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TraxxFactor 01-22-2009 03:25 AM

How could The Offspring do this?
 
I found out recently that The Offspring have basically stolen the guitar riff from a Hawk Nelson song. Here's the proof:

The Offspring (you can skip to 2:45 if you don't want to wait):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Rlr...eature=related

Hawk Nelson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaPBH5BtuCY

Oh and I looked up the dates of the two albums and The Offspring one came out two years later.
Well, there you go. What do you guys think of this?

trkdrmr 01-22-2009 04:22 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TraxxFactor (Post 531659)
I found out recently that The Offspring have basically stolen the guitar riff from a Hawk Nelson song. Here's the proof:

The Offspring (you can skip to 2:45 if you don't want to wait):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Rlr...eature=related

Hawk Nelson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaPBH5BtuCY

Oh and I looked up the dates of the two albums and The Offspring one came out two years later.
Well, there you go. What do you guys think of this?

Did the Offspring credit Hawk in the liner notes?

bojangleman 01-22-2009 04:34 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
hmm..

that's interesting....

it could be just sheer coinsidence..but, it seems like more..

i could contact HN, cause i have a few connections..haha(not bragging..just saying), but i dont want to stir anything up that doesnt need to be..

Alex

oops 01-22-2009 05:46 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
It's honestly a very common occurence.

Check out Sum 41, Nickleback, even Pink etc... on Youtube for other examples.

Sometimes it's coincidence (especially within the realm of pop music) and someone writes a melody/hook that sounds identical to another song. Sometimes it could be the artist ripping off someone else.

It's hard to prove, and there's not really anything you can do about it. If you're really worried, contact Hawk Nelson, make them aware of it, and suggest legal action.

Mediocrefunkybeat 01-22-2009 06:51 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
There's a similarity, but most of music is learning how to hide your sources. And anyway, this one I can see off as coincidence.

Guz2 01-22-2009 09:36 PM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
It happens all the time. Listen to Message in a Bottle by the Police and then listen to Don't Fear The Reaper by BOC. Or More Than A Feeling and Smells Like Teen Spirit

Tutin 01-22-2009 10:12 PM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Yeah, this sort of thing happens all the time. It's not too uncommon. I think this one is a coincidence though.

jer 01-22-2009 10:18 PM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Riff also reminds me of the Kinks, "You Really Got Me".

If you really want to frustrate youself, read up on how much Led Zeppelin "borrowed" riffs.

BattleArmor 01-22-2009 10:34 PM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
They are not really the same, they are just a little similar. Its pretty much the same notes, just a different rhythem. I don't think they copied them though, it is probably a coincidence.

Construct 01-22-2009 10:39 PM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Well, Cold Play (may they rot) "stole" Joe Satriani's "If I Could Fly" riff.

TraxxFactor 01-23-2009 02:56 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Construct (Post 531956)
Well, Cold Play (may they rot) "stole" Joe Satriani's "If I Could Fly" riff.


Oh yeah! I remember reading that on Yahoo. They had media clips of both of them and I don't know about you but Coldplay flat-out stole it. They are EXACTLY the same.

LM201 01-23-2009 02:58 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jer (Post 531949)
Riff also reminds me of the Kinks, "You Really Got Me".

If you really want to frustrate youself, read up on how much Led Zeppelin "borrowed" riffs.

Oh please, when you say it like that, it seems as though you're saying the majority of Zeppelin songs have stolen riffs

aydee 01-23-2009 03:08 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LM201 (Post 532083)
Oh please, when you say it like that, it seems as though you're saying the majority of Zeppelin songs have stolen riffs

They were. Jimmy Page will tell you that himself. A lot of what he did was reworked stuff from Samuel Johnson, and some of the old Memphis blues players.

LM201 01-23-2009 03:10 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aydee (Post 532087)
They were. Jimmy Page will tell you that himself. A lot of what he did was reworked stuff from Samuel Johnson, and some of the old Memphis blues players.

Well, it seems my sarcasm is getting worse and worse....

aydee 01-23-2009 03:12 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LM201 (Post 532089)
Well, it seems my sarcasm is getting worse and worse....


Sorry............................................. .............................. : )

bojangleman 01-23-2009 03:13 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
like, one of my bands songs has the same guitar as When I Come Around by Green Day.

just a different rhythm..

just a coincidence...accidental more than likely..cause the two types of music, i doubt The Offspring listen to HN..lol

Alex

FourOnSix 01-23-2009 04:07 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
dude there are only 12 notes in the western system of music. it's not entirely suprising that there would be some overlap...

zepplin92 01-23-2009 04:18 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you listen the, Go Get a Job by the offspring, its the same melody as OB La Be Ob la Da by the beatles, things happen i dont think people steal stuff outright its just not professional.

dkerwood 01-23-2009 04:40 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
There is nothing new under the sun, boys.

Ripping off other people's music is a long standing tradition in the music world. Mozart, Beethoven, Strauss... they all did it. It's a relatively recent thing for people to claim ownership of their music.

If you really want your head to explode, check this out:

We the Kings song: "Check Yes Juliet (Run Baby Run)"
Released February 4, 2008 on iTunes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1R_txIuuio

Taylor Swift song: "Love Story"
Released September, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4xmxb9K8RI

Both in the same key. Very similar chord structure. Swift's chorus melody is nearly identical to the WtK verse. Both make heavy use of the "Romeo and Juliet" theme. Rip off? Hard to say, but it's VERY close.

End result? I cranked up my DAW and made a mashup. Kind of fun to hear Taylor Swift singing a punk rock song. :-)

Big_Philly 01-23-2009 01:25 PM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Have a look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM

The whole thing is really funny. But if you don't to watch the whole thing, skip to the 2:00 mark and you'll catch up with what you missed soon enough.

Guz2 01-23-2009 06:39 PM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
It's not even an original riff
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mMWNwHof0kc
Kinda...

diosdude 01-23-2009 11:20 PM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Naw, man the riffs are similar but not the same. That's like saying hawk stole from this kinks song too:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBbAZVw3_7A

Destroyer. same riff as you really got me.

Guz2 01-23-2009 11:30 PM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
^It's not You Really Got Me it's All Day And All Night. But those songs sound identicAl anyway, so I forgive you :P

MykeyInChains 01-24-2009 12:09 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Things like that happen all the time. I doubt there was any foul-play involved.

Check this out:

36 songs with the same 4-chord progressions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP0--qwCuek

Hilarious, but interesting at the same time.

Drumsword 01-24-2009 12:14 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
Remember "Come out and Play" by Offspring? they were accused of stealing a riff for that song as well, and may even have gone to court over it. Has been a long time though and I don't remember now which band accused them.

Banzai 01-26-2009 05:05 AM

Re: How could The Offspring do this?
 
I think it's cool just as long as you admit it, we all have influences and we sometimes really like a song or riff or something, also it's a way of paying tribute to the legends, little example: in one of my band songs I use almost the same break (couldn't do it exactly due to time issues) as Neil Peart's Digital Man, 'cause I like it so bad.
If you listen to Dream Theater - Learning to live ending keybord "ambience"
you'll find it's exactly the same chord progression as Rush- Analog Kid.

Banzai


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