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ANIMALBEATS 03-06-2010 05:36 AM

Solid gold snare drum
 
What would a solid gold snare drum sound like???

GRUNTERSDAD 03-06-2010 05:37 AM

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It would depend on the size, the thickness of the shell, and how pure the gold was.

diosdude 03-06-2010 05:55 AM

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hmmm... at current gold prices it would sound like a million bucks. GET IT??? A mill.... uh...nvm.

diosdude 03-06-2010 05:56 AM

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But hey, if DW came out with one, dontcha think PDP could just do a fool's gold snare???

thtst 03-06-2010 06:09 AM

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If you have the funds, i could have one made (seriously). Gold is intrinsically a soft metal yet very heavy in mass. As such, odds are you'd want a 14k at most, maybe even 10k. So that begs the question what metals do you use to 'mix' the pure gold with and how would that sound? Personally, would not bother making a gold snare unless you REALLY want it for a big press splash/promotion thing.

Also agreed, depends on the size, shape/depth, etc.

ANIMALBEATS 03-06-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD (Post 673039)
It would depend on the size, the thickness of the shell, and how pure the gold was.

Is this comment toung in cheek? or are you truly being outrageously pedantic?

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Originally Posted by diosdude (Post 673051)
But hey, if DW came out with one, dontcha think PDP could just do a fool's gold snare???

lol, good point, i'll ask them.

larryace 03-06-2010 04:54 PM

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You'd have to be Buddy RICH to be able to afford one of them.
Fools gold Dios...thanks for making me spit my coffee all over!

eddiehimself 03-06-2010 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thtst (Post 673062)
If you have the funds, i could have one made (seriously). Gold is intrinsically a soft metal yet very heavy in mass. As such, odds are you'd want a 14k at most, maybe even 10k. So that begs the question what metals do you use to 'mix' the pure gold with and how would that sound? Personally, would not bother making a gold snare unless you REALLY want it for a big press splash/promotion thing.

Also agreed, depends on the size, shape/depth, etc.

+7. Gold is really not a good metal to make snares out of. You want something that is tough but flexible and a light weight would be a bonus. Gold is none of these. You could have a gold plated snare though, that would be cool.

ANIMALBEATS 03-06-2010 07:06 PM

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[quote=larryace;673201]You'd have to be Buddy RICH to be able to afford one of them.QUOTE]

ha ha,


boom boom tish.

Deathmetalconga 03-07-2010 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eddiehimself (Post 673203)
+7. Gold is really not a good metal to make snares out of. You want something that is tough but flexible and a light weight would be a bonus. Gold is none of these. You could have a gold plated snare though, that would be cool.

Heavy materials, just like light materials, are desirable for their own reasons. Even the heaviest snare still doesn't weigh much. Although there was that 70-lb snare made from a section of cast iron pipe somewhere around here.

I think a gold snare would be great but to make it would have to be very thick to hold the hardware. I think it could weigh hundreds of pounds and cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. I bet it would be extremely loud because of the density, but also mellow because of the softness. I think if you made a drum of lead it would behave similarly acoustically.

Big_Philly 03-07-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Deathmetalconga (Post 673412)
I think if you made a drum of lead it would behave similarly acoustically.

...but that wouldn't cost as much. I'd coat the lead with something though... maybe galvanise it with a thin layer of chrome. Just to be on the safe side considering lead poisoning...

GRUNTERSDAD 03-07-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ANIMALBEATS (Post 673142)
Is this comment toung in cheek? or are you truly being outrageously pedantic?



lol, good point, i'll ask them.

It was neither tongue in cheek or pedantic but merely fact. The sound of any snare will depend on its size and materials.

ANIMALBEATS 03-07-2010 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD (Post 673472)
It was neither tongue in cheek or pedantic but merely fact. The size of any snare will depend on its size and materials.

Surprisingly I already knew that, materials have general characteristics, which is what I was after.

ANIMALBEATS 03-09-2010 08:57 PM

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We have a contender.

MikeM 03-09-2010 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ANIMALBEATS (Post 673038)
What would a solid gold snare drum sound like???

I think it would sound just like lead, only different. Maybe with a richer timbre and shinier ring?

If you want something heavy with a bang that's really out there, you might try plutonium, but I think you might need to wear special gloves when tuning it up.

thtst 03-10-2010 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeM (Post 674294)
If you want something heavy with a bang that's really out there, you might try plutonium, but I think you might need to wear special gloves when tuning it up.

Hmmm, actually platinum may work though it does cost more than gold.

GRUNTERSDAD 03-10-2010 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ANIMALBEATS (Post 674291)
We have a contender.


I'm sure this is plated something or other.

Edit. For about three years in the mid-1920s (1925 to 1928 if you want to get technical,) Ludwig and Ludwig Drum Company offered for sale a “top of the line” drum called the Triumphal. These were very specially-crafted drums that featured an acid-washed spun brass shell, 24-karat gold plating (thought there was probably only two or three ounces of gold used on each drum,) and lavish engravings on the shell, hoops, and tube-style lugs. Much more than the engraved “Black Beauty” of the day, Triumphals are as much works of art as they are drums.

