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TOMANO 12-28-2005 05:16 AM

Bill Bruford
 
Am I to believe that Bill Bruford has not been brought up on this favorite drummers thread? HERESY I SAY!!! Or perhaps that's just heresay...Anyway...

Bruford continues to inspire me as a musician, drummer and thinker. His work in King Crimson hooked me as did his solo ventures. His work with Earthworks continues to chart his endless growth as composer and player and his conviction to quality music is paramount in all he takes on.

For you Bruford fans who haven't heard them, The Bruford/Levin Upper Extremities is highly recommended, as is Bruford's work with percussionist extraordinaire Pete Lockett.

Just wish ol' Bill would find the means to tour the States again some time soon.

Cheers!

TOMANO

mlehnertz 12-28-2005 09:06 PM

Re: Bill Bruford
 
Search the forums. Bill is very popular around here.

King Crimson 12-28-2005 10:30 PM

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He is near the top of my list of all time greats.

cicatrizoo 12-28-2005 11:56 PM

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My favorite album he played on is King Crimson's "Red." But his most awesome drum performance on a song is Yes' "Heart Of The Sunrise."


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Loge 01-08-2006 02:33 AM

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A timeless timekeeper - incredible body of work. Folks should check out his jazz playing in a trio with Ralph Towner and Eddie Gomez: "If Summer had it's Ghosts" on the ECM label. His current band, 'Earthworks - some interesting stuff.

Sensational on any Crimson or Yes album but took the 'Batterie" to new heights
on 'Dicipline'. Also some of the old 'U.K.' albums with A. Holdsworth still hold up just fine.

One of my top 10 guys for sure.

photon 03-21-2006 05:23 PM

Favorite Bill Bruford performance
 
In the mid -seventies Bruford played on two albums by a band named Pavlov's Dog (their only two albums). That first album (At the Sound of the Bell) is still one of my all time favorites.

Bruford drumming is tremendous...very jazzy and tasty.

If you get a chance and you can find the CD check out his performance on Did You See Him Cry? from the At the Sound of the Bell Album.

James Walker 03-21-2006 05:37 PM

Re: Favorite Bill Bruford performance
 
I'm going with the Earthworks "Footloose in NYC" DVD, by a slight edge over another video release, the King Crimson "Neal and Jack and Me" DVD.

Kenneth Nishimoto 06-05-2006 12:56 AM

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No one can say they've really heard Bruford until they listen to his jazz stuff, earthworks, all heaven broke loose, etc. Honestly, some of the greatest cymbal work, ever. He's so vastly underrated, it's just a sin.

ellenvannin105 06-05-2006 07:47 AM

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There are so many great Bruford moments that the earth can barely contain them.Just when you were expecting an explosive solo,Bill gives you silence and afew well-chosen notes,and conversely,when you are expecting silence,Bill gives you an out-of-left-field machine-gun pattern that he seemed to grab from nowhere.I'd love to have Joe Morello's hands and Bill Bruford's brain.Almost all of his recorded out-put has great things that we all can learn from.A Master's Master,just like Morello...

Mediocrefunkybeat 06-05-2006 11:24 AM

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Christ I don't believe I missed this thread. Mr Bruford is a fantastic drummer, who can play in anything. For instance, the King Crimson of 75 (on 'Red') and the King Crimson of 81 (with Tony Levin and Adrian Belew on 'Discipline') are two very, very different beasts. One, dark progressive rock, the other, more of an electronica project (both excellent). I don't think there's another drummer who would have been able to play with Fripp and co. for so long and continually be able to push the envelope as he does.

Then he goes and forms Earthworks, just to really prove what a fantastic drummer he is in all genres. Earthworks are still pushing the envelope with Bruford. It's fantastic.

But I had to agree, one of the best drum performances from him was 'Heart of the Sunrise'. Just brilliant.

harryconway 06-05-2006 12:10 PM

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Let's not forget the first U.K. album.

shuffle 06-05-2006 05:00 PM

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Here is small portion of a song I like very much from him. He shows an almost mechanical precision on that one.

Gracefully flowing from 6/8 to 7/8.

dawg 06-06-2006 02:49 AM

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the live king crimson double-trio DVD is great. his opening solo on "indiscipline" has an angle from the drum chair.seeing his relaxed grip has made me revamp my style.

Mook 10-13-2006 02:37 PM

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Favourite Bruford tunes of mine - 'Heart of the Sunrise', 'Close to the edge' & 'Starship Trooper' by Yes & 'Starless', 'One More Red Nightmare' & 'Larks Tongue's & Aspic Part 2' by King Crimson.

Not seen Michael Giles mentioned on here though, the original Crimson drummer who was a massive influence on the likes of Bruford & Carl Palmer.

dawg 10-13-2006 06:14 PM

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even though it's not a "drum song" , i also like the melody on "up north."

