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NouveauCliche 09-03-2005 06:07 AM

Ari Hoenig
 
www.arihoenig.com (Check out ANY of the 4 video clips)


I first saw Ari with Kenny Warner about 2 years ago at our college. He came into the gig with just his cymbals and asked to see what kind of sets the college had for use, etc. He ended up playin on I belive a tama 16inch floor as a kick, a snare, two rides and hats. It was probably the most life changing drumming experience I'd has since I first saw Buddy Rich. Ari Hoenig isn't a chops god, though he has his share, it's his absolute MUSICALITY that drove me insane. I watch an entire orchestra/big band standing off to the sides of the stage in literal silent awe of what they were seeing him play. HIs phrasing and the sheer amount of different and most importantly, MUSICAL tones he was able to draw from that minimalist kit was amazing. I was in literal shock for a while after. He completely changed my idea of a drummer can and SHOULD be able to do with his kit, and he was an amazing example of how chops are mere tools to express musicality and shouldn't be the forefront of anyone's playing.

If he reads these forums, I'd like to thank him for completely changing my idea of how to musical on the kit. ...OH, and I wish you would have had the chance to play MY set, I have a yamaha maple custom, which I've seen your perfom with. No offence to the Tama's. ;-)

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Ari_Hoenig.html

theduke86 09-04-2005 01:38 AM

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Ari Hoenig is an unbelievably good drummer. I saw him last year at our Jazz Festival- he was great. Definetly one of the young cats in NYC.

fly 09-04-2005 02:14 AM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
Yea dude Ari is the man. The thing about him is that theres not one wasted note, everthing he plays is so strong and down to the point,not to mention melodic, with him its like music first before drums. Its the guys like him that keep me motivated to play every day.

DogBreath 09-04-2005 07:19 AM

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Wow, great videos, bro. Thanks for posting.

finnhiggins 09-04-2005 08:44 AM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
What an amazing drummer! But my god, is his technique weird! He looks like he should have a hammer in his hand, not a stick... I've no idea how he gets such a great sound out considering how much of his playing seems to come from the shoulder, let alone the elbow...

Bernhard 09-04-2005 08:51 AM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
Yes Finn - weird.

Perhabs he studied a little too much Brian Blade???? Could be if I close my eyes and only listening....

I put him on DW some time ago, because he has a huge followship over there - and he's a very nice guy. Just see also a little Matt Wilson in it....

Bernhard

JohnMunsey 09-08-2005 06:14 AM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
Ari has good article in MD. would like to see him play some time.

Funky Ass 10-08-2005 01:05 PM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NouveauCliche
www.arihoenig.com (Check out ANY of the 4 video clips)


I first saw Ari with Kenny Warner about 2 years ago at our college. He came into the gig with just his cymbals and asked to see what kind of sets the college had for use, etc. He ended up playin on I belive a tama 16inch floor as a kick, a snare, two rides and hats. It was probably the most life changing drumming experience I'd has since I first saw Buddy Rich. Ari Hoenig isn't a chops god, though he has his share, it's his absolute MUSICALITY that drove me insane. I watch an entire orchestra/big band standing off to the sides of the stage in literal silent awe of what they were seeing him play. HIs phrasing and the sheer amount of different and most importantly, MUSICAL tones he was able to draw from that minimalist kit was amazing. I was in literal shock for a while after. He completely changed my idea of a drummer can and SHOULD be able to do with his kit, and he was an amazing example of how chops are mere tools to express musicality and shouldn't be the forefront of anyone's playing.

If he reads these forums, I'd like to thank him for completely changing my idea of how to musical on the kit. ...OH, and I wish you would have had the chance to play MY set, I have a yamaha maple custom, which I've seen your perfom with. No offence to the Tama's. ;-)

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Ari_Hoenig.html



I totally agree with you. I saw him in Malmoe in Sweden a year ago with Chris Potter - man you should've been there! Ari Hoenig realy has great taste. I love his drum sound and it is amazing what he can do with that small kit.
Bill Stewart is also good but Ari Hoenig is more gifted - he always surprises me.
By the way, I saw Bill Stewart two weeks ago in Kopenhagen and it was fun to see how much jazz licks that guy has.

ebiii 10-08-2005 05:51 PM

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I played with Ari quite a bit in High School back in philly. Back then he was in the shadows of another great young cat Little John Roberts. There was one group Ari and I played in and we recorded a demo for some competition and played Freddie Hubbard's Little Sunflower. Ari took a solo on that tune that was as developed and melodic as any of the other cats. Like it has been stated several times, his musicality is ridiculous. Having seen and heard his playing over the last 10+ years I thoroughly enjoy hearing Ari. And I know he must be doing something because he can count my dad as one of his fans which is not easy for any drummer to do.

sshu 11-03-2006 02:57 AM

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I like Ari's "The Painter" album. Phenomenal stuff. I recently got Gilad Hekselman's album, "Splitlife", and Ari plays drums there. http://www.amazon.com/Splitlife-Gila...039482-3811219

Splitlife is a terrific album. Gilad's playing is mesmerizing, and the album reminds me of a close quarters Scofield-like album, but Gilad's definitely got his own style. Ari has some really great brush work on the Splitlife album. I thought the album was a studio album, but it sounds like it is in a nightclub type setting. I like how some of the tunes move and have a good uptempo feel, but still retain a soft, delicate feel. Real precision and musical playing.

