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mattsamoto 10-14-2005 07:44 PM

Phil Rudd
 
Good thing I joined this forum. How can you have a list of drummers with no Phil Rudd.

The guy defines the word 'solid'.

he always reminds me that you can keep it simple and interesting. I think the album Highway to Hell has some of the most tasteful drumming.

Anyone else? Eh?

NUTHA JASON 10-14-2005 08:14 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
phil rudd.

one of the finest drum teachers alive. i mean it.

j

cjl71178 10-14-2005 09:33 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
I agree...in the dictionary for the word "solid", Phil's picture should be right next to it!

largo61 10-16-2005 01:51 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
The only way to describe Phil Rudd is "Simple Perfection". He doesn't do anything too fancy. He just does what fits perfect with the song. He is definately one of my favorite drummers. To bad he was gone from AC/DC for so long. He is back now but for the longest time it was Chris Slade and someone else I can't remember. The Razors edge was recorded using Chris Slade. Not that he wasn't a good drummer, but he was no Phil Rudd. I doubt rudd has ever used a splash in his life.

NUTHA JASON 10-17-2005 08:04 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
funnily enough phil also doesn't use a ride. he just has loads of really big crashes. does kind of beg the question though: is a 22 '' crash not a ride? when does one change into the other?

j

DrumGod 10-17-2005 05:52 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
I love phils less is more attitude as it shows he aint in the band to be the star he is doing a drummers job and keep the timing solid etc

DogBreath 10-17-2005 06:00 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mattsamoto
Good thing I joined this forum. How can you have a list of drummers with no Phil Rudd.

Welcome to the DrummerWorld forum. This forum exists as an extension of the main DrummerWorld site, which of course has a page devoted entirely to Phill Rudd, including pictures, a biography, and a list of bands that he has played with.

bigbang 10-23-2005 04:00 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
i'm sorry guy's but i take exception to this ... i have worked long and hard ( as probably many of you have) to get to the cusp of being fairly professional only to have people praise a guy that keeps 2&4 mediocrely. It's like a meg white arguement.Just because they are in a popular band they get the world of drummers thrown at their feet.This really pisses me off.And don't say that he SERVES the music 'cause there is plenty of space in acdc's songs that a good fill would augment the song...

bigbang 10-23-2005 05:05 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
sorry guy's i never had the chance to finish my reply...that being said(what i said above)i still think that "BACK IN BLACK " is probably the one of the best rock albums ever.....i also thought "FLICK OF THE SWITCH " was their most underated....

Mcot2 10-24-2005 05:32 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbang
i'm sorry guy's but i take exception to this ... i have worked long and hard ( as probably many of you have) to get to the cusp of being fairly professional only to have people praise a guy that keeps 2&4 mediocrely. It's like a meg white arguement.Just because they are in a popular band they get the world of drummers thrown at their feet.This really pisses me off.And don't say that he SERVES the music 'cause there is plenty of space in acdc's songs that a good fill would augment the song...

If your a "fairly professional" drummer and you can't appreciate phil rudd then you have a long way to go sir.

fourstringdrums 10-24-2005 05:58 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
I never really appreciated Phil Rudd until after I read an interview with Lars Ulrich where he talked about how Phil plays behind the beat alittle bit. I never knew this and then one day I heard AC/DC on the radio and it hit me how much he does play behind the beat alittle. It does so much for the song. By that alone you know whether it's him or not.

Nutha, it never occured to me that he doesn't use a ride :)

NUTHA JASON 10-24-2005 10:17 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
playing behind the beat is a crucial skill for drummers who want to sound fat. often what makes the ;less is more' drummers great is their abilty to play around the marker so subtly that it takes a good drummer to spot it but joe public just feels the sex groove there.


in rhythm mag a while ago they interviewd phill and he said he doesn't use a ride.
j

drummerstix_au 10-24-2005 05:11 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
I remember my very first drum lesson sometime around 1980-81... my drum teacher goes through my records... pulls out AC/DC's Highway to Hell.

He started me just playing a simple 2 & 4, ever since Phill Rudd has been the back bone of my playing style.

ewanlaing 10-24-2005 08:51 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
i just got the album "let there be rock". he is VERY solid, and i noticed he keeps the high hat pedal going throughout. a sign that he really feels the beat. it's funny he doesn't use a ride, but then he doesn't seem to use any of his toms either most of the time. you can tell he is good from how perfect the start of "whole lotta rosie" sounds.

mesabplayer 01-10-2006 01:24 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Solid,Steady, an absolutely awesome drummer....