Tolo 10-13-2006 08:49 PM

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...I've got the Bruford bug when I picked up a copy of "One of a Kind" of the Bruford band (Holdsworth, Berlin, Stewart) and never recovered. His works with Yes, KC, UK, Earthworks, etc.. are so diverse maintaining a "common base" of innovation.
The only drummer I've seen change so dramatically his style, his set-up, his projects. Bruford is not a drummer, he is a true artist and thinker, IMHO.

Ciao
Andrea

Mediocrefunkybeat 10-13-2006 08:52 PM

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I got hold of an old Vinyl 'The Bruford Tapes' recently. It's a recording of a radio performance that was given in 1979 with his original 'Bruford' band. It's truly fantastic, he's a wonderful arranger as well as a drummer and he's a real thinker behind the kit; yet maintaining an ability to express himself and not sacrifice his level of expression for the sake of mindless technical over-indulgement. A great drummer.

TOMANO 11-30-2006 02:53 PM

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Big Bummer that Bill's clinic tour was so limited and did not come through the midwest. Hopefully, someone with a clue will edit the best of the clinics and put out a great DVD.

I listened to some great Earthworks stuff yesterday and also revisited his work with Bruford Levin Upper Extremities and Pete Lockett's Network of Sparks.

Lately, Bruford has entered a plateau of respect in my book that includes Zappa, Coltrane, Mingus, Davis, Bowie, McCartney, etc.

He is an artist's artist.

TOMANO

murphinelli 12-01-2006 06:59 PM

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I'm a big time Bruford fan from Yes to present. I wish he would play in the US more. I haven't seen him in years and haven't seen any of the Earthworks stuff. I think he said the reason they don't come here much is that it's too difficult to get in/out of the US for him & his non-US citizen musicians?...:-(

I agree about a DVD. Someone needs to put something together. Bill is not going to do it. He's said in the past that he doesn't think he has anything new to add to the already large mass of instructional DVDs out there...I disagree with this of course. The only thing I have in terms of clinic/lessons from him is the old VHS copy of "Bruford and the Beat"

BTW, In case you didn't know about his site:
http://www.billbruford.com

P.S. I'm still thinking of making a log drum. Still need to get around to it...Good winter project.

TOMANO 12-02-2006 08:19 PM

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Well, Bill's attitude might change towards instructional videos and we might see this rare clinic tour make it to some sort of format.

"Footloose in NYC" is a great DVD of Earthworks. Get it, you'll thank me.

Good luck on your log drum.

TOMANO

murphinelli 12-04-2006 04:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TOMANO (Post 245530)
"Footloose in NYC" is a great DVD of Earthworks. Get it, you'll thank me.

Good luck on your log drum.

TOMANO

Thanks for the tip Tomano.

Just ordered the DVD!

I have a local friend woodworker that agreed to help me make a log drum. His daughter is a drummer also so we'll make one for her at the same time.

murphinelli 01-02-2007 05:42 PM

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So, I ordered "Footloose in NYC" and had my wife give it to me from Santa...

Nice to see Bruford playing...but....

1. The camera angles are very poor. Not enough time spent watching Bruford. I don't want to see his face while he's playing some tricky thing. I want to see his hands/feet. Also, too much time was spent focusing on the other musicians while Bruford is playing something interesting. It's nice to see them, but this is Bruford's band isn't it?

2. Bruford has an interesting approach to jazz drumming. Not at all traditional. It works with the style of music they are playing, but I can't say it's really for me. I'm more into the modern bop, be-bop, hard-bop style drumming of today. That of the Bill Stewart, Brian Blade, etc. approach.

3. I think the whole weirdo drum set configuration is a gimmick. Please don't flame me for saying this. I am a huge Bruford fan from Yes -> Crimson. But I'm watching him play....and I'm thinking he could get the same thing out of a more traditional set up. Don't get it. Perhaps it feels most comfortable with his chosen grip?....

4. I thought his French grip w/Butt end in left hand was good for Rock/Progressive stuff...but seems a little bizzaahh for jazz comping in the left hand. I would not think of playing ghost notes with the butt end. He does get nice rim shots though.

Those were my first thoughts watching this DVD.

Still haven't made the log drum yet.

wy yung 01-10-2007 07:47 PM

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I just picked up the Earthworks Underground Orchestra CD. Very nice. Highly recomended.

lastditch 03-25-2007 08:37 PM

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I can't believe how far back Bill is in this list.He is one of my biggest influences.The stuff he did on Discipline is top notch.I remember hearing that album an saying to myself...now that is progressive drumming.I really like the 2 drummer approach on Thrak as well.Bruford is bomb.

wy yung 03-26-2007 06:47 AM

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I highly recomend the Bruford/Bordslap DVD. His best work on film so far IMO. Great playing.

Spreggy 03-26-2007 07:35 PM

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Quote:

Sensational on any Crimson or Yes album but took the 'Batterie" to new heights
on 'Dicipline'.
I'll second that, just picked it up again recently and still trying to understand everything he's doing.


I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when und........

xush 03-26-2007 10:58 PM

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big fan of Bill here, in any setting.
Very inspiring, from voice to composition to kit configuration-
a true pioneer!

