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aahznightsky 08-24-2005 08:12 PM

BREAKING STICKS
 
EDIT: I don't break sticks very often anymore.

Dill X 08-24-2005 08:20 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
I use Thomas Lang Signature sticks and I break about one stick every one or two practices. My record so far is three sticks in less than 10 minutes.

In response to your problem though it may be because of the way your cymabls are posistioned or if your using too much rim when you hit the drums.

Breaking sticks is normal. But expensive...

Thinshells 08-24-2005 10:20 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
You might actually want to try 5b carbo sticks or ahead. They might last you a lot longer.

Superlow 08-24-2005 11:44 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinshells
You might actually want to try 5b carbo sticks or ahead. They might last you a lot longer.


Trust me you dont want to try either of those. They don't feel like wood, they don't play like wood, because they are not wood. I have your problem with breaking lots of sticks. I suck it up because I play hard and I enjoy playing hard. I like the Vater sticks, they do seem a bit more dense sometimes that some of the VF's. If you like 5B I highly recommend the Vater Chad Smith Funk Blasters.

jangus 08-25-2005 12:56 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
I really dont understand how people break so many sticks. I've had the pair I'm using for at least 4 months.

Spliff Burton 08-25-2005 03:00 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Vater's are great, I think they do last longer than many sticks. They feel more solid to me, and I've tried most of the other brands. I use the 5B Wood, 5B Nylon, and 5B Xtreme models.

I've heard about Silver Fox sticks being very durable, too. Haven't tried those out just yet.

Jaymasta 08-25-2005 03:07 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Ok I said this Before has anyone Tried Vater COLOR WRAP DRUMSTICKS has anyone tried them yet they look pretty cool if you have tell me about them..




http://www.vater.com/

Thinshells 08-25-2005 02:43 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Superlow
Trust me you dont want to try either of those. They don't feel like wood, they don't play like wood, because they are not wood. I have your problem with breaking lots of sticks. I suck it up because I play hard and I enjoy playing hard. I like the Vater sticks, they do seem a bit more dense sometimes that some of the VF's. If you like 5B I highly recommend the Vater Chad Smith Funk Blasters.


Fair enough, the balance and response is different than wood. But for someone that really hits hard, it might be an alternative.

FWIW: I have both to try (carbostick 5b and ahead 2b) and they just don't balance or feel right.

My favorite is either 5b or 747 at this point.

Bonzo 08-25-2005 08:29 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Sounds to me like less of a stick problem and more of a technique problem. You're obviously hitting the rims alot and WAY too hard to be breaking sticks with that frequency.

Jaymasta 08-25-2005 09:47 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
I'll show you my broken stick collection although there's two pares missing I'll post up a pic later.

Juste 08-26-2005 02:30 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
I would not consider myself a pro, but I can tell you this.
I've been playing drums for about three and a half years and tried a lot of different sticks. Ones would last 1 week while others would last 4 months (Vic Firth Rock 7A, which are WAY too big in my opinion). Of course, when I was more of a beginner, I did not notice the differences in sticks sizes. Now I have found the ones for me. It happens to be : - Zildjian 5B wood sticks
- Pro Mark Millenium II 5A
(Both are made from american hickory)

They last approximately 1 and a half month to 2 months each for me on a religious 2 hrs pratice session per day. I am not a hard hardcore metal hitter, but I still hit quite hard. They are solid enough, because I never broke these in two, it's just the tip that looses chips after 4-5 weeks of use.

I mostly practice on Rush, Dream Theater and System of a Down, so it can give you an idea of my hit style and strengh. I use both traditional and match grip.
Sorry for the long post, I am one of those who love to speak and elaborate. Hope it could help!

Drum4fun 09-05-2005 06:57 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
hi everyone,

well i bought a pair of $10 no name, scrappy, crappy sticks and they are the bomb!

I kid you not!

I am no noob in regard to sticks either, I normally use vic first 5a's for a bit of warm up, then switch around with brushes, hot rods and then onto the vader 3a jazz sticks.

at any rate, I picked up these old dodgy sticks out of a bin marked "$10 a set, must go" and started playing with them...........a delight. and they have lasted me 3 months.

