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BattleArmor 01-07-2010 05:40 AM

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I would just like to say, that this is the best movie I have ever seen in my entire life. Period.

By the way, if anyone plans on seeing it, you MUST see it in 3D

Pollyanna 01-07-2010 05:48 AM

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Brilliant visuals and sound. Just incredible. It transports you into another world. Even the predictable, occasionally banal, script and the cartoonish characters didn't diminish my enjoyment (much).

Not a perfect movie (what is?) but it was a buzz.

wy yung 01-07-2010 05:54 AM

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It's coping a lot of schtik from the conservatives who claim it tarnishes America's foreign policy. Having not seen it I am in the dark about such things.

It was also attacked the other day in an article on reuters because it confuses the meaing of the word Avatar, having it's meaning backwards.

I want to see it. I hope I don't forget before it's off the screen in 3 D.

DrumEatDrum 01-07-2010 06:47 AM

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Dancing with Smurfs.

Big_Philly 01-07-2010 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrumEatDrum (Post 649795)
Dancing with Smurfs.

Touché.
I really enjoyed the movie, it's a visual treat! But the storyline is nothing new. It was already done in dances with wolves... which, by the way, is also a must-see movie. I'm not saying it was bad. Not at all... but as a critic here in the netherlands stated: "the film might be three dimensional, the story and characters certainly aren't".

gusty 01-07-2010 12:27 PM

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I thought it was really good. Yeah, really predictable but who cares, it looked awesome, i liked the characters, good action, and it didn't seem like a long drawn out movie even though it's almost 3 hours long.

aceface 01-07-2010 12:47 PM

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That was quite good.

I liked it.

Muckster 01-07-2010 05:43 PM

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No doubt, the movie was stunning visually but i have seen that movie before when it was called "Ferngully." This is the perfect "anti" movie.

boomstick 01-07-2010 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_Philly (Post 649848)
I really enjoyed the movie, it's a visual treat! But the storyline is nothing new. It was already done in dances with wolves... which, by the way, is also a must-see movie.

That was my take on it too, and I think Dances With Wolves is a better movie. But Avatar is worth seeing for the visual effects. Cameron really has bad taste in music though. That song over the end credits had me literally running out of the theater.

ANIMALBEATS 01-07-2010 06:36 PM

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hahaha i remember fergully

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae7x3sp4vIQ

used to love that movie as a skid.


ive seen avitar 3d, thought it was arright for what it was

maddrummr 01-07-2010 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DrumEatDrum (Post 649795)
Dancing with Smurfs.

Hahhhh thats awesome.


Anyway. Yeah. Blatantly general plot line that would surely bore me if it wasn't for all the visual stuff going on. But amazing visuals at the least.

Pollyanna 01-08-2010 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by boomstick (Post 649944)
That song over the end credits had me literally running out of the theater.

YES! Why on earth did James C choose that stinker? And it does matter. I remember how RATM at full volume at the end of the first Matrix movie was shocking and exciting. Just perfect, and it sealed the movie's atmosphere.

Sugary soft pop was absolutely the wrong choice for this movie. It was jarring in its inappropriateness. One of the people I saw the movie with reckoned it was designed to get people out of the cinema quickly so theatre staff could be cleaned up earlier for the next showing.

A Deep Forest style song would have been much better - both futuristic and organic-sounding.

BTW, Dancing with Smurfs is an old joke. A phrase search for it in Google gets 934,000 results :-P

boomstick 01-08-2010 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 650072)
One of the people I saw the movie with reckoned it was designed to get people out of the cinema quickly so theatre staff could be cleaned up earlier for the next showing.

LOL, your friend might be on to something. It sure had me running for the doors.

Good call on the Rage song at the end of Matrix. Perfect.

