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Coldhardsteel 09-25-2010 03:20 AM

What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.

Tonight, my keyboardist and I have been hanging out, and right now he's looking over my shoulder. So, be on your best behavior everyone!

Just a simple question, what would you tell a keyboardist you're working with in a band you committed to? If you want to expand on the range of instrumentalists, then feel free to do so.

Bo Eder 09-25-2010 05:06 AM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
Doesn't the answer depend on what you guys are talking about? If you're just hanging out, are you talking about music? Or if either of you prefer cold peas as opposed to soft cooked, mushy ones? The weather? Your question is vague. Girls? That's always a big hit when hanging out....

In terms of the music, I would just tell him not to hit any bad notes and don't mess with the time. If he does that, then he gets to keep the gig. For now. ;)

larryace 09-25-2010 05:09 AM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
I'm unclear as to what you're referring to too.

con struct 09-25-2010 05:14 AM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
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Originally Posted by Coldhardsteel (Post 748261)
What would you tell a keyboardist you're working with in a band you committed to?

This is a question that is impossible to answer. Descartes couldn't get anywhere with it, nor could Kant.

720hours World Record 09-25-2010 05:19 AM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
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Originally Posted by Coldhardsteel (Post 748261)
Hello, ladies and gentlemen.

Tonight, ....., what would you tell a keyboardist you're working with in a band you committed to? If you want to expand on the range of instrumentalists......

I play both drums and keyboards, tell him they are both PERCUSSION instruments, SO..

You should learn to play each others instruments and gain a better feel for your own as a result.

DrumEatDrum 09-25-2010 05:41 AM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
I'd say, "I have a sequencer, what the heck do I need you for?? "






:-P

(hey, keyboardists have been replacing us for years with drum machines, turn about is fair play!)

Bo Eder 09-25-2010 05:57 AM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
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Originally Posted by DrumEatDrum (Post 748285)
I'd say, "I have a sequencer, what the heck do I need you for?? "






:-P

(hey, keyboardists have been replacing us for years with drum machines, turn about is fair play!)


Hahahaha! Then you have to come up with a way to monitor what's going on. Sometimes it's easier just to have a human doing it. But I understand what you mean!

Thud 09-25-2010 10:53 AM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
I feel a story coming upon me... years ago I knew a couple of good guitar players who got together to form a big band. They had lead, rhythm, bass and a drummer, then they invited a keyboard player along to jam at a charity gig.
Since they were all good players they didn't rehearse, they just turned up and began by playing the usual standards. It sounded absolutely dreadful. Unbelievably bad, they were playing in different keys, off-tune ... a mess. The lead guy walked off stage, they all fell out with one another (scuffles in the car park out the back) and the band broke up.

What it turned out had happened is that they didn't tune to the keyboard and so they were completely thrown by the fact that nothing sounded right.
Just saying you know....

GRUNTERSDAD 09-25-2010 04:30 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
I'm not sure if todays electronic keyboards are still considered percussion since there are no parts hitting one another. I don't see many bands with actual pianos mic'ed anymore. Ask him where he thinks music is going in the next 100 years with the advent of electronic keys and synthesizers.

bobdadruma 09-25-2010 04:36 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
I would ask him why he is playing in a band?
He could make more money playing solo.

I would also tell him to avoid large chunks of tomatoes in his sauce!

Pollyanna 09-25-2010 04:49 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
I would tell him that he or she doesn't HAVE to play all the time through every song, that those little spots and squiggly things in music scores are called rests, and they exist for a reason.

It must be jolly good fun to play and play and play with no regard as to who you're stepping on.

KBadd 09-25-2010 05:04 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
I have played with my keyboard player for 30 years this year. I mainly tell her to fill the gap of a rhythm guitar when necessary to give a more full sound on certain songs. I read once that Donald Fagen described his own piano playing like he "was playing a guitar". What I really appreciate about her is that she keeps the guitar players in tune and on key and makes sure of it.

720hours World Record 09-25-2010 11:38 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
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Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD (Post 748346)
I'm not sure if todays electronic keyboards are still considered percussion ...

From Dictionary >> Percussion; The striking together of two bodies, especially when noise is produced.

My hands still bang on the black and whites, piano or synth.

My first 3 CD's approached the keyboard as a percussion instrument from the mind of a drummer.

BassDriver 09-26-2010 11:50 AM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
Hmm...most of the complaints about musicians on this forums have been about guitar players and other drummers...

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You should learn to play each others instruments and gain a better feel for your own as a result.
Maybe even learning pitched percussion; marimba, vibes, xylo.