I think its just a matter of trying anything regardless of name to find........"the perfect pair".........*waits for Vic Firth summons to court for copyright breach*

anyway, have a good one guys.

DottedQuarters 09-05-2005 07:11 AM

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I'm all for the crappy bargain sticks too...I've tried the carbos, they lasted maybe another month, not worth the extra $15. Most of those bargain bins are made by the big companies anyway, and I find they last just as long at three bucks a pair. That's where it's at for me anyway...

Superlow 09-06-2005 11:28 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Your solution if you like VF 5B and find the Vater 5B's too heavy. Vater Chad smith Funk Blasters. I Bought a batch of the Vater 5B's recently. They have been lasting much longer that the VF 5B, admittedly they are a bit heavier but they feel nice, I go through a pair every 3-4 sittings.

mlehnertz 09-07-2005 05:59 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
You're breaking 5Bs? Holy crap. Then again, if you're playing a 4 hour gig, daily, you're going to break sticks far more often than 1 pair per month. When I was gigging regularly, I'd break them once a week - or at least chew threw a single stick on my hi-hat or shatter a shank from heavy rimshots.

I do hear the Vic Firth quality thing. I switched to Vaters because of low quality in the VF sticks I was purchasing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aahznightsky
I've totaled three pairs of sticks so far on my new drumset since I got it, probably around two months back. Is that too often? I use vic firth 5B's, and I'm thinking I've trying Vater to see if they're more durable ... either their 5B or the Josh Freese signature

what do you think? Am I breaking these things too often and I should try tougher sticks? I know there was a thread a while back about vic firth losing quality and stuff ....

My sticks


sloppyjoe 09-07-2005 11:22 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
taping them with "stick tape" works really well. I taped a cracked stick and it last for a awhile. so try that. Or use thie white electrical tape, (which is what I use)

Jaymasta 09-07-2005 11:24 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aahznightsky
these arent four hour gigs haha. these are 10 hour practice sessions .... probably around half spent on the drums and half on a pad

10 Hours dude! WOW how do you find the hours in a day for that?

mlehnertz 09-08-2005 12:22 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Then I'd consider 3 pairs every 2 months pretty good!

Quote:

Originally Posted by aahznightsky
these arent four hour gigs haha. these are 10 hour practice sessions .... probably around half spent on the drums and half on a pad


GarrettEvans 09-08-2005 11:31 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Sounds like you've got some good advice here, let's review...

1. you play A LOT for long periods of time...breakage increases
2. you play fairly hard, with lots of rim shots
3. you're using a large stick...

When I was younger, I broke a lot of sticks, so I'd bought those "bucket" sticks for dirt cheap my shop had on sale, usually no-namers.

However, once my playing got better, and I began to mature as a musician, I found I stopped hitting so hard, and started pulling the sound out of the drum, which sounded better, fit in better with the band, and saved on sticks.

I also noticed I broke most of my stick because I was hitting the shoulder hard on the bell of my ride, trying to cut through the wall of sound my guitarist was putting up. One well placed hit was all it took to snap the shaft. Watch out for that...

The other thing you might try, is using little or no muffle on your drums. This will make them much louder, but also increase the ringing, which may cause you not to hit the rim so hard, if a tap gets your sound...

Good luck

drumzalicious 09-09-2005 01:49 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aahznightsky
I've totaled three pairs of sticks so far on my new drumset since I got it, probably around two months back. Is that too often? I use vic firth 5B's, and I'm thinking I've trying Vater to see if they're more durable ... either their 5B or the Josh Freese signature

what do you think? Am I breaking these things too often and I should try tougher sticks? I know there was a thread a while back about vic firth losing quality and stuff ....

My sticks

3 pairs in two months??

man i have gone through about 6 in the last two months

2 pairs of VF 3a and 4 pair of VF F1

i also practice at least an hour a day. not to mention church rehearsals and playing about 6 times a month at church.

RudimentalDrummer 09-10-2005 06:51 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aahznightsky
I've totaled three pairs of sticks so far on my new drumset since I got it, probably around two months back. Is that too often? I use vic firth 5B's, and I'm thinking I've trying Vater to see if they're more durable ... either their 5B or the Josh Freese signature

what do you think? Am I breaking these things too often and I should try tougher sticks? I know there was a thread a while back about vic firth losing quality and stuff ....