Stu_Strib 01-10-2006 01:50 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Intangibly great. Just play along with headphones and see why. He's just more proof why all the up and coming young chops-driven drummers need to just slow down a bit and figure out the 2&4 first.

lilblakdak 02-14-2006 05:54 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
I pattern my whole style after Phil. Everything from my playing to my sound. Dirty Deeds is a fave.

pcmckay 02-14-2006 09:21 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
I have always enjoyed playing along with AC/DC records or CD's (which ever era your from). Phil is very solid and creates such a great groove with Angus's guitar riffs. I am glad people are talking about him on this web site, I think a lot of drummers take him for granted.

ewanlaing 02-15-2006 03:18 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
there's something very professional about him, even though most of his stuff isn't too hard to play. you can tell he's really good, just by listening to his basic rock beat.
i can't quite place my finger on it...

lilblakdak 02-15-2006 04:01 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Its knowing what not to play that makes Phil great. think of how the groove on Highway to Hell would have been ruined with a great Potnoyesque (new word alert) fill at the end of every verse. Its like Willy Nelson says about alot of singers, "Theyre trying to hard, just relax and sing"

Leadfoot 02-15-2006 04:20 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbang
i'm sorry guy's but i take exception to this ... i have worked long and hard ( as probably many of you have) to get to the cusp of being fairly professional only to have people praise a guy that keeps 2&4 mediocrely. It's like a meg white arguement.Just because they are in a popular band they get the world of drummers thrown at their feet.This really pisses me off.And don't say that he SERVES the music 'cause there is plenty of space in acdc's songs that a good fill would augment the song...

I've seen dozens of bands do AC-DC cover tunes, it's amazing how nobody ever really mimics Phils groove. Most of the players, even an AC-DC tribute band I've seen, throw in that seemingly good augmenting fill or too busy on the bass drum or whatever only to completely destroy the feel of the song. Just an observation, not trying to be argumentative.
I got to see Phil with AC-DC in 1979, when Bon Scott was still around. Kewl.

shuffle 02-15-2006 04:27 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Layin' out a very solid groove, that's what he's all about.

I also saw them live, and you can tell that he's in charge back there.

tamaman 02-16-2006 03:21 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
I would say that Phil was not one of my favorite drummers but I also grew up in the era of greats such as Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford, John Bonham,Neil Peart and Stewart Copeland . I am not going to cut Phil down as the music that he played served the interests of AC/DC and not Phil Rudd. He appears to be more comfortable as a "team" player. Kind of like Charlie Watts for the "Rolling Stones".

pcmckay 02-20-2006 09:29 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbang
i'm sorry guy's but i take exception to this ... i have worked long and hard ( as probably many of you have) to get to the cusp of being fairly professional only to have people praise a guy that keeps 2&4 mediocrely. It's like a meg white arguement.Just because they are in a popular band they get the world of drummers thrown at their feet.This really pisses me off.And don't say that he SERVES the music 'cause there is plenty of space in acdc's songs that a good fill would augment the song...

Not putting fills in all of the empty spaces in their music is the whole point of why he is a great drummer. He understands letting the music flow and not taking away from the groove by playing to busy. Just like Ringo, Charlie Watts, and Larry Mullens Jr.

ewanlaing 02-20-2006 11:26 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
just got the "stiff upper lip" dvd. very cool to watch him drumming, as he uses those cool black sticks metal drummers use. his drumming on the dvd is just as good, if not even more perfect for the music. and his kit sounds really good as well.

BURROWS™ 02-21-2006 11:04 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
I really like Phil Rudd's drumming. I think his finest work is on Highway to Hell

Samf 02-21-2006 06:03 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Bigbang I don't agree with you. There are a lot of drummers out there that only play what the music calls for and you don't get to see their entire range or skill sets. Charlie Watts, Steve Smith and Phill Rudd are just a few. Phill keeps solid time and does not over play he fits in. Steve Smith in the Journey days played what the music required and so does Charlie Watts.

Watched a music video of the Stones and AC/DC (well Angus and Malcom) playing some R&B together. Well you could tell the dif in Charlie right away. He has an interest in Jazz so I have read and it showed. He was letting it "Swing" and sounded great. He was smiling ear to ear which you never see with the typical Stones songs....