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My first 3 CD's approached the keyboard as a percussion instrument from the mind of a drummer.
...Chick Corea was a drummer before he was a pianist and Art Blakey was a piano player before taking up the drums, so it might be interesting to wonder how such a thing has an effect on style and creativity.

Pocket-full-of-gold 09-26-2010 12:04 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
I would remind him that it was his shout and insist he buy a round.

Keyboardists are notoriously tight fisted when it comes to buying grog!

wy yung 09-26-2010 02:30 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
Eh, were you both drunk? In what context?

I suppose in an open ended discussion I'd tell the pianist not to be late and know the material. Were that an issue. And that the piano is a percussion instrument. That Stars wars is a successful movie franchise and that it is good to brush one's teeth.

IHTH????

wy yung 09-26-2010 02:33 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
Oh and I'd also tell him/her to check out Art Tatum, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Monk, Oscar Peterson, Bill Evans and many more.

Coldhardsteel 09-26-2010 02:42 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
Okay, yeah, that was a loaded question.

My keyboardist and I get along really well, and I suppose it's mostly my respect for his ability to tame the raging moron that is our guitar player.

He's been playing since middle school, I believe, and he's the oldest member, so he has a lot of music experience with his instrument. He also plays clarinet, and has a lot of appreciation for other styles of music, so we click a lot.

So, I suppose I should feel blessed for having a keys player that's not a total douche.

GRUNTERSDAD 09-26-2010 08:19 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
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Originally Posted by 720hours World Record (Post 748436)
From Dictionary >> Percussion; The striking together of two bodies, especially when noise is produced.

My hands still bang on the black and whites, piano or synth.

My first 3 CD's approached the keyboard as a percussion instrument from the mind of a drummer.

But those keys don't bang on anything. They just open circuits and electronic noise is made. Pianos have keys when depressed move hammers that strike strings. You fingers hitting or banging on the keys doesn't make any noise. This the reason keyboards of the electronic variety worth their salt have what are known as weighted keys to make them feel like true percussion instruments such as pianos. We will have to agree to disagree but electronic keyboards, Rhodes, church organs are not percussion instruments.
A percussion instrument is any object which produces a sound when hit with an implement, shaken, rubbed, scraped, or by any other action which sets the object into vibration. The term usually applies to an object used in a rhythmic context or with musical intent.

The word "percussion" has evolved from Latin terms: "percussio" (which translates as "to beat, strike" in the musical sense, rather than the violent action), and "percussus" (which is a noun meaning "a beating"). As a noun in contemporary English it is described in Wiktionary as "the collision of two bodies to produce a sound". The usage of the term is not unique to music but has application in medicine and weaponry, as in percussion cap, but all known and common uses of the word, "percussion", appear to share a similar lineage beginning with the original Latin: "percussus". In a musical context then, the term "percussion instruments" may have been coined originally to describe a family of instruments including drums, rattles, metal plates, or wooden blocks which musicians would beat or strike (as in a collision) to produce sound.

Check here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percussion_instrument

Your fingers banging on the keyboard is no more percussive than a trumpet players fingers hitting the valves on a trumpet, even if it makes a sound.

azrae1l 09-26-2010 11:22 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
"What would you tell a keyboardist?"

same thing i told my sister when she wanted me to get my kid a piano instead of a drum set
"drummers get chicks!!!!........ keyboardists get dudes......"

edit: that should go on my signature....

Coldhardsteel 09-27-2010 02:18 AM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
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Originally Posted by azrae1l (Post 748728)
"What would you tell a keyboardist?"

same thing i told my sister when she wanted me to get my kid a piano instead of a drum set
"drummers get chicks!!!!........ keyboardists get dudes......"

edit: that should go on my signature....

Dude, almost made me rage. Joke is appreciated.

Woz.275 09-27-2010 09:20 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
[quote=azrae1l;748728]"What would you tell a keyboardist?"

same thing i told my sister when she wanted me to get my kid a piano instead of a drum set
"drummers get chicks!!!!........ keyboardists get dudes......"

Excerlent - Keyboardists get dudes.... Bloody right, espically our keys player.. I go along with that one.

con struct 09-27-2010 09:40 PM

Re: What would you tell a keyboardist?
 
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Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD (Post 748654)
We will have to agree to disagree but electronic keyboards, Rhodes, church organs are not percussion instruments.

Actually the Rhodes does have hammers that strike what are called tines. Those tines were a bitch to keep in tune when I had a Rhodes, at least they were for me what with my way-too-heavy approach to piano playing, but it was that hammer striking the tine action that gave the Rhodes its unique percussive sound.


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