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EvansPM 02-19-2009 06:35 AM

Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
As you may have heard, we launched the new Onyx series at NAMM. the series includes Onyx tom/snare heads, an Onyx bass resonant, and an EMAD Onyx. They started shipping out to retailers in late December and I'm just wondering if anyone out there has had the chance to try them yet.

We'd really love to get some feedback.

Thanks,
Mike - Evans Senior Product Manager

timmdrum 02-19-2009 07:48 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
I haven't tried them yet, but I'd like to hear the reviews too. Also, not to hijack the thread, but I'm happy to see a rep from Evans post on the board. I'm really curious about the G-Plus and EC-1 heads- can you give me some insight on what the advantages/tonal differences are between the G-Plus and G1, and the EC-1 and the EC-2? Specifically, I'm wondering what tonal differences a single 12 mil ply yields as compared to a single 10, and what a single 14 mil ply (!) yields compared to a double 7-mil...

It'd be super-awesome if Evans had sound samples on the website.

EvansPM 02-20-2009 04:32 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Glad to help...

the 12mil thickness of the G Plus is going to deliver a slightly darker sound, more attack, and a little more pitch focus compared to a standard 10mil single-ply...but you'll still have the open sound quality and full sustain. It's also significantly more durable.

the difference between the 14mil single-ply EC1 and the 14mil double-ply EC2 is that the EC1 delivers a dense and pitchy tone...still with a decent amount of sustain. The decay of the EC1 is also slower taper (quicker than a standard 1-ply, but more gradual than a 2ply). the feel of the EC1 is also still that of a single-ply...it has a bounce that kicks the stick back quicker.

The EC2 has a more focused low-end and a quick taper to the sustain. It has a beefy and warm tone and a lot of attack. It also has more "stop" in the feel...where the stick doesn't bounce as much and players can "play into the head" more. This is true of double-ply heads in general.

Hope this helps.

Mike

timmdrum 02-20-2009 05:10 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Yeah, very helpful. Thanks for that!

trkdrmr 02-20-2009 05:29 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
I may try the g-plus clear one of these days.

So far any drumhead I put on my Trick kit sounds good in it's own way. I am after the round and slightly dark sound like Mike Portnoy's kit.

I currently have resonant glass on bottom and pinstripes on top. (Emad on the kick and reverse pc on snare over hazy 300)

bear in mind my kit is tonally neutral, it has no peaky overtones.

I tried the following with the following results on my kit:
- G plus coated--- too dry and a touch flat on my drums
- G2 coated- sounded pretty good, but I was after a "wetter" tone
- Ec-2 clears: these tended to flatten the tone of the smallest toms and get a touch slappy on the larger toms.
- G2 clears: pretty good with a dab of moongel, but they favored attack, and were a bit brighter than I was after.

It may sound picky, but so far, the pinstripes have not been as flattening as the ec's, and don't have that bright slap of the clear g2/ec2's.

That is why I am guessing the g plus clears might be right on the money as well.

genericdrummingusername 02-20-2009 05:32 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trkdrmr (Post 543146)
I may try the g-plus clear one of these days.

So far any drumhead I put on my Trick kit sounds good in it's own way. I am after the round and slightly dark sound like Mike Portnoy's kit.

I currently have resonant glass on bottom and pinstripes on top. (Emad on the kick and reverse pc on snare over hazy 300)

bear in mind my kit is tonally neutral, it has no peaky overtones.

I tried the following with the following results on my kit:
- G plus coated--- too dry and a touch flat on my drums
- G2 coated- sounded pretty good, but I was after a "wetter" tone
- Ec-2 clears: these tended to flatten the tone of the smallest toms and get a touch slappy on the larger toms.
- G2 clears: pretty good with a dab of moongel, but they favored attack, and were a bit brighter than I was after.

It may sound picky, but so far, the pinstripes have not been as flattening as the ec's, and don't have that bright slap of the clear g2/ec2's.

That is why I am guessing the g plus clears might be right on the money as well.

Maybe you should try the (drumroll) Blach Onyx heads!

trkdrmr 02-20-2009 05:35 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by genericdrummingusername (Post 543148)
Maybe you should try the (drumroll) Blach Onyx heads!

Coin toss: Onxy or g-plus? I do not want a "performance 2" style thud. I wish I could hear a sample first.