Big Fills, Smoke, Fire, and acid rain are great but there is something about a drummer who lays down a solid groove that is crisp and clean (ie Rick Latham, or Purdie) that is the mark of a real pro IMHO....

JT1 05-08-2006 04:51 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Yes Phil is a fantastic drummer just because he doesn't overplay what some people love to see in songs today. It is wrong to say that he is bad because he isn't! For instance ok it may not be the flashiest drum beat in the world but i think the intro to High Voltage kicks ass! He also has very good stamina as he can keep 'Whole lotta Rosie' and 'Let there be Rock' goin constantly on the hi-hats at that speed for that long, which i find quite difficult. Chris Slade was also a good example of a solid drummer who could lay down a groove! Listen to Fire Your guns on Live in Donnington man this guy has stamina!

rockbeat 05-09-2006 05:31 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
I've always said that Rudd's drumming was (at least almost) as important to the overall AC/DC sound as Angus and Malcolm's guitar work. Sure they went through that period without him okay, but for me it just wasn't the real AC/DC until Phil rejoined.

mlaugh 09-13-2006 07:17 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Yeah AC/DC is one of my favorite groups...............He lays the line for the beat. Phil is the best I have ever heard for keepin a solid foundation for music. Wow if I could just have the Sonar custom drumset he has........................

mlaugh

DWfan20005 01-29-2007 02:32 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Not a idol status drummer but still able to keep a beat and he does define the word solid.

Pearl Player 01-29-2007 03:17 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
LOL this is funny.. On another forum I am on there was a thread there about back in black. So today I pulled out all my AC DC cds and played to em all..

Yep Excellent Drummer...

Mike

nebula821 07-13-2007 10:17 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Well, in the wonderfully subjective world of music, I get to not like this guy's playing. I like a little dynamics in music and this guy makes a living off this basic rock beat that anyone can play. He should be good at it, it's all he does. No thanks. Very overrated band IMO.

latzanimal 07-13-2007 10:33 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by largo61 (Post 31668)
To bad he was gone from AC/DC for so long. He is back now but for the longest time it was Chris Slade and someone else I can't remember. The Razors edge was recorded using Chris Slade. Not that he wasn't a good drummer, but he was no Phil Rudd. I doubt rudd has ever used a splash in his life.

Simon Wright is someone else you can't remember. He also played with DIO for a short. Chris Slade is no Phil Rudd, sure, but his resume is equally if not more impressive (the Firm, Manfred Mann just to mention a couple).....

Back to Phil........

mikei 07-16-2007 11:16 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Phil is the man!

My teacher wanted to teach me "Rock and Roll aint Noise Pollution" and I was hesitant. I thought it would be very boring.

He told me to play it just as it is. As close to note for note as possible.

He explained that it is a difficult song to play because of the tempo. The tempo is in the middle of fast and slow, and therefore the groove is hard to feel.

It is an easy song technically to play, but to keep a solid, simple groove locked in with so much space is a bit of a chore. Phil makes it sound so good.

ACDC rocks with the most basic of guitar, bass and drum parts yet sounds so great.

graham rogers 07-17-2007 02:36 AM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
yeah, phil is super.. one of the best.
when i was a kid, i used to stare at the back cover of the "if you want blood album" for hours. i love his hi hat sound.
he is probably the reason i use sonor drums today!
the footage of him at a "rock goes to college" gig in 1978 is superb.

Muckster 07-17-2007 04:52 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by graham rogers (Post 336319)
yeah, phil is super.. one of the best.
when i was a kid, i used to stare at the back cover of the "if you want blood album" for hours. i love his hi hat sound.
he is probably the reason i use sonor drums today!
the footage of him at a "rock goes to college" gig in 1978 is superb.

Yeah, that drum set shot was bad ass.

graham rogers 07-18-2007 03:07 PM

Re: Phil Rudd
 
you could almost smell the venue!

ZildjianMan1023 07-28-2007 02:00 AM

Drummer From Ac/Dc
 
why does he always start most of his songs off with clicking the hi hat?

fourstringdrums 07-28-2007 02:02 AM

Re: Drummer From Ac/Dc
 
That's just how he chose to start off the song.

Hopefully this doesn't turn into a:

- Why does he play the same beat every song?

- Why does he almost never play fills in every song?

- Why when he does play a fill is it always the same in every song?

thread.


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