Bruce M. Thomson 01-08-2010 01:17 PM

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I agree with the comments here, defiantly the 3D is the main appeal as the story line had a "Dancing with Wolves" sort of feel to it but I thoroughly enjoyed it and it moved at a very steady pace; it did not fell like close to 3 hours.
Just a few things though and they are not criticisms, I think Cameron might have lifted some ideas from other sources such as the bonding with the dragon like creatures; it reminded me very much of how they did it in a trilogy called "The Dragon Riders of Pern".
This was written by Anne McCaffrey and was popular in the 70's amongst science fiction and fantasy readers. The blue Navi made me think of an album by Kenny Young called "Last Stage for Silverworld" which had blue men and Navajo. These are just things I noticed and did not interfere with a very pleasurable movie experience. It will certainly be a game changer as the 3D technology is a step up from the other 3D offerings.
On a different note; congratulations tp the USA junior hockey team who won the junior world title against our Canadian team in overtime, didn't gry much coverage down your way but it is a big deal up here. If only we got that type of action during the regular NHL season. Should be a great tournament at the Olympics.

Pollyanna 01-08-2010 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by boomstick (Post 650157)
LOL, your friend might be on to something. It sure had me running for the doors.

Good call on the Rage song at the end of Matrix. Perfect.

Yeah, it's like putting a set together. Was it Maurice Chevalier who said something to the effect of: "If you start and finish with a bang then what happens in between is nobody's business"? (not exact words)

It's not critical, but it helps if the music during the closing credits carries over the flavour of the film (or in the case of The Matrix, enhances it). That bland pop track really killed the mood.

Would have been better if they found some exotic world music (indigenous alien music?) ... but then everyone would have stayed around. As it was, we all sat around talking and were the last to leave. Our singer, who's worked in film, reckoned that it was a game-changer and would be thought of in the same way as the first Star Wars film, which is what some of the critics have been saying.

Mediocrefunkybeat 01-08-2010 05:09 PM

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Am I the only one here has has absolutely no interest in this film whatsoever?

Thaard 01-08-2010 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mediocrefunkybeat (Post 650382)
Am I the only one here has has absolutely no interest in this film whatsoever?

No.. I like some of Camerons older movies(Terminator 1-2, Aliens and Abyss) but after Titanic I refused to see another film. I also think Avatars story is abit thin.

Mediocrefunkybeat 01-08-2010 05:54 PM

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Terminator 1 and 2 are just fantastic films. Two of my favourites, especially the first one. I pretty much share your opinion on this!

Pollyanna 01-08-2010 11:24 PM

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The worse the script the better the eye candy needs to be, and vice versa. Ideally, movies/music/whatever art will have plenty of depth and sensory buzz but it doesn't happen often. The Terminator movies provided both, although I found their level of violence a turnoff at times.

Never understood that thing where if someone is torn to bits in an explosion that's just entertainment but if the camera catches a couple making love then THAT'S OBSCENE! Weird how societies can get their values so bent out of shape.

Sorry, just musing. I only meant to say that I can forgive crappiness if some other quality makes up for it. Same with music.

DrumEatDrum 01-09-2010 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mediocrefunkybeat (Post 650382)
Am I the only one here has has absolutely no interest in this film whatsoever?

If got my joke, then you would have known that I have zero interest as well.

I'm not getting a baby sitter to go to the movie theater when I can wait for the DVD.

But if the movie is only good for the visuals, then it won't look good on my regular old TV.
So it seems pointless.

And why waste my time on a movie with a bad script?

Dances with Smurfs is all I need to know about it.

Scorched 01-09-2010 01:11 AM

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The script isn't terrible, although it could have been a lot better.


At the start I think they milked the 3D wayy too much. "Look at this watter hitting the window from this hose" "Look a golf ball that is rolling towards you" and there were loads more. Small annoyance though, Still a great movie.

They also decided to make all the hispanic lines ridiculous for some reason.

shrink 01-09-2010 01:34 AM

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http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen...3/original.jpg

jwildman 01-09-2010 01:51 AM

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It was a great movie but at the beginning, remember how they said the aliens had skin as strong as bullet proof glass and bones like cement (Paraphrasing, I just remember they said they were very hard to kill). But in the big fight scene at the end they would get shot once and drop. Just something that made me think.

Mediocrefunkybeat 01-09-2010 10:50 AM

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That's genius! I'm with Philly on this. Dances with Smurfs.