Black onyx? That's "Back black".

genericdrummingusername 02-20-2009 05:43 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trkdrmr (Post 543151)
Coin toss: Onxy or g-plus? I do not want a "performance 2" style thud. I wish I could hear a sample first.

Black onyx? That's "Back black".

Errrrrrrrr I knew that.

EvansPM 02-20-2009 06:10 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
trkdrmr,

I think G Plus clear might be the first thing to try...at least on the smaller drums...then maybe Ec1 clear on the larger drums if you want some control there. Those two heads are made using different thicknesses of the same film type (and the EC1 has the ring as well)...so you're going to have a fairly consistent timbre from drum to drum and it'll give you the open tone on the racks and the fatness on the floors that "I think" i'm reading that you're after.

the Onyx heads are going to be dark, focused, and very punchy. they're great for agressive play, but based on your descriptions of what you've tried and like/disliked about each...they're probably not the right choice for you.

Mike

trkdrmr 02-20-2009 06:23 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EvansPM (Post 543167)
trkdrmr,

I think G Plus clear might be the first thing to try...at least on the smaller drums...then maybe Ec1 clear on the larger drums if you want some control there. Those two heads are made using different thicknesses of the same film type (and the EC1 has the ring as well)...so you're going to have a fairly consistent timbre from drum to drum and it'll give you the open tone on the racks and the fatness on the floors that "I think" i'm reading that you're after.

the Onyx heads are going to be dark, focused, and very punchy. they're great for agressive play, but based on your descriptions of what you've tried and like/disliked about each...they're probably not the right choice for you.

Mike

Ok, sounds fair. Thanks for responding!

It might go to that... 8/10/12 the open g plus clear and the 14/16 the ec-1 clear. Or maybe g-plus+ a dab of moongel if required....hmm decisions

randomhero243 02-20-2009 05:45 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
heres something ive always wanted to know from Evans.

if you go to the Resonant Tom head section ( http://store.daddario.com/category/148286 ) there you will see the G1 and the genera resonant.

both at 10mil heads and neither have them have like a ring on them or something to differentiate them..

whats the difference? lol

BattleArmor 02-20-2009 05:52 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by randomhero243 (Post 543334)
heres something ive always wanted to know from Evans.

if you go to the Resonant Tom head section ( http://store.daddario.com/category/148286 ) there you will see the G1 and the genera resonant.

both at 10mil heads and neither have them have like a ring on them or something to differentiate them..

whats the difference? lol


I heard once that Genera Resonant is supposed to produce brighter tones.

Don't hold me to that, its just something I thought I have heard.

topgun2021 02-23-2009 09:00 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
I haven't tryed them yet, but my impressions are that it is similar to the hydraulics in the fact that is cuts down resination, and relitively similar sounds.

I really liked the hydraulics on a set of yamaha customs, I played on in highschool.

I was going to get the hydraulics for a maple set I have, but I heard that they are better for birch?

I was thinking maybe onyx might be a good substute.

I also love durable heads.

805Drummer 02-23-2009 09:04 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Here's some feedback: http://www.pearldrummersforum.com/sh...d.php?t=221906

In my opinion, if you want to compete with Remo rather than just copy them (which the Onyx heads obviously are), I have an idea:

What if you made limited edition multicolored heads? Red drum heads, blue drum heads, purple drum heads, pink drum heads, yellow drum heads, orange drum heads, green drum heads, and all sorts of colors! Then, you can sell them for a few months, everybody will think you're a trendy, creative company, and the heads will be worth twice as much within 5 years.

GRUNTERSDAD 02-23-2009 09:49 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
I'll be glad to field test a set of 8, 10, 12, and 14 toms heads if you wish..You decide what you would like tested and give me a buzz. I will give you an honest opinion. The description sounds exactly like the sound I am after. Let me know.

805Drummer 02-23-2009 09:53 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD (Post 544607)
I'll be glad to field test a set of 8, 10, 12, and 14 toms heads if you wish..You decide what you would like tested and give me a buzz. I will give you an honest opinion. The description sounds exactly like the sound I am after. Let me know.

Don't you have to pay for them if you want to try them...?

TheArchitect 02-23-2009 10:06 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EvansPM (Post 542636)
As you may have heard, we launched the new Onyx series at NAMM. the series includes Onyx tom/snare heads, an Onyx bass resonant, and an EMAD Onyx. They started shipping out to retailers in late December and I'm just wondering if anyone out there has had the chance to try them yet.

