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cdrums21 03-13-2008 01:20 AM

Madonna in R&R hall of fame before rock icons??
Does anyone else find it a bit perplexing that Madonna has been inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame this year, yet rock icons like KISS and Alice Cooper for instance aren't there yet? How does that happen? It is the ROCK & ROLL hall of fame right? Still scratching my head.....

GRUNTERSDAD 03-13-2008 01:33 AM

Re: Madonna in R&R hall of fame before rock icons??
I have been looking to see what their entry requirements are since to me ROCK AND ROLL should not include Hip Hop and Rap, but I don't know their requirements.

From their website. Along with Madonna was Leonard Cohen?? Long time rocker I guess.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame honors the legendary performers, producers, songwriters, disc jockeys and others who have made rock and roll the force that it is in our culture. For over two decades, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation has been nominating and electing those figures, and honoring them at an annual ceremony that has become one of the most celebrated events of the year, and certainly one of the hottest tickets in rock.

In sometimes poignant, sometimes hilarious speeches, artists toast their peers and forebears in rock, followed by rollicking, once-in-a-lifetime performances that make history as much as pay tribute to it. Ceremonies have featured many unforgettable moments: like when Mick Jagger, Tina Turner, Bob Dylan, members of the Beach Boys and Bruce Springsteen, among others, shared the same stage, or when Santana performed “Black Magic Woman” with ex-Fleetwood Mac member Peter Green, the song’s composer and original performer.

Once inducted, the artists are further honored when they are featured in the Museum’s Hall of Fame exhibit, which includes a computerized “jukebox” containing virtually every song of every performer inductee; etched-glass signatures of the inductees; a film on three huge screens recounting their careers and music; and a display of artifacts from the current year’s inductees.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum is the nonprofit organization that exists to educate visitors, fans and scholars from around the world about the history and continuing significance of rock and roll music. It carries out this mission both through its operation of a world-class museum that collects, preserves, exhibits and interprets this art form and through its library and archives as well as its educational programs.

The main criticism is that the nomination process is controlled by a few individuals, such as founder Jann Wenner, former foundation director Suzan Evans, and writer Dave Marsh, reflecting their tastes rather than the views of the rock world as a whole. A former member of the nominations board once said:

At one point Suzan Evans lamented the choices being made because there weren't enough big names that would sell tickets to the dinner. That was quickly remedied by dropping one of the doo-wop groups being considered in favor of a 'name' artist ... I saw how certain pioneering artists of the 50s and early 60s were shunned because there needed to be more name power on the list, resulting in 70s superstars getting in before the people who made it possible for them. Some of those pioneers still aren't in today — but Queen is.[5]

Petitions with tens of thousands of signatures were also being ignored and some groups that were signed with certain labels or companies or were affiliated with various committee members have even been put up for nomination with no discussion at all.[5]

Another criticism is that too many artists are inducted, allowing for several lesser acts to make it in. In fifteen years, 97 different artists have been inducted. A minimum of 50% of the vote is needed to be inducted, although the final percentages are not announced and a certain number of inductees (5 in 2007) is set before the ballots are shipped.[6] The committee usually nominates a small number of artists (9 in 2007) and they are coming from an increasing number of different genres. Several voters, including Joel Selvin, who himself is a former member of the nominating committee, didn't submit their ballots in 2007, with the reason being that they didn't feel any of the candidates were truly worthy.[7]

There are very few progressive rock bands in the hall, with Pink Floyd[8] being the only true progressive rock group inducted. This has been noted by the columnist John Sinkevics, who notes the genre has more fan backing than any other.[8]
Letter sent to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame from the Sex Pistols
Letter sent to Rock and Roll Hall of Fame from the Sex Pistols

The Sex Pistols, inducted in 2006, refused to attend the ceremony, calling the museum a "piss stain."

PinkZepplin 03-13-2008 02:37 AM

Re: Madonna in R&R hall of fame before rock icons??
Kiss deserves to be in the rock & roll hall of fame about half as much as madonna. I was under the impression that you had to be a musician to get in, but apparently I am mistaken.

The better question is why isn't Bethoveen in there? Apparently the rock & roll hall of fame has become the musician's hall of fame, so it seems appropriate to me that He be inducted, as well as a number of other classical composers.

The Rock & Roll hall of fame carries no where near the prestige that it should. It's really kind of depressing.

rendezvous_drummer 03-13-2008 04:08 AM

Re: Madonna in R&R hall of fame before rock icons??
Absolute bollocks, that's all I can say.

LiveGoat 03-13-2008 07:48 AM

Re: Madonna in R&R hall of fame before rock icons??
The Thomas Jefferson Slave Apartments (a great punk band from Columbus, OH) said it best:


Bombs away on the Rock 'n Roll hall of fame
Even if I get indicted I'd probably feel the same
I don't want to see Eric Clapton's stuffed baby
I don't want to see the shotgun of Kurt Cobain
Bombs away bombs away
Cleveland's cool, Cleveland's cool
I don't want to see the liver of David Crosby
I don't want to see all the drugs I couldn't take
I don't want to see collector scum pay

Blow it up, blow it up
Blow it up before Johnny Rotten gets in
Blow it up before Paul Westerberg sits in
Blow it up before Steve Albini gives a speech
Bombs Away Bombs Away

nate 03-13-2008 02:50 PM

Re: Madonna in R&R hall of fame before rock icons??
i think modonna has had some great tunes over the years.

hall of fame is a bit silly, but she's done (doesn't matter if you like her or not) a lot for music over the years....she's had some amazing tunes......

burnthehero 03-13-2008 03:41 PM

Re: Madonna in R&R hall of fame before rock icons??
Further proof that the R&R Hall of Fame is a complete and utter farce.

Fur drummer 03-14-2008 02:40 AM

Re: Madonna in R&R hall of fame before rock icons??
I don't think she should have been inducted before some of the great rock icons. When I think of Madonna I really don't think of great R&R, more like pop. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is just a name really. Isn't there some jazz artists in there also? I can think of some great artist that changed rock and made music history that should have been in before Madonna. She was a drummer in her boyfriend's band back in high school so it's cool to see a another drummer get in. LOL.

Does the R&R Hall of Fame still have that great collection of drum sticks?

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