Big_Philly 01-09-2010 12:17 PM

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Sounds like pocahontas is also half a Dances with Wolves rip off... Great post, shrink!

what I do really like about science fiction, be it series or movies, is that the creators of science fiction don't only get to create story lines and personas, but also the entire world around them! They did a great job with that in Avatar.

ANIMALBEATS 01-09-2010 12:18 PM

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Tut tut, your a sinical bunch.

Pollyanna 01-09-2010 01:06 PM

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That Huffington Post satire is PERFECT! Love it!

Nonetheless ... I really, really enjoyed the movie :-P

I see Avatar as being like Afghan hounds, models, Paiste cymbals and Yes. Their job description is to give us beauty and they leave it to others to provide personality.

GRUNTERSDAD 01-09-2010 03:30 PM

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Well I had this on my list, but I don't need an animee Dances with Wolves. Seeing that movie once was enough. Thanks for the heads up. And yet it has already made 1 Billion USD worldwide.

genericdrummingusername 01-09-2010 05:27 PM

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This is why I like Pixar movies. The visuals and the story are always as good as can be.

Pollyanna 01-09-2010 09:00 PM

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The experience is way beyond anything I've seen from Pixar, and that's not knocking Pixar films which are both cute, attractive and plot things slightly less predictably than this one.

JarodMaybern 01-13-2010 10:06 AM

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I honestly thought Avatar was really clever, how he made up a language and a world that was totally unique. So what if it was similar to Pocahontas. Not to get off topic but take Lord of the Rings for example that movie was a hit, along with Star Wars. These movies share such similarities to one another and even parts of the bible that it's not even funny. Movies like Avatar and Star Wars appeal, I believe, to the raw emotion, dreams, struggles people share as being human. And the story of one individual risking it all to better both species/races/cultures is a story that'll be everlasting due to the fact that it appeals to the raw emotion of compassion.

I don't mean to be preaching to anyone, i just had to let my inner hippie say it's part. It was screaming lol

Pavlos 01-13-2010 07:27 PM

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This movie is highly overrated. Good cgi visuals if that's your thing, but I hate cgi. It still has a ways to go imo. And the writing is horrid. You can tell the good actors (Weaver, Ribissi) were doing their best with the putrid dialog.

And I hope they threw Roger Dean a bone for using alot of visual settings that borrow heavily from his work.

Moldy 01-13-2010 11:38 PM

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Avatar reminds me of concept video games:

Not necessarily great games, as the story is thin, the gameplay repetitive and the setting meh, but it is technically brilliant. In other words, a product to show off what the underlying technology *COULD* do, to entice others to use it. Sortof like Unreal Tournament 3. Not the best game, by itself. Little to no storyline, multiplayer wasnt groundbreaking and such, but the underlying engine was beautiful. And it went on to bring us games like Gears of War, BioShock, Mass Effect, Mirror's Edge and some other lesser known titles.

Avatar seems like a concept movie, showing off the beauty of 3D moviemaking and presentation.

ANIMALBEATS 01-14-2010 03:06 AM

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Good points all round (smokes pipe)

jake_larson 01-14-2010 05:27 AM

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It was so predictable and long, and everyone made it sound like it was the best movie ever. I thought it was pretty bad with great special effects

caddywumpus 01-14-2010 08:24 AM

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I just got back from seeing it. I was entertained. Sure, the storyline has been done a hundred times already, but it's a good, solid story. The effects were great, and the 3-D was good when under-played, but at times it was distracting. It doesn't deserve all of the hype around it, but then again, neither did Titanic...

freebirdgdw 01-24-2010 01:01 AM

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I have many views on this film and they may not all go down well haha!

Firstly I was very critical of this film before I saw it and although my friend said it will be one of the greatest films ever, i disagreed. However I'm not one of these people that refuse to see a film because of hype or other peoples opinions etc or to try and be different and rebel. I try to see as many films as possible to fully understand and appreciate the world of film. So i went with him to see it on the opening day (at an iMax screen in 3D to maximise the experience) and I can honestly say it blew me away. I thought it was amazing and is definitely one of the best films I've ever seen.