Steve

jazzin' 12-05-2006 04:53 PM

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Yeah sshu,
I agree whole heartedly. Any one into Ari who hasn't got his quartet album 'the painter' should seriously consider it. Taking melody playing to new heights. Some of the rythmic concepts are mind blowing too, without getting overly intellectual and killing the music. Must get his Kinetic dvd. Man he is some player!

I've wanted to start practicing the way he plays melodies. Not just referring to it throughout (in comping or solo), but actually figuring it out note for note and being able to play along with it. You could pull out some amazing straight up melodies or some killer unison ideas coming out of a section. It creates so many possibilities!

I might start a new thread in general on this.

sshu 12-06-2006 09:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jazzin' (Post 246830)
Yeah sshu,
I agree whole heartedly. Any one into Ari who hasn't got his quartet album 'the painter' should seriously consider it. Taking melody playing to new heights. Some of the rythmic concepts are mind blowing too, without getting overly intellectual and killing the music. Must get his Kinetic dvd. Man he is some player!

I've wanted to start practicing the way he plays melodies. Not just referring to it throughout (in comping or solo), but actually figuring it out note for note and being able to play along with it. You could pull out some amazing straight up melodies or some killer unison ideas coming out of a section. It creates so many possibilities!

I might start a new thread in general on this.

Oops. Just saw this post here after the thread you started in another area. Anyway, Ari looks like he has another album coming out next year ... pretty cool ...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...=11JKUW7PX4BJJ

Steve

jazzsnob 12-06-2006 09:22 PM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by finnhiggins (Post 19745)
What an amazing drummer! But my god, is his technique weird! He looks like he should have a hammer in his hand, not a stick... I've no idea how he gets such a great sound out considering how much of his playing seems to come from the shoulder, let alone the elbow...

The thing is, he went to North Texas State, so he's definitely learned some classic hand technique, and I'm sure that if you sat him down on a pad he could show you some incredibly finished technique from gladstone or some other school. The thing it, his technique looks weird but he definitely gets an audible effect when he uses his arms and his shoulders, but whenever he does some singles or technical stuff that requires some technique, he looses all his "habits" and has some very effective use of wrists and fingers. He's a perfect example of someone whose learned the rules and the breaks them.

jazzin' 04-07-2007 06:25 AM

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It should be a law that every drummer must buy and listen to Kenny Werner's live album's Form and Fantasy and Beat Degeneration. Ari's playing on both is 100% smokin'.

Overall though these are a couple of the best albums I've ever heard. The improvising is astonishing and everyones playing beautiful throughout. Kenny Werner is an amazing pianist. I can't understand why he isn't better known.

For the Ari fans who haven't checked these out. Go out and grab them immediately! You'll love them.

Latin Groover 04-07-2007 08:35 AM

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Very tasteful playing, i loved it! But yes his technique, (of what he shows in the video) is very arm orientated.
Also Bernhard all the links lead to the one video.
Jazzin' bit random but what are your fav jazz CD shops around here?

murphinelli 04-07-2007 12:23 PM

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Ari plays on Bill Carrothers' new album "Keep Your Sunny Side Up." Haven't heard it yet, but will be picking up a copy soon. Looks to be quite interesting from the review.

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=25167

TheSteve 04-07-2007 05:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jazzsnob (Post 247364)
The thing is, he went to North Texas State, so he's definitely learned some classic hand technique, and I'm sure that if you sat him down on a pad he could show you some incredibly finished technique from gladstone or some other school. The thing it, his technique looks weird but he definitely gets an audible effect when he uses his arms and his shoulders, but whenever he does some singles or technical stuff that requires some technique, he looses all his "habits" and has some very effective use of wrists and fingers. He's a perfect example of someone whose learned the rules and the breaks them.


So true about the audible effect that you mentioned, I couldn't agree more. Although his technique confuses me the sound he gets out of this drums is incredible! Ari sure does get a lot of work in NYC too, probably one of the hardest working drummers there.

