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aberyclark 01-10-2006 01:56 AM

Karen Carpenter
 
She deserves to go under the "ladies" section. Check out this old video of Karen performing http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...6&q=carpenters

LiveGoat 01-10-2006 02:11 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter needs to be featured on Drummerworld
 
Agreed!

That footage was great. She had impeccable timing. And to be able to sing like that while behind the kit...

She gets my vote.

LG

Stu_Strib 01-10-2006 11:29 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Better than Ringo on "Help!"

(just kidding Bernhard, but definitely a better singer than Ringo!)

Loge 01-11-2006 06:08 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Saw a clip of her long ago performing straight ahead bop at the Newport Jazz Festival (no singing) and just burnin'. Never thought of the Carpenters the same way again.

SimSalaBim 01-31-2006 11:10 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Excellent drummer, and even better singer. RIP Karen.

Ashton Drum's 02-01-2006 09:43 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Not a dry eye in the house as velvet-voiced anorexic Karen carpenter cordons off her heart to the song goodbye to love great song and as said great drummer while singing

Rockter 02-01-2006 02:23 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Some good hi-hat work too, and Bossanova, and good timing.

I liked the black sticks too, and the concert toms.

Always a very fine singer, never off tone.

Tex12 02-03-2006 12:28 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
They say Karen was serious about her drumming

adorno 02-03-2006 12:31 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tex12
They say Karen was serious about her drumming

I think she wanted to play drums more but was forced to solely be a singer for commercial reasons. People say this was just one of the many factors that led to her condition...

Womble 02-03-2006 12:33 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Goodness me, yes it looks like she was very serious about her drumming. Lovely time, great wrist/finger one-hand 16th note business going on. RIP indeed.

I've never seen her mentioned in threads/any discussion about good female drummers, yet surely she was one of the first, no? I am completely ingorant about this subject, but just going by the footage...

mlehnertz 02-03-2006 05:59 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
She's probably the first one that any of us are aware of.

The problem with Karen Carpenter is that her singing ability, eating disorders and the fact that she was a woman in a male-dominated role, overshadowed her considerable talent on the drums.

I knew a lot of girls that took up drums because of her.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Womble
I've never seen her mentioned in threads/any discussion about good female drummers, yet surely she was one of the first, no? I am completely ingorant about this subject, but just going by the footage...


NouveauCliche 02-03-2006 06:13 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Wow! I never thought I'd hear the Carpenters go into a crazy jam on a Beatles tune. That was pretty cool! She had outstanding control over her voice while drumming...those vibratos at the end of some of those notes she hit were outstanding, especially for someone PLAYING the drums.

mattsamoto 02-03-2006 07:30 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
She was voted drummer of the year in some magazine's reader poll (Rolling Stone maybe?) beating out none other than John Bonham.

Coz 02-03-2006 11:41 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Very Impressive...I love drummers who bring more to the table than the beat.

Togg 02-06-2006 05:36 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
She's always been overlooked but I have always loved the simple way she played, the management tried their hardest to get her out from behind the kit, but that was where she was happiest.

Great drummer, great lady!

Barry 08-05-2006 08:35 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
The link in the top post doesn't work anymore, but here's a different one.

nhzoso 08-05-2006 10:27 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Nice find, I actually forgot that she used to play drums because I only saw her do it once. This one of her doing ticket to ride is awesome. Beautiful woman with a great voice, and a great drummer to boot..

Ashton Drum's 08-05-2006 11:54 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Thanks for the link Barry that was awsome

dawg 08-07-2006 02:57 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
when i saw the video of "only just begun" i thought another meg white type. but then i saw a video snippet of her soloing and man she had chops for sure.underrated drummer.

neilpscuz 08-11-2006 01:34 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
A great drummer, and a FANTASTIC singer who left us far to soon. RIP Karen, if only you could have hung out longer......Thanks so much for the thread, and the clips, awesome stuff.

gmrakich 08-11-2006 02:37 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu_Strib
Better than Ringo on "Help!"

(just kidding Bernhard, but definitely a better singer than Ringo!)

