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EvanMatthiesen 10-14-2009 07:41 PM

Best sampler/trigger pad?
 
im looking into getting a pad that i can play custom samples with sticks on. im having trouble figuring out whats the best one for me though. price is an issue, i want something under 500, but i also want to be able to use it live without a computer. also i dont care whatsoever about how the built in drum sounds are because i wont use them, i just want to trigger sounds that i made, but also play with sticks.

im thinking of the alesis performance pad, but im not sure if it can store custom sounds without being hooked up via MIDI. anyone know?

Naigewron 10-14-2009 08:07 PM

Re: Best sampler/trigger pad?
 
The Roland SPD-S is really the only real option on the market. I would steer clear of the Alesis, it doesn't have nearly as many options.

I use the SPD-S myself, and it's an awesome live tool. I trigger both short samples and whole backing tracks from it, and it performs flawlessly every time.

Shedboyxx 10-14-2009 10:11 PM

Re: Best sampler/trigger pad?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Naigewron (Post 622431)
The Roland SPD-S is really the only real option on the market. I would steer clear of the Alesis, it doesn't have nearly as many options.

I use the SPD-S myself, and it's an awesome live tool. I trigger both short samples and whole backing tracks from it, and it performs flawlessly every time.

+1

I've got one as well and it sounds tailor made for what you are looking for.

Couple of things:

1) Immediately buy a Compact Flash card (CF 128, 256 or best - 512mb) as the built in sound storage is not going to hold too much. You can erase a bunch of the sounds and replace them but having the card allows you much more storage and along with a USB CF Card writer/reader, is the best way to get custom sounds into the SPD-S.

2) A common question is: Will the SPD-S store MIDI sequences. The answer is No.

It CAN:
* Manually trigger (by playing the pads) external MIDI sound sources via MIDI Out
* Have internal sounds triggered by MIDI sequencers connected via MIDI In
* Create audio loops using the onboard audio sounds (even imported audio) using something called 'Phrase Maker'. Very cool feature. It also can't generate MIDI Time Code, SMPTE or any other time based external control.

Just things to keep in mind. A great value for the money.


Jim

Ellakova 04-10-2013 11:30 PM

Re: Best sampler/trigger pad?
 
Hey Jim

Thanks for the information.

I was a little bit confused about the Roland does not accept Midi sequences, what do you mean?

For instance I have a similar issue with my live show, I play the keys and would like to be able to play/trigger sequence like a drum beat or a short melody while I play and let it play continuously until I tap it to stop.

Can I do this, if I have wav files? Like here is one of my tracks that I would like to play live, there are many layers and in order to do so I need to trigger them at the right moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao966Pd5gJQ

Would really help if the Roland is the best sampler for me?

Shedboyxx 04-11-2013 01:14 AM

Re: Best sampler/trigger pad?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellakova (Post 1128471)
Hey Jim

I was a little bit confused about the Roland does not accept Midi sequences, what do you mean?

It's important to know the difference from a MIDI file (sequence) and an audio file like a WAV file. A MIDI sequence is just a recording of data reflecting a performance input on a MIDI controller like a MIDI keyboard or percussion controller. A device that can play a MIDI sequence must trigger a sound source. It doesn't care what the sound source is.
The SPD-S can produce audio by a playing the pads which in turn trigger audio the SPD-S has internally or on an additional Compact Flash card that's inserted.

I can also hook up the SPD-S to a computer (with a MIDI interface) that has software that triggers sounds (ex. EZ Drummer, Stylus RMX, etc.) and trigger those sounds from the pads on the SPD-S. I can also create a MIDI sequence in a DAW program like Digital Performer, or Pro Tools or Logic. Once the MIDI sequence is created within the DAW program the MIDI sequence is firing off data to either a hardware (audio)instrument with a MIDI in connection or maybe virtual instrument software withing the computer. The hardware/software (sound source) then produces the sound per the MIDI note number re: volume, pitch, timing, etc.
This performance - without audio - can be exported as a MIDI sequence in a MIDI file format. That MIDI sequence can be imported into any software or hardware that can play back the MIDI info. Again, those are just pieces of data without audio. Whatever plays back the MIDI sequence has to be attached to a MIDI compatible sound source whether internally or externally to make the sound.

Now if you rendered the MIDI performance to an audio file (WAV, MP3, AIFF), the audio file has all of the sound and the performance recorded and is able to be played back on anything that reads the audio file (CD, iTunes, DAWs, Samplers like the SPD-S, etc). These choices are NOT reading and/or playing back MIDI - at all.

Very important to know the difference. Yes the SPD-S can import and play audio when triggered from one of the pads. No it cannot import a MIDI sequence and then play back it's internal audio per MIDI instructions. Yes it can be triggered via MIDI FROM a computer running a DAW which is in turn sending MIDI messages from it's MIDI sequence out of it's MIDI interface connected to the MIDI In connector on the SPD-S.
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellakova (Post 1128471)
For instance I have a similar issue with my live show, I play the keys and would like to be able to play/trigger sequence like a drum beat or a short melody while I play and let it play continuously until I tap it to stop.

Can I do this, if I have wav files? Like here is one of my tracks that I would like to play live, there are many layers and in order to do so I need to trigger them at the right moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao966Pd5gJQ

Would really help if the Roland is the best sampler for me?

The short answer is yes you can do what you want as described. You would create a loop for each different 'layer' by recording audio. You would import it via a Compact Flash card ( you need a USB CF reader/writer for the computer the audio is located on too) You then would assign it to a pad in a patch. You can set the pad to start or stop the loop every time you hit it. just like working with a looper device, you have to play the pads in time if you want them to line up time/groove wise.

There's also a feature called 'Mute Groups' that you should look at in case you need it. It basically means when you hit one pad it silences any other pads in the mute group.

If you haven't downloaded the SPD-S PDF manual yet, I'd suggest you do that. It's free at Roland's website

BTW: If you want the SPD-S you'll have to buy used. Otherwise the newer SPD-SX is on the market.

Once again - make sure you know the difference from an audio loop and a MIDI sequence. You won't get this unless you do.

HTH

Jim

DTX Product Specialist 04-11-2013 06:52 PM

Re: Best sampler/trigger pad?
 
You also want to look at the Yamaha DTXM12. Even though this has a little higher price point it is a very powerful multi-pad with the capability of storing 64MB of user wav files.

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music...product_lineup

MusiQmaN 04-17-2013 12:07 AM

Re: Best sampler/trigger pad?
 
And the Dtxm has so much Useful sounds internal sounds and options most of the time I dont even has to use samples anymore (after starting with a spds about 6 years a go)

I still use ableton Live from time to time for long sequences, which imI control with the Dtxm (and before with the spds)

Florian 04-17-2013 05:12 AM

Re: Best sampler/trigger pad?
 
how bout a DrumKat?

F

Shedboyxx 04-17-2013 06:40 AM

Re: Best sampler/trigger pad?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Florian (Post 1130621)
how bout a DrumKat?

F


Probably the best MIDI Drum controller of them all.

But - No sound source like the SPD or DTX. They are different instruments than the DrumKat for the most part

If you get a laptop with great software and an audio/MIDI interface then the DrumKat is excellent and hard to beat. Without a laptop setup or another MIDI capable sound source, you're just hitting and hearing rubber pads.

Jim


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