My sticks

I think it will still break no matter what kind of sticks you used. .... It's ok to break sticks at least better than breaking the drum. I had never broke a stick before, but very soon I guess. I am having a lot of stroke practice on Rim-Shots nowadays from my Instructor...

I am only happily waiting to say " HEY Man ... finally ... I am able to break my drumsticks"...


There's nothing wrong with it - you're just too hardworking - and that's good my bro ... cheers ! ... kekeke ... BREAK MORE ...Whahahahaha !

jangus 09-10-2005 07:33 PM

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Ha. Reminds me of a kid I know who thinks hes awesome because he breaks his sticks and cymbals and heads like crazy, when I know for a fact he sucks the anus on the kit. He bought like 12 pairs of no-name sticks and went through them all in less than 2 months. He always tells me how he broke his cymbal or head like its something to brag about. I dont say anything to him because hes a LOT bigger than me.

On topic: electrical tape would most definitely help.

low-tech 09-11-2005 03:03 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
i dont know, i use ziljian absolute rock or "the hammer" whatever sticks, i forget the brandname.......they got no tip, look the same on both ends. dont break those at all, they just whittle away then start having splits. thing is its hard to play soft with those things, i guess its sortof an ergonomics type of thing with the larger striking tip

Smoky_McPot 09-11-2005 03:51 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sloppyjoe
taping them with "stick tape" works really well. I taped a cracked stick and it last for a awhile. so try that. Or use thie white electrical tape, (which is what I use)

Ah man thats a quick fix - i would use it to get thru a gig and thats about it. Even if its taped its not gonna respond properly so you cant really practice technique. Also those no name brands, I have never had any luck with them - I once bought 2 pairs, and snapped them both within 2 days. I use ProMark 5A's normally and they start to frey around the rim but these no names just split almost straight away. But you could get lucky I guess........ Haha. Bye

low-tech 09-11-2005 05:31 AM

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i swear some companies make sticks out of match wood

Basher 09-30-2005 10:10 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
I got 12 pairs of Vic Firth Players Series (yeah, so I could put my name on 'em), and I'm still on my first pair- and I bought these a year ago! I've always thought Firth had the best durability.
Seems to me the biggest culprit when I used to break a lot of sticks was my hi-hat technique- riding the edge of the hats with the side of my stick. I've changed my technique and hardly break any now.

largo61 10-01-2005 12:44 PM

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I use a cheap barain basement drum stick and the same pair have lasted over three and a half years. I know I need a better pair of sticks. And yet these sticks just keep on truckin. And they are extremely light for 2B. Not great balance though. It is all in the technique. Playing hard would cause a lot of sticks to break. I don't play hard but I don't play soft either. Somewhere inbetween.

NaturalRaz 10-01-2005 02:52 PM

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I shred sticks constatly too. I have tried so many kind of sticks. I hate sticks like Ahead.....whatta joke those are. I don't think that there is anything you can do. I hit-hard and love to hear that deafening ear-rining sound from a good rim hit on the snare. Your style will determine the amount of sticks you go through. Hard hitters need a larger wallet than non-hard hitters....thats that.

nemo 10-01-2005 06:38 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aahznightsky
I've totaled three pairs of sticks so far on my new drumset since I got it, probably around two months back. Is that too often? I use vic firth 5B's, and I'm thinking I've trying Vater to see if they're more durable ... either their 5B or the Josh Freese signature

what do you think? Am I breaking (they don't actually break, they just fray and split to impossible-to-play degrees) these things too often and I should try tougher sticks? I know there was a thread a while back about vic firth losing quality and stuff ....