Hey dude...Ringo OWNED the four notes he could sing.

Fullback32 08-11-2006 03:45 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Karen Carpenter set a precendent for female drummers. My favorite female drummer though is Caroline Corr. She did a solo during "Toss the Feathers" that was outstanding. She rules!

dhsc19 01-29-2007 06:52 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aberyclark (Post 61259)
She deserves to go under the "ladies" section. Check out this old video of Karen performing http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...6&q=carpenters

Dear Lord, yes! Can someone out there fix this? MEG WHITE is listed there, for goodness sakes! At least Ringo had some flare. This is an insult to ALL drummers, male or female!

dhsc19 01-29-2007 07:09 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Dear Maintainers of Drummerworld.com,

Can someone please tell me that they see something horribly wrong with this picture?

Listed under the female drummers is MEG WHITE???!!! And KAREN CARPENTER is NOT????!!!! We're talking about someone who had REAL talent being left out of this list while MEG WHITE is considered to even be a musician?

I want an explaination for this. As someone who thought I could respect this site as a place to find a repository of TALENT, I find this to be utter blasphemy to the world of MUSICIANS as a whole. There are many of us that work hard at sharpenning our skills and honing our talents and yet maybe never even get noteriety past our garages. But the omission of Karen Carpenter over Meg White is almost like considering a work consisting of a crucifix inside a urinal and calling it "Christ Piss" a real work of art. And unfortunately both occurances have already transpired in the real world. What's next, let's give Milli Vanilli a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame? (I'm not surprised if they already did...) What a sick and sad world we live in.

Sincerely,

Carlo Virtucio

Bernhard 01-29-2007 07:19 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
I think KC was a good drummer, but surely not great (...as a drummer I mean...).

Meg White is a very limited drummer - i know - and she knows too.

For KC i had 450 votes to include
For Meg i had 58900 votes to include...

Bernhard

Morgenthaler 01-30-2007 02:48 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fullback32 (Post 191759)
Karen Carpenter set a precendent for female drummers. My favorite female drummer though is Caroline Corr. She did a solo during "Toss the Feathers" that was outstanding. She rules!

If you are talking about the album version, it's Simon Phillips playing "Toss The Feathers", but if you are talking live, i'm sure she did a good job. She's not bad at all. Cheers,

dhsc19 01-31-2007 07:25 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernhard (Post 269359)
I think KC was a good drummer, but surely not great.(...as a drummer I mean...)

Meg White is a very limited drummer - i know - and she knows too.

For KC i had 450 votes to include
For Meg i had 58900 votes to include...

Bernhard

I understand that most people only think of KC as wonderful singer, and she certainly was. But I hope people would do themselves a favor and do a search for "Karen Carpenter drums" on youtube or google video and check out the "Dancin' in the Streets" clip. Sure, she's not exactly legendary, but she was certainly more than just a "good" drummer. She was excellent. And she was be-bop jazz drummer before her "Carpenters" fame. I don't care how good or not as good she was compared to Buddy Rich, but it still takes some amount of skill to hang with the be-bop.

I can understand the general pop culture will easily recognize Meg White over Karen Carpenter as a drummer. Most people would probably think "Karen Carpenter...her drumming on 'Close to You' was hardly drumming at all....yawn. Now, that Meg White, she's a rock drummer...yeah!) But, try putting the "Dancin in the Streets" clip against The White Stripes "Doorbell" video up for vote.

Think of it this way. There's a large general public who only recognizes Phil Collins as a singer. "Yeah...his drumming on 'One More Night'...that wasn't even a real person..." Yet, I'm sure there are many of us here that would not hesitate to educate our poor, uninformed friends of Phil Collins drumming skills.