TheLimey 05-28-2007 11:23 PM

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i just had the pleasure of watching the esteemed Mr Bruford live at the Bath jazz festival (i also saw courtny pine) with Michel(sp?) Borstlap.

Tremendous drummer, very melodic, fit's with Borstlap's piano perfectly. Did some very sparse, minimalist drumming, which created a very atmospheric sound. Until the next track, where he really let loose with some serious groove.

There were some brilliant moments when they went on separate tangents, only to come back in perfectly in time!

rendezvous_drummer 06-07-2007 05:05 PM

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Bill Bruford is amazing! I saw him at a clinic a few weeks ago and was completely BLOWN away. Such coordination independance. Made me want to go out and get some King Crimson records.

slingerland755 09-09-2007 05:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shuffle (Post 149800)
Here is small portion of a song I like very much from him. He shows an almost mechanical precision on that one.

Gracefully flowing from 6/8 to 7/8.

That is quintessential Bruford. He's like a groovy machine.

dw D 09-09-2007 06:40 PM

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I had a chance to buy his bubinga tama kit, autographed. For 3500. but im saving for a new pearl referance. But man, does that kit ever sound nice!!!!!!!!!

Jeremy Bender 10-08-2007 04:27 PM

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Thanks for the link to his home page. I was watching ABWH live on video. The version of "close to the edge is fantastic." At the Paiste web site you can search his current cymbal set-up. His home page has a pretty comprehensive list of equipment used over the years. A very original musician and he appears to have a "natural" approach to playing the instrument. Very fluid for what is sometime not so smoothly flowing music around him.

Smashin Jack 01-29-2008 09:54 PM

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He's one of my all time fav's. I saw King Crimson once and as luck would have it Bill didn't play on that tour. If fact I don't think he's been with them in years, has he? Pardon me for my ignorance.

Bruce M. Thomson 01-29-2008 10:14 PM

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I just missed out on seeing him at a clinic here in Toronto at one of the better Drum stores, it was only $12 and I was committed to something else that day.

It seems like on the YES albums it's what he doesn't play rather than what he does play that is noticeable to me. I love the early YES and I think RED is my favorite CK album with him playing. If you check out the cover on the Masterworks album it seems to show just how muscular he is on his forearms and even his wrists.

Smashin Jack 01-29-2008 10:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce M. Thomson (Post 404833)
I just missed out on seeing him at a clinic here in Toronto at one of the better Drum stores, it was only $12 and I was committed to something else that day.

It seems like on the YES albums it's what he doesn't play rather than what he does play that is noticeable to me. I love the early YES and I think RED is my favorite CK album with him playing. If you check out the cover on the Masterworks album it seems to show just how muscular he is on his forearms and even his wrists.

Cool... I love the title track "red". What an original blues tune, huh? I read a story how he used a severely broken cymbal he found laying around for the effects on "one more red nightmare".

Pollyanna 11-26-2008 01:38 PM

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The things Bill did! Like his crazy woodblocks in the middle section of Starless when he'd fallen under Jamie Muir's improv spell (KC's fabulous ex-percussionist).

Like everyone I find his broken cymbal pangs during One More Red Nightmare special.

But it was on Discipline that he really took off, in my mind, after being asked by Bob Fripp to avoid using cymbals because it competed with the frequency of the guitar gamelan thing he was getting going with Adrian Belew. Bill B does a fair Billy Cobham impersonation in Frame By Frame and his subtle variations in Thela Hun Ginjeet and the title track are also really satisfying when you're in a "lock in on the drumming" mood.

I always found him interesting and entertaining; he was always coming up with cool sounds and ideas, including his famous snappy snare sound.

Deltadrummer 11-27-2008 08:01 AM

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I noticed the new autobiography is set for a March 1, 2009 release. Who is going to get this?

Pollyanna 11-27-2008 10:57 AM

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That's interesting. I didn't know that BB was releasing an autobiography. He does seem to be winding down and seeing his career as something that's in the past than in the future so it makes sense to write a book.

Love his drumming but, alas, I don't think there will be too many tales of wild partying or smashing hotel rooms. We might get his punch up with Chris Squire and some insider info on musical geniuses like Bob Fripp and Jamie Muir, though.

Deltadrummer 12-07-2008 09:32 AM

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In the current Jazz Times he talks about retiring. The mag says the autobiography will be out in May. He has some snipets from it on his website.

slingerland755 12-07-2008 04:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pollyanna (Post 506861)
That's interesting. I didn't know that BB was releasing an autobiography. He does seem to be winding down and seeing his career as something that's in the past than in the future so it makes sense to write a book.

Love his drumming but, alas, I don't think there will be too many tales of wild partying or smashing hotel rooms. We might get his punch up with Chris Squire and some insider info on musical geniuses like Bob Fripp and Jamie Muir, though.

lol,
Good point....we might get some nice insight into the goings on of Mr. Fripp and company but you're right, Bill is no Keith Moon on the party front. I have not been keeping up with Earthworks, but when BB retires he will be truly missed.


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