The 3D and special effects absolutely amazed me. I'm more than willing to sit back and fully appreciate something as beautiful and astounding as Avatar. You couldn't of had graphics like tis 10 years ago. Once again people who are willing to miss out on such a land mark in special effects because they heard the story line wasn't up to Shakespeare's level are what I'd call 'idiots'.

As for the script/story line, it's not the best ever or the most original but what is. There's a theory that all films can be stripped down to about 5 or 6 different simple story lines. Take The Matrix for example, The protagonists world is not what it seems and is turned upside down, so he joins a rebellion to beat the system. What's new about that. What makes The Matrix special is the details; bullet time, fight scenes, characters etc. Same for Avatar, the difference is in the details. (I have nothing against The Matrix btw, it's one of my favorite films but I just used it as an example).

I'm very passionate about film and study it at uni as well as going to cinema at least once a week, having a large DVD collection and buying/reading movie magazines. I'm not saying this makes me an expert on the matter by any means but I'm just pointing out that I have made my opinions of this film with reference to many factors.

Another criticisms of the film I've heard are 'it's too long', 'I got bored' or 'it's too far fetched'. These people are also idiots who get more excited about whatever crap rom-com Adam Sandler will be in next. I am not even going to go into this matter!

My opinions may ruffle a few feathers haha but it's what i think and you're entitled to you're opinions too even if you're wrong :P

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Originally Posted by Thaard (Post 650393)
No.. I like some of Camerons older movies(Terminator 1-2, Aliens and Abyss) but after Titanic I refused to see another film. I also think Avatars story is abit thin.

This is the only film he has made since Titanic, which lets be honest isn't an awful movie. There are much, much worse movies being released all the time, and if you happened to catch one of these, you wouldn't look up the director to especially avoid their future releases normally.

No doubt his old work is amazing too though

zildjank09 01-24-2010 01:05 AM

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Great film.. one to watch again..

M U..

Thaard 01-24-2010 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by freebirdgdw (Post 656188)
This is the only film he has made since Titanic, which lets be honest isn't an awful movie. There are much, much worse movies being released all the time, and if you happened to catch one of these, you wouldn't look up the director to especially avoid their future releases normally.

No doubt his old work is amazing too though

Hah, I didnt even know he made Avatar after Titanic. Well, I'm more or less avoiding big blockbuster movies since I saw that god-awful Pearl Harbour movie som years ago. Now I mostly watch Ingmar Bergman, David Lynch and those sort of deeper movies. Last year I tried to watch as many noir movies as possible, but there wasnt that many of them that were any interesting. Sometimes though, It's cool with easy to like movies, but then I pop in some zombie-movies or ace venture. Sort of a guilty pleasure..

Pollyanna 01-24-2010 02:40 AM

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The 3D and special effects absolutely amazed me.

What amazed me about Avatar was not the 3D, which I took for granted pretty quickly, but its beauty - the scenery, the animals, the Na'vi. My eyes couldn't get enough of it.


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Originally Posted by Thaard (Post 656193)
Now I mostly watch Ingmar Bergman, David Lynch and those sort of deeper movies. Last year I tried to watch as many noir movies as possible, but there wasnt that many of them that were any interesting. Sometimes though, It's cool with easy to like movies, but then I pop in some zombie-movies or ace venture. Sort of a guilty pleasure..

Oh yeah, David Lynch and Stanley Kubrick - the dark geniuses. Much time for Ridley Scott too. But producers like Peter Jackson and James Cameron have amazing aesthetic sense IMO.

Apparently there's people out there suffering from depression because Pandora isn't real and they will never see it in real life. Poor sods. They're probably the kind of people who shed a tear watching South Park when Kenny gets killed off, but my point is that the film is incredibly visually alluring.

I love spaced-out movies and books; it's refreshing. Like a holiday from reality. I usually prefer to live on Planet Zod anyway, but sometimes reality has its way of forcing itself on you. I get enough reality in life without dealing with more of it in my free time. That's when crazy eye candy like Avatar and the internet are most therapeutic IMO - to bring us humans back to our natural, psychedelic state :)


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