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Royal 04-01-2008 05:19 PM

New CPR guidelines
 
Thought this might be of interest to a few out there:

Giving only chest compressions and not breaths

http://handsonlycpr.eisenberginc.com/

Recommendations and Call to Action

All victims of cardiac arrest should receive, at a minimum,
high-quality chest compressions (ie, chest compressions of
adequate rate and depth with minimal interruptions). To
support that goal and save more lives, the AHA ECC
Committee recommends the following.

When an adult suddenly collapses, trained or untrained
bystanders should—at a minimum—activate their community
emergency medical response system (eg, call 911) and
provide high-quality chest compressions by pushing hard and
fast in the center of the chest, minimizing interruptions (Class I).

● If a bystander is not trained in CPR, then the bystander
should provide hands-only CPR (Class IIa). The rescuer
should continue hands-only CPR until an automated external
defibrillator arrives and is ready for use or EMS
providers take over care of the victim.

● If a bystander was previously trained in CPR and is
confident in his or her ability to provide rescue breaths
with minimal interruptions in chest compressions, then the
bystander should provide either conventional CPR using a
30:2 compression-to-ventilation ratio (Class IIa) or handsonly
CPR (Class IIa). The rescuer should continue CPR
until an automated external defibrillator arrives and is
ready for use or EMS providers take over care of the
victim.

● If the bystander was previously trained in CPR but is not
confident in his or her ability to provide conventional CPR
including high-quality chest compressions (ie, compressions
of adequate rate and depth with minimal interruptions)
with rescue breaths, then the bystander should give
hands-only CPR (Class IIa). The rescuer should continue
hands-only CPR until an automated external defibrillator
arrives and is ready for use or EMS providers take over the
care of the victim.
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Bob Smith 04-01-2008 05:30 PM

Re: New CPR guidelines
 
does this mean you have to get recertified
because i just got certified not to long ago

DogBreath 04-01-2008 06:21 PM

Re: New CPR guidelines
 
Those instructions are a fantastic way to kill someone.

/certified CPR instructor, American Heart Assoc. and Red Cross, 20+ years

jonescrusher 04-01-2008 08:05 PM

Re: New CPR guidelines
 
bystanders should activate their community
emergency medical response system (eg, call 911)



lmao, I can picture the scene - "somebody, ANYBODY! Activate the community emergency medical response system! I'm having a heart attack!"

DogBreath 04-01-2008 09:01 PM

Re: New CPR guidelines
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Royal (Post 425167)
When an adult suddenly collapses, trained or untrained
bystanders should—at a minimum—activate their community
emergency medical response system (eg, call 911) and
provide high-quality chest compressions by pushing hard and
fast in the center of the chest, minimizing interruptions (Class I).

Right. Without checking the airway, and without even checking to see if there is a pulse. Cadaver, party of one, your table is ready. Haven't they heard of fainting? Or choking? Not everyone who "suddenly collapses" is having a heart attack! Give chest compressions to someone who has only fainted and you can stop their heart. Give chest compressions to someone who has a compromised airway (as from choking) and they'll be brain dead in about four minutes.

Royal 04-01-2008 09:19 PM

Re: New CPR guidelines
 
Interesting.........


Last year it was 20:2

Last week it was 30:2

I was told about the research into giving only chest compressions and not breaths about a year ago.
I didn't think it would be approved (I'm not convinced it is) so soon.

If other qualified people like yourselves (Bob Smith & DogBreath) haven't heard about it or agree with it, then the boffins should get it together so we all know what is the best method.
If it's proved to be better it should be shouted from the rooftops.....

What method do the emergency services use in your part of the world?

DogBreath 04-01-2008 09:30 PM

Re: New CPR guidelines
 
Giving only chest compressions and not breaths may be well and good. I was referring to the instructions in the original post. Incomplete instructions for emergency medical proceedures are a Bad Thing, esecially when read by people who wouldn't know that they were incomplete.

GRUNTERSDAD 04-01-2008 11:04 PM

Re: New CPR guidelines
 
DB, your last two posts are brilliant and right on. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. As someone who learned CPR way back in 1966, one thing that hasn't changed is to check for a pulse and a clear airway. Everyone needs to know this procedure, but please learn it from a certified instructor and not from a list of instructions on the internet, or newspaper. In my years I have had opportunity to use it 3 times. Once unsuccessful, the other two just checking the airway and tilting the head back induced breathing and that's all that was needed. Please be careful.


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