Drum-Head 04-07-2007 07:22 PM

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He was here for the Drums Summit a few weeks ago. It sucks I could not make it to the show (I was backlining for another event.) Apparently he was so happy of how things went that he's already planned to come back. I hope I won't miss him next time.

SLEEPY BRiGHT EYEZ 04-08-2007 03:59 AM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
I like this guy a lot. I'm definitely in need of an album. I love how percussive and musical he is. What should be the first album I buy with him on it?

Jose_Ramirez 04-08-2007 04:21 AM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
Ari is coming to Denver on April 21,2007 at 1:00 at Lamont School of Music in Denver.

jazzin' 04-08-2007 08:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SLEEPY BRiGHT EYEZ (Post 297853)
I like this guy a lot. I'm definitely in need of an album. I love how percussive and musical he is. What should be the first album I buy with him on it?

Hey man, I would suggest any with Kenny Werner. They are amazing. Also he has some albums out as a leader and as a sideman with Jean Michel Pilc (great pianist who plays in his quartet). Any of these are a great place to start. You can get most of these from the internet easy enough.

Latin. I generally stick to JB. They have most of the stuff I'm after across the stores throughout the city. Otherwise I check out some of the little independent and secondhand ones or if it's hard to find which it often can be, I get it off the internet. Theres a groovy little jazz store in the city but for the life of me I can't remember what it's called. I'll find out and get back to you. JB though, is surprisingly well stocked usually (Elizabeth and Bourke st stores). Borders, of course, is good but way too expensive.

the gayge 04-11-2007 04:49 PM

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Man, Ari whigs me out. He's so far out of the sense of convention it almost seems intentional, but listening to him its obvious that its all legit. It's interesting to me that he usually favors pingier ride cymbals. It's different and not so much what I prefer, but it always seems to suit Pilc's playing. I have his "Live at the Fat Cat" dvd. There are clips of it on the site. The whole dvd is spectacular and you can get it pretty cheap on ebay.
My only complaint about his records as a leader is that there's something about his quartet that bothers the hell out of my and I can't figure out what it is.
Otherwise he's a great player.

byebyepanda 05-07-2007 07:22 AM

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He may not be the greatest jazz drummer, but he's my most favorite. He makes jazz drumming exciting to me, and to be honest (and not to offend anyone), I'm not a big jazz listener, nor do i hate it. He's awesome and I love his kit too!

antoinejazz 05-09-2007 08:44 PM

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I saw Ari three days ago at the Jazz @ Liège 2007!! Intersting!!!
I saw him after Gene Lake and E.S.T. trio!!! Waw, it's a seriously crazy drummer and his style is very interesting

jazzin' 05-16-2007 07:58 AM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by byebyepanda (Post 309183)
He may not be the greatest jazz drummer, but he's my most favorite. He makes jazz drumming exciting to me, and to be honest (and not to offend anyone), I'm not a big jazz listener, nor do i hate it. He's awesome and I love his kit too!

Hey man, he is certainly one of the best around today. He is doing some pretty amazing things so it's great you're listening to him and don't worry, I don't think anyone will be offended if you don't dig a style of music :)

mickeyman 07-22-2007 09:10 AM

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Just recently turned on to him and very glad about it. He's just amazing and despite his often minimalist, fantastic melodic style, the guy definitely has chops. I'd really like to hear his playing when he was with the 1 O'clock Band at UNT.

criz p. critter 10-29-2007 10:09 PM

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I just saw Ari Hoenig yesterday (10-29) at a clinic at Chad Sexton's Drum City here in LA (actually North Hollywood to be precise!) and was also very impressed with him. He used a small 4pc kit here, too, and was able to get a wide range of notes out of it by pressing on the heads with the sticks, mallets, his fingers, even his elbows. And talk about melodic, he even played a gospel song (title escapes me) on the two toms and snare.

Yeah, his style was unusual. I was trying to put my finger on exactly what it was. Then I read a few earlier comments here, and I see what it is. He does play more from the shoulder. Less using the elbows as hinges and more pushing forward with the forearms. Looks a litte stiff, actually, but his playing is anything but stiff. He can play real soft and delicate or real LOUD. On the brushes, he really has a different style. Holds his hands perpendicular to the drum, palms facing in, and then uses them like hinges, in and out to the sides. He's also got some real original ways of hitting the drums. Like with the brushes, he'll do like a rimshot with a brush, but keep it angled a little up, so the brush vibrates and does a series of diminishing hits on the drum.

I also saw Gregg Bissonette at Drum City a few months back, and although he seemed like a overall better teacher, imparting more nuts and bolts all around great info, Ari was definitely a lot more inspiring and entertaining imho.

Seems like a nice and friendly guy, too...

jazzin' 10-31-2007 10:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mickeyman (Post 338568)
Just recently turned on to him and very glad about it. He's just amazing and despite his often minimalist, fantastic melodic style, the guy definitely has chops. I'd really like to hear his playing when he was with the 1 O'clock Band at UNT.

