stocks Roland, Alesis, as well a used Simmons kit at the moment.

The Roland TD4's have yet to move. They've gotten a lot of floor attention from the demo models, but the price tag ($899) has pushed a lot of consumers towards the Alesis DM6 and DM7s, which sell for $499 and $599, respectively. The DM6 is pretty much a bare bones kit, with its perks being a USB out for recording direct to a computer. It has tar gum tom pads, which in my opinion have a slightly more realistic feel than plain rubber pads, like you find on the toms of the TD4. The DM7 is a much higher quality kit, with a 3-zone snare pad that allows for soft and hard rim shots, in a realistic manner like you would on an acoustic drum kit. It also has a choke on the crash cymbal, as well as a lot more kit and volume capabilities within the drum over the DM6.

For the money, Alesis is absolutely the way to go. As I said above, the TD4's haven't moved yet, but we're completely sold out of DM6's and DM7's and have 4 more of each on the way, one of which has already been paid for and reserved.

Let me also note I purchased a DM7 myself, as my current living arrangements do not accommodate an acoustic kit.

I've sold 8 TD4's over the last 2 weeks. Alesis doesn't hold up as well as Roland and the modules are not as robust.

RatherBeInCabo 12-08-2010 12:55 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by droveto (Post 769491)
I vote for the Roland TD-4. There are some good sales happening this weekend and Roland is offering a $200 rebate.

I went to the local music store to buy the DTXPLORER today and a Roland rep was actually in the store and the TD4S had a $200 rebate so for end cost of $100 more, I got the Roland. I previously had the TD4SX which I gave to a nephew. I actually like the feel of the rubber pads over the mesh ones..

Davo-London 12-14-2010 05:22 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Nothing wrong with the Roland rubber pads - nice purchase BTW.

When I switched from rubber to mesh I was initially disappointed. However, I think it's just different and I prefer the mesh now.

Davo

Bronzesurfer 12-17-2010 07:50 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 768138)
The thing that surprised me the most about the electro musicians that I played with that I mentioned in my earlier post is this.
I don't think that they really understood my position on playing real drums.
I think that they got the concept of my feelings.
I think that they respected my playing ability.
Deep down inside, I really think that they would have been just as happy if I had played the crap e-kit.
I don't think that they could really hear the difference in the sound of my perfectly tuned maple drums and my hand made Istanbul cymbals.
I think that they are so into the electronic gizmos that they play, that they don't hear the difference.
They are intrigued by electronics, not musical sound quality!

I think you're stereotyping us and making some generalizations there. Creating electronic music involves a lot of experimentation to find the proper "mixes": what kind of effects/sounds to use for certain feels or certain tempos.

Their rationale was that for the particular project, the ability of the e-drums to change voices, to add effects when necessary, and other factors may be why they overlooked the disadvantages of e-drums. There haven't been many drummers who utilize acoustic drums for electronic music; they definitely play to it though.

Why doesn't a house drummer just grab a Cascio keyboard from Toys R Us? ;-)

oaklandrichie 12-17-2010 08:06 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
I bought the roland hd lite last month. I really like it. It's around $600. The mesh head on the snare is great. I wish the toms had it too. The all mesh sets are too pricey for me though.

bryanmurr 12-17-2010 08:55 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Im wanting a e kit to pratice sometimes. Sometimes i would love to pratice at night. Like 2 in the morning. I know they are not silent but they would work for me. I could really play my regular set out here. I have move out to the country and dont really have many neighbors. However, I always feel funny playing at night. I guess thats the city boy in me. Do any of you guys use these kits just for pratice and pratice only? And do you still pratice alot on your regular kit? Does it help or does it hinder the feel of your regular kit? Because i could see me praticing with a e kit but i dont think i would ever gig with it

scorch whammin 12-17-2010 12:51 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bryanmurr (Post 777062)
Do any of you guys use these kits just for pratice and pratice only? And do you still pratice alot on your regular kit? Does it help or does it hinder the feel of your regular kit? Because i could see me praticing with a e kit but i dont think i would ever gig with it

I use e-kits for both practice and sometimes playing (in church)...yes I still practice quite a bit on my A-kit...the feel of both kits is different, however I still find e-kits a very useful tool for practice, especially on your meter (and any play along tracks)..and...oh yea it is nice being able to get on the kit at 10 PM (and later) to practice/play..:)

bamaboydrummer 01-18-2011 11:51 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Davo-London (Post 776095)
Nothing wrong with the Roland rubber pads - nice purchase BTW.

When I switched from rubber to mesh I was initially disappointed. However, I think it's just different and I prefer the mesh now.

Davo

hey i just got a set of roland td 10's with the expansion board installed. would you say that is a good kit to start out with. i have only been playing about 6 months or so.

bamaboydrummer 01-19-2011 12:10 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 768131)
I know that you, (being as musically accomplished as you are) will not be happy with a low end e-kit.

have you played e drums for long?

bamaboydrummer 01-19-2011 12:18 AM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfrey (Post 768047)
Hi, I'm brand new so if this is in the wrong place let me know.

I'm getting my first electronic set soon (first drum set of any kind). I'm debating between three models and I'd like some feedback.

Alesis DM6
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Set?sku=620364

Yamaha DTXplorer
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Set?sku=490906

Simmons SD7PK
http://drums-percussion.musiciansfri...Set?sku=585852

Thanks.

hey im kinda new new to drumming also, i got a set of roland td-10"s and i love them but i dont really know any difference. but i just wanted to try to help you out, my rolands are great if you can swing it financialy

omcd 01-19-2011 09:38 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Get the yamaha DTX IV, I just bought one and its a lot of fun. I did have the DTX Explorer a few years back and it was fine but I dont like the wedge cymbals. Like mentioned in this post they do not compare to acoustic kits but are great for practice and great to mess around on. When my drum shed is finished I will incorporate it into my acoustic kit, win , win.

jfrey 01-24-2011 09:11 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
I ended up getting the DTXplorer. I'll eventually upgrade but for now it's good for my purposes. They gave me 10% off also, after a huge hassle I went through with some errors on their part. So I got the kit, a drum throne, double kick, instructional dvds, and 3 sets of sticks for $700.

Laff 01-24-2011 09:50 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
roland td-4s best price, best drum set. no doubt call a local guitar center, or sam ash

charliejuson 02-26-2014 07:10 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
i know this isa probably quite old but i would recommend an acoustic drum kit, once you change from acoustic to electric, you miss acoustic a lot, i switched to electric and then missed acoustic so bad, not as much fun with electric.

New Tricks 02-26-2014 08:34 PM

Re: Deciding on first electronic drum set - need advice
 
Yeah. 3 1/2 years old. :rollseyes:

I'm certain he's made his decision by now or has given up and started playing guitar.


And, doesn't it seem odd that someone would come into the E drum section and answer a question like this with "get an acoustic kit"? Seems odd to me.


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