We'd really love to get some feedback.

Thanks,
Mike - Evans Senior Product Manager

I like the Remo Suede series these appear to emulate. I prefer the single ply myself. I think the choice to go with the black is a mistake. They look terrible and will be out of vogue in short order and turns the more traditional user base off which I would think is a larger group.

I think the G Plus line is more unique and fills a niche and should be receiving your marketing push. The 14 ply EQ1 is just a little thick for a single ply. It feels like hitting a practice pad. Its too stiff and the ring sucks the life out of it for my taste. The 12mil might just fit the bill nicely for a fuller sound without going 2ply

GRUNTERSDAD 02-23-2009 10:19 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 805Drummer (Post 544608)
Don't you have to pay for them if you want to try them...?

You don't think Evans can afford 4 drum heads to test. They want us to test them. That is like Beta Testing Computer software. I was among 500 people that beta tested Avery's new Label printing software. They sent us the program, and new labels every week to test and do a project then report on it. Some of those label packs cost more that drum heads. If you want people to test your product you have to put it out there. They have marketing budgets like any other good company.

805Drummer 02-23-2009 10:56 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD (Post 544617)
You don't think Evans can afford 4 drum heads to test. They want us to test them. That is like Beta Testing Computer software. I was among 500 people that beta tested Avery's new Label printing software. They sent us the program, and new labels every week to test and do a project then report on it. Some of those label packs cost more that drum heads. If you want people to test your product you have to put it out there. They have marketing budgets like any other good company.

Hmmm, that makes sense, I guess.

sticksnstonesrus 02-24-2009 02:21 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
I'm with GD on this, I'll second the test. 10, 12 and 14 (X2 for the snare). I'm running a set of Black Suede right now...would be just to have a set of Onyx to compare against.

TheArchitect 02-24-2009 02:53 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Well, if he is kind enough to offer, I would volunteer to try either the Onyx or the GPlus. These heads are on the market now though so I doubt they need such a service at this point

GRUNTERSDAD 02-24-2009 02:54 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
They have only been out since late December according to the first post so they couldn't have too much feed back yet as to how long they last, or age.

805Drummer 02-24-2009 02:57 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
I'd be willing to test out one of the Onyx Emads--my Superkick II broke, and even though Aquarian's sending me a new one, I'd still like to try out another black head for kit.

EvansPM 03-02-2009 05:46 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Thanks for all the comments...and I'm still interested to know what people think of the Onyx once they've tried em. We may start using the forums to select some beta testers to try new product...but we're not ready to do that quite yet.

To answer the question about the Genera Resonant vs the G1 Clear...yes, they both are 10mil thick...but they use different film types. Every film type has it's own unique acoustic signature...and the Genera Reso film produces more upper-mids compared to the G1. It's especially good with a 2-ply top as it returns some of the brilliance and helps the drum project better. When using a 2-ply batter (either G2 or EC2)...the Genera Reso is my first choice. It really helps the drums resonate.

Mike

timmdrum 03-02-2009 08:15 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
when a drum is close-miked from the top side, would any acoustic properties created by the bottom head even make it to the microphone? Would the differences only be heard from a couple of feet away, by a mic (or ear) that can "hear" both heads at once?

EvansPM 03-02-2009 06:37 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
The bottom head will still affect the overall sound...even in a close-micing situation...in much the same way that it affects what you hear from behind the kit, but to a slightly lesser degree.

IneptDrummer 03-03-2009 09:30 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
man I hate to do this to this thread but since an Evans rep is here and I can't seem to find this info anywhere else...

Where can I send a press-package for endorsement purposes/is the Evans endorsement roster open at this point? I heard its been closed completely before.

And to stay on-topic, the Onyx heads look awesome. I'd love to try them out, if nothing else because they would look great on my Tangerine Glass/smoked chrome kit.

schmumoney 03-10-2009 10:06 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
so i just ordered some onyx heads yesterday from my local music store. 12 tom, 14 snare, 16 tom, and a 22 emad. ill let you know what i think about them once i get them tuned up on my kit.

EvansPrez 03-11-2009 04:05 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by IneptDrummer (Post 547662)
man I hate to do this to this thread but since an Evans rep is here and I can't seem to find this info anywhere else...