Wow!? You would call his playing minimalist? I think he is quite the opposite. He is a very busy player. Apart from that you're right. He has an amazingly melodic approach to the drums and such a light fine touch.

Sounds like it would've been a lot of fun criz p. critter. Wish I got to see him in a clinic, it would be very inspiring and enlightening. With the brushes thing you were talking about, did you mean he hit the actual shaft of the brush against the rim so the wires flexed into the head a bunch of times? Like a multiple bounce brush stroke? It's a very common brush technique but I'm not sure if you mean that or something else.

criz p. critter 11-02-2007 07:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jazzin' (Post 374111)
With the brushes thing you were talking about, did you mean he hit the actual shaft of the brush against the rim so the wires flexed into the head a bunch of times? Like a multiple bounce brush stroke? It's a very common brush technique but I'm not sure if you mean that or something else.

Yeah, jazzin', that's exactly what it was. It was new to me as I'm pretty ignorant of brush technique. Pretty flippin' cool even if it is a common move.

jastjohn 12-27-2007 07:25 AM

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I met Ari in a club in NYC watching Chris Dave play with Robert Glasper. I was impressed on one hand because he was SO kind and modest when I talked to him. I was also impressed that he gets out to support other "young lions."

Oh yeah, which brings up another point: Ari Hoenig apparently knows that Chris Dave is one of the baddest drummers on the face of the earth right now. Why doesn't Drummerworld have a page yet? See the Chris Dave thread for details...

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ighlight=daddy

Latin Groover 12-27-2007 08:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jastjohn (Post 392156)
I was impressed on one hand because he was SO kind and modest when I talked to him.

Where you somehow disappointed on the other hand?

pasta 01-08-2008 01:56 AM

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Wow Criz P. I was in L.A. the week of Ari's clinic at Chad Sexton but had to drive back the day of the clinic. Wish I could have stayed. Chad's sure is a great place to hang.

Drummer Karl 05-05-2008 08:39 PM

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Great that there is an Ari Hoenig thread already.
He is an amazing musician! His way of playing, his swing and his musicality seriously makes myself feeling warm whenever I see/hear him.

Here`s another great video of him with the Kenny Werner trio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMB4Y...eature=related

I´ve never listened to Kenny before...always focused on Jean-Michel Pilc but that is really happening music, too. :-)

Karl

PercWorld 10-27-2008 01:04 AM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
North Texas State (one o'clock) Jazz Band came to my high school when I was 14, did a clinic, then a show that night. During the clinic, with Ari a feet away, I saw him do the coolest stuff a jazz drummer could do, absolutely flawless. What made the biggest impression on me was his innovation: he removed a metal bead chain from around his neck, tossed if on top of his ride cymbal, and made it sound like it was riveted! This was in 1994, years before Pro Mark came out with their Rattler device. He also had an Ayotte snare, way before that company became well known among drummers.
He was friendly and amicable, to myself and the other drummers in attendance.
After the show, Ari and a few other members of the band autographed my show poster. He filled me with inspiration that day, and it's really cool to see how his career has evolved since then.

jastjohn 01-10-2011 04:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Latin Groover (Post 392170)
Where you somehow disappointed on the other hand?

Haha, not at all. I probably used the wrong expression. Looky here, it's 3 years later, and I still love Ari's playing. Had the opportunity to study with him and he's also a fantastic teacher.

bobdadruma 01-10-2011 04:51 AM

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I watch Ari play every chance that I get.
He plays at Smalls in NYC sometimes and vid is live streamed from that club nightly.
He is amazing!

PrimitivePatterns 04-09-2011 10:22 PM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
A friend showed me Ari not long ago.

He showed me this video. The drums sound very clear. Great tune too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMB4YmHdD60


Didn't know if bumps were okay, figured I'd search before making a thread for him!

Thaard 01-28-2012 09:18 PM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
Just discovered Ari through my constant quest for new good drummers.

I especially like this tune, with Punkbop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1910...ure=plpp_video

All his albums are on Spotify, so I'm listening to those now. He's easily one of the top tier jazzdrummers today.

jodgey4 11-05-2012 05:08 AM

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I got to go to a clinic of his today, great player, really nice guy! It's awesome to see how much fun he has while playing. He has a great approach, that I think I can learn a lot from. If you get the chance to see him, take it!

dmacc 11-05-2012 11:42 AM

Re: Ari Hoenig
 
I'll put in a Kudos for his Book: "Systems: Book 1"

Much like using Stick Control, New Breed and other similar concept books but this one includes written "systems" for the taking that perhaps you many have missed before while going through those.


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