My sticks

it is not too ofthen some pupil break ther sticks in a week.
but where your sticks break is not normal.
if i was u il shal tri other stick models
some qestions:-
*from what wood are your sticks made of?
*how do u hit your drums nad cymbals?

alienworkshop227 10-03-2005 11:02 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
i have broken like 6 pairs of sticks since christmas, but i dont think thats bad considering they were 10 dollars for 10 pairs from musiciansfriend.com

Jaymasta 10-03-2005 11:36 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
Pro-mark is what I'm going for next but I have to say Vater is what I'm happy with right now :)

Jookbox 10-18-2005 02:52 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
i've had some disturbing results from vic firth when it comes to consistency. when i buy sticks at my local sam ash (5b hickory wood tip) they last about two days max. the tips starts chipping within hours. one stick split lengthwise within about 30 minutes. when i order them from musiciansfriend, they last weeks, and the tips are more durable.

i'm going to experiment with both for a while longer and if the results continue, i might have to change brands. there's something sketchy about that.

Drad-dog 10-18-2005 05:34 PM

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I've had the same two pairs of Vic Firth SD4s for almost three years. One for performance, one for practice. The tips are starting to wear down a little but they're still going strong. It has nothing to do with the sticks though. It has everything to do with finesse, baby!

drumbig 10-18-2005 06:01 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
I buy a six pack of Vader 5b's about every two weeks. I don't break all of them though, I put them aside once there looking like they might break soon,I just like the way new sticks feel 'like new socks'.

Slayer_metal_head 10-19-2005 12:36 AM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
I use 3a vater 3a fatbacks with vater grip tape and these sticks are the most durable things ever i made an eight inch crack in my crash before i evan made this thing splinter i haev to worry about breaking my cymbals before these sticks i have two pairs becasue they are splintering and one the tip is wearing a bit use ticker sticks if you are breaking if not then switch to a diffrent wood but 3a fatbacks by vader are nice try em out

Kevinm 10-20-2005 06:45 PM

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As far as pitch matching, personaly I think this has very little to do with the end result, especially if you are a hard hitter, high volume player. The material and weight used plays a more vltal role to rim shot sounds then a matched pitched stick! The appraoch on take to the drum will overwhelm any sound that may be influenced by a matched pitched pair of sticks! Of course I am speaking to drumset only!
BTW according to Vic Firth they also tone pair every stick.

Kevinm 10-22-2005 03:18 PM

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If you are making your statement based on your ear, fyou got an ear better than a dog!
Do you have the pitch listening device that compares feedback waves? Bet you don't!
Next you say you play all dynamics, that's great, but in reality you will never hit at the same angle or same intensitiy as previous strokes, to many variables, you are not hearing pitch differences in your sticks, but in the way you aprroach.
Based on the number of sticks you break, it's you not the sticks. Sure we all break some, but based on what you have eluded to, you are probably using a lot of arm and mass behind each hit, and based on your age, it's my assumption you are probably into trash, metal and hard rock! Try studying the physics of each stroke so the way you appraoch delivers exactly what you want without using so much energy. So lighten up a bit! You don't have to hit the kit as though your life depended on it!
You can say what you want about VF, but you don't have the equipment to back the statement that they don't pitch match.

Bernhard 10-22-2005 03:32 PM

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Another tip:

If you practice more than two hours, it's a good idea to change every 30 minutes the sticks - in size and weight. So you avoid hurting your wrists, because the load distributes on different places.

Bernhard

Kevinm 11-02-2005 10:22 PM

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Fifteen of the 16 years okay! Sounds like we have an ego problem! Hmm you seem to think your technique is tops yet you break sticks left and right. I'm not going to get sucked into my technique is as good as yours imature conversation! Even if you have fifteen years behind the skins, doubt the experience level is there! So my advice to you is get over your ego, and listen to what others with many more years of expierence (40+) are telling you. My next comment, playing at 1 years old. heck you probably were just about walking non the less didn't have the motor skills to blow your nose!
So lets just drop anymore on this subject!

Kevinm 11-03-2005 03:38 PM

Re: Breaking sticks left and right...
 
You seem to not to accept someone telling you it's your technique! I don't know how many times drrummers keep breaking cymblas and gear until they fianlly realize a small change in their technique and how they apprach has preserved the life of their equipment.
I don't need a video for any proof of your 1 year old capability, I already heard some of your latest tracks! So lets just keep it there!

Keep breaking those sticks, maybe someday you will understand the full physics approach to a drumset! Then we can talk. As long as you keep fooling yourself, I am finished with trying to help in any manner!

I am done with this thread!

Happy Drumming!


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