Where can I send a press-package for endorsement purposes/is the Evans endorsement roster open at this point? I heard its been closed completely before.

And to stay on-topic, the Onyx heads look awesome. I'd love to try them out, if nothing else because they would look great on my Tangerine Glass/smoked chrome kit.

I see that we did not respond to your question. Sorry for the delay. You can send your info/package to Evans Artist Relations, 595 Smith St., Farmingdale, NY 11735

Rick

schmumoney 03-14-2009 10:51 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
will first off they look killer on my sparkly red with black racing stripe gretsch catalina club mob kit. seeing how its a mahagony drum kit its gonna be naturally warm but it still has alot of attack and good focus. im in love with how they sound expecially the bass drum...it has this killer THUMP thats to die for. i had alittle problem with getting the snare drum how i wanted it to sound but i enden up tuning it higher then i normally do it that thing cracks and has really good bite!

joshisaces 05-01-2009 01:16 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Sort of old, but YES! I finally have. I think how I would describe them is 'wet.'

I can't think of the word! D:

JENGLISH817 05-07-2009 05:30 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
I have these on my toms. One word...Fantastic! These look great are extremely easy to tune. I wasn't too fond of the onyx snare batter head though. I went with the Evans EC reverse dot. I like to crank the snare really really tight and with that head it sounds great. Just a little duct tape around the edges and its good to go.

On another note, i still have my factory resonant heads on my toms. Any advice on good resonant heads that will compliment the onyx?

HeadRush 05-07-2009 07:02 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
just curious, but I really want to konw what I should do to get a very resonant sound heard in the audiance? currently I have ec2s and I realize they are not what I need. I use a 10 and a 14 tom.

joshisaces 05-07-2009 07:08 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JENGLISH817 (Post 572641)
I have these on my toms. One word...Fantastic! These look great are extremely easy to tune. I wasn't too fond of the onyx snare batter head though. I went with the Evans EC reverse dot. I like to crank the snare really really tight and with that head it sounds great. Just a little duct tape around the edges and its good to go.

On another note, i still have my factory resonant heads on my toms. Any advice on good resonant heads that will compliment the onyx?

http://images.cafepress.com/image/12412695_400x400.jpg

JENGLISH817 05-24-2009 12:41 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
I took off the duct tape and did a complete re-tune on the Reverse Dot. Much better sounding and looking haha.

Been using the Onyx heads for about a month. They still sound as good as the day I got them. I keep tweeking them every so often, and it just gets better each time. I have finally found my perfect range. I keep em tuned pretty low for that short, punchy sound. Most heads for me to get range I like, the heads are too loose, but these... SUPERB. Great job Evans!

witchcraftery 06-17-2009 04:58 AM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
Back to the original subject....


Evans Onyx sound strangely awesome on snares. They just cut, but are soft at the same time. I played a live gig using someone else's snare, and I was impressed. On toms though... I can't find any reso head / tuning combo that doesn't make them sound like paper towels pulled reaaal tight.

linto1234 07-21-2009 06:30 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
i have a question about the onyx heads. I can't find them in my local music shops and when you go on the internet its mostly coming from evans them selfs. Are you shipping them to multiple countrys at all? cause i live in england and lik i said, cant find them

audiotech 07-21-2009 08:51 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
I too wasn't satified with the sound of the Evans Onyx batter heads and I'm a big Evans fan. I tried them on a Pearl Reference kit and couldn't wait to get the G2's back on.

My local Five Star shop has them here in the US.

Dennis

linto1234 07-23-2009 04:35 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
ok, so i manged to borrow a 14" 2 ply onyx head from one of my friends
and on the snare, it sounded very dark and punchy and dident have a heavy ring to it (which is good cause im sick of my genera hd because of that,) but, if you put any dampening on it, the head goes completly dead and lifeless

kingsxrocks 07-23-2009 07:43 PM

Re: Evans Onyx...anyone tried them?
 
i went to the most recent NAMM, helping out LP at their booth. I was lucky enough to get a demo from Bob Gatzen, R&D for Evans. Showed me all the new Onyx heads man was I impressed. IMO its the first ebony head Evans has done right. The emad sounds of this world. Im sticking to EC2 clear toms & power center snare, but i just might switch to onyx emad & emad reso.


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