MikeM 03-10-2010 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thtst (Post 674708)
Hmmm, actually platinum may work though it does cost more than gold.

Good thinking. It also has the added advantage that it won't kill you for getting too close to it.

ANIMALBEATS 03-14-2010 09:22 PM

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Oh yes here's a triumphal, very cheap to, could be a steal for someone.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ludwig-1928-Gold...item25595278c0

BassDriver 03-16-2010 10:28 AM

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I love those descriptive words that the marketing department in those companies come up with:

Imagine...solid gold snare drum: Shining, high pitched with a warm and bright set of overtones.

...I'm quite suspicious about any metallic-shelled drums, the ringtones tend to set off the the snare wires loads, anyhow...I think a drum carved out of a log with a natural exterior finish looks much better.

Pollyanna 03-16-2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BassDriver (Post 676721)
I...I'm quite suspicious about any metallic-shelled drums, the ringtones tend to set off the the snare wires loads, anyhow...I think a drum carved out of a log with a natural exterior finish looks much better.

Is this the same BD I know - the mad keen Tool and Danny Carey fan???

From Wikipedia:
Carey also uses a kit composed of custom cast bronze shells (3/16" thick and same dimensions as the SONOR) made from recycled Paiste cymbals, manufactured by master drum tech and drum maker Jeff Ocheltree (mostly on US tours as it is too heavy to readily transport elsewhere; The bass drums alone are 100 pounds each and special front-loading cases had to be made for them and the floor toms).
Whoever you are, stop using BD's login! We know you're an impostor!

:)

PS. That gold Ludwig snare is sooo beautiful ...

BassDriver 03-17-2010 01:42 PM

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Danny Carey's sets have always sounded good, Sonor or Ocheltree or whatever.

...I like the snare sound (esp. Sober), but honestly I wouldn't use it if I know that there is a unique sound that I'm hearing for that will satisfy me without the disappointment of copying someone elses drum texture...

...Carey's changed to a new setup, if you take a look on his website, he has mixed drums (and replaced the med and high toms with roto-toms), while still keeping to the deep transparent "tunnel" floor toms...and there are loads of electronics and synths...

...BTW...I'm a bit critical about wikipedia...not updated enough, and not reliable when it comes to specific facts...

...the gold snare drum sounds like a piece for Carey's kit, but I would say so, it would go against his spiritual commitments...

...if I could just remove sympathetic snare buzz...I know Bob Gatzen said something about reducing it, but while I'm still stuck in a garage with the Superstar...I'll have to hold back high-pitched-noise-induced-madness (no the snare shell is wooden construction).

Pollyanna 03-17-2010 01:56 PM

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Thing is, BD. Whether Big Dan is currently using them or not, he spent some time playing his "Paiste drums" and he loved them (and they sounded great). So when you say you're suspicious about metal drums I guess you are not talking about custom jobs worth a squillion $.

How about chrome snares? I used to have a Dynasonic and it was a classy drum. I don't think we can validly be metalist [sic] about drums. Drums made from all sorts of materials can sound great.

Bob Gatzen spoke for two full YouTube videos about reducing snare buzz. As for me, I either put up with it or turn them off. It's a bummer when a song starts and realise that you haven't turned them back on, and then there's a race to avoid the dreaded snareless 'bonk' on the backbeat :)

And if someone offered me that golden beauty, I wouldn't say no ...

Drum-Head 03-17-2010 02:12 PM

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You would need some darn good coating on a gold snare - it won't oxidize but the gold will wear out from just touching it.

Pollyanna 03-17-2010 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Drum-Head (Post 677163)
You would need some darn good coating on a gold snare - it won't oxidize but the gold will wear out from just touching it.

Surely if it was 9 carat it would be ok, wouldn't it? Gold jewellery seems to hang in there. You couldn't have 18 carat or you'd ding it every time you played a rimshot.

thtst 03-17-2010 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD (Post 674713)
Edit. For about three years in the mid-1920s (1925 to 1928 if you want to get technical,) Ludwig and Ludwig Drum Company offered for sale a “top of the line” drum called the Triumphal... (thought there was probably only two or three ounces of gold used on each drum,)

About $50 of gold in those days. Good ol' currency devaluation (theft by central banks who call it inflation, but that is another topic and perhaps best to not 'go there').

The eBay auction REISSUE is far too high
Price: $8125.00
www.ruppsdrums.com/shop/?shop=1&itemid=23967


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Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 676725)
Carey also uses a kit composed of custom cast bronze shells (3/16" thick and same dimensions as the SONOR) made from recycled Paiste cymbals.

Interesting, as some consider the best saxophones to be those that were made in the 1950's or thereabouts from used brass gun shells during WWII. i wonder if the same would apply to drums? The metal itself has been 'stressed' due to useage within an explosion of sorts, which is different than, say, cryogenics that has the metal form a tighter 'bond'. Hmmm..... the plot thickens! Have debated having my Sabian AA Dry Ride 21" cryo'ed in hopes of more ping. i wonder if they could custom the same cymbal from used brass shells.. and the results.


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