I'm not stating that anyone be removed. What I am stating that it seems such a dishonor to not have someone who's number heart and soul passion was the drums (according to the many testimonies of her friends and families in the documentaries about her) listed in this site. She should be listed under the "ladies" section. Vote or no vote. And if there is someone out there that doesn't know why, then it should be the honor of drummerworld to educate our uninformed friends, shouldn't it?

michael drums 01-31-2007 07:50 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Hey look, Karen Carpenter was a really nice drummer! All the videos and audios of her certaintly back this up. I'd even put her up as one of the best female drummers ever. And I'll go to bed soon and sleep VERY well knowing this fact. She was just a wonderfully gifted talent that doesn't come around very often. She will always be remembered for her flawless, unique, one-of-a-kind singing voice. But her drumming ability should never be over-shadowed by that fact. To lose such a talent, at such a young age, really makes it sting alot more. Even to this day, we miss her so...Play On!

syoshii 01-31-2007 08:51 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by adorno (Post 74374)
I think she wanted to play drums more but was forced to solely be a singer for commercial reasons. People say this was just one of the many factors that led to her condition...

Yeah, I saw a documentary TV program about Karen a couple of years ago and someone said in that program that she was very serious about drumming and insisted to play drums and sing, but forced to sing in front, wearing a feminie dress, without playing drums, by a record company or something.

Ruok 02-01-2007 12:59 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by syoshii (Post 270335)
Yeah, I saw a documentary TV program about Karen a couple of years ago and someone said in that program that she was very serious about drumming and insisted to play drums and sing, but forced to sing in front, wearing a feminie dress, without playing drums, by a record company or something.

I think I saw that documentary. If I remember correctly, Richard Carpenter said that Karen considered herself a drummer first and a singer second.

mikei 02-01-2007 01:42 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
In the book "Stairway to Heaven", I read about John Bonham placing 2nd in voting to Karen in either 74, 75 or 76 in a music pole.

He went berserk in his hotel room, ranting and raving about how she was nothing to him and he was the best drummer alive.

It was funny to read about.

She was a good drummer though.

dawg 02-01-2007 02:05 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
i'd like to see or hear more of her drumming...i know she seemed kind of buddy rich inspired in some solos i've seen. perhaps those people weren't all wrong in that poll.

Skynman 02-16-2007 01:25 PM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
I agree Karen Carpenter does deserve recognition as a drummer especially considering that in the late 1960's and early 1970's she led the way for other female drummers to enter the spotlight breaking new ground for all women in percussion! It is a shame that the music companys back then did not realize that Karen sounded just as good singing on drums as in front of them and the we the public accepted her either way! A female singer and drummer! She played an eight piece set of drums and singing! Richard Karens brother wrote most of the songs for the group and played the piano. So the sound of the Carpenters was a joint effort and I think the drum tracks that Karen did fit perfectly with the songs!

zambizzi 05-20-2007 09:38 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Here's an updated link on YouTube - a collection of KC performances including a great solo on broadcast TV:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6dJUnh6N8-U

mikei 05-22-2007 05:30 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
Very impressive.

I had no idea she was that good.

I can see why she got some votes over Bonzo in a readers pole!

NUTHA JASON 05-22-2007 06:30 AM

Re: Karen Carpenter
 
karen is one of my favourite female drummers and drummers full stop. just listen to the recording of 'on top of the world' she plays great groove and tasty licks throughout.

plus she sings like an angel and her singing rhythms often go crazily against what she's doing on the drums and yet she never misses a beat. she is very under rated as a talent. a true legend of a performer.

j

Jusstickinaround 06-20-2007 05:44 AM

You Don't See This Too Often
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdHyzGXAJPg
Watch the whole thing, I'll think you'll be impressed.

Deathmetalconga 06-20-2007 05:54 AM

Re: You Don't See This Too Often
 
Wow, she was pretty good. Who was she playing with that looked just like her?

T.Underhill 06-20-2007 06:07 AM

Re: You Don't See This Too Often
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathmetalconga (Post 324339)
Who was she playing with that looked just like her?

You serious?? I know 70's camera tricks are clever.

I must say I am very, very impressed. I had no idea she could play like that!! That segment was well put together and fun to watch too.

T.Underhill 06-20-2007 06:18 AM

Re: You Don't See This Too Often
 
So I don't doubt that she's playing all that, it's obvious but some of the sounds don't match up. There's some crashes you don't hear then crashing when she didn't hit anything...


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