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Powerpito 04-03-2014 11:45 AM

Head selection help?
 
Hey, guys! I'm new here so I'm still figuring out how this site works, but I have a few questions. First off, do you guys have any tips on drumheads that sound great for live unmiced venues? For my toms, I'm looking for a Chris Coleman sound. I love the clarity and tone that comes from his drums; Now, I'm not completely sure how much his drums are EQ'd for his youtube videos, so I'm not sure if it's possible to achieve without EQ. The kit I have right now is a OCDP Venice, which I'm not too fond off so I'm thinking about trading it in and buying a Mapex Meridian Maple. Any ways, hope this post isn't too long, and I hope you guys can help me out! Thanks.

Dre25 04-03-2014 02:48 PM

Re: Head selection help?
 
2 ply clear heads will be good. If you want more of a note from your drums, sometimes a head with a control ring is better (ec2 or pinstripe).

Chris is very powerful and gets alot of attack because of his technique, it's not all about the drums and drum heads.

AudioWonderland 04-03-2014 03:10 PM

Re: Head selection help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Powerpito (Post 1247191)
Hey, guys! I'm new here so I'm still figuring out how this site works, but I have a few questions. First off, do you guys have any tips on drumheads that sound great for live unmiced venues? For my toms, I'm looking for a Chris Coleman sound. I love the clarity and tone that comes from his drums; Now, I'm not completely sure how much his drums are EQ'd for his youtube videos, so I'm not sure if it's possible to achieve without EQ. The kit I have right now is a OCDP Venice, which I'm not too fond off so I'm thinking about trading it in and buying a Mapex Meridian Maple. Any ways, hope this post isn't too long, and I hope you guys can help me out! Thanks.

For live unmiced gigs, single ply heads project into the room and sustain better.

2 play heads are a better choice if you are a big hitter. The durability they offer over 1 ply is significant in that case. 2 ply heads generally have a higher ratio of stick attack to sustain than 1 ply.

Coated heads are generally warmer sounding than their clear counterparts

porter 04-03-2014 04:34 PM

Re: Head selection help?
 
If you want the power of 2-ply with the sustain of single-ply, look at some G12s or Ambassador Xs. You could also go for G14s on the floor toms (maybe a little too heavy for the rack toms).

Powerpito 04-03-2014 06:01 PM

Re: Head selection help?
 
I have EC2's on my Venice. It could be that I'm not an expert at tuning, but I hate the sound they give. I just feel like they sound bad. Any suggestions for anything that is versatile? Because I'm going to be playing many different genres. Country, Rock, Latin, Funk, AND Pop. I know that tuning plays a big part, but still would like some suggestions.

ncc 04-03-2014 06:24 PM

Re: Head selection help?
 
here is another reference point. It is pretty accurate.

http://www.aquariandrumheads.com/pro...ide-comparison

Dre25 04-04-2014 06:40 AM

Re: Head selection help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Powerpito (Post 1247290)
I have EC2's on my Venice. It could be that I'm not an expert at tuning, but I hate the sound they give. I just feel like they sound bad. Any suggestions for anything that is versatile? Because I'm going to be playing many different genres. Country, Rock, Latin, Funk, AND Pop. I know that tuning plays a big part, but still would like some suggestions.

A jazz drummer might use single ply coated heads and tweak them up high but generally I don't think there's any difference between the heads used by a latin, rock, country or funk drummer, it's more about the tuning and recording techniques.

I don't love ec2's either. I tried the g12's recently and I couldn't wait to replace them.

Just try some g2's or emperors, they will get that slappy attack sound you are prob hearing from Chris Coleman. Would help if you posted the video you had in mind.

Bo Eder 04-04-2014 07:04 AM

Re: Head selection help?
 
Use Remo black dots as your batters, and get rid of the bottom heads altogether. This is the sound you've been searching for.

;)

porter 04-04-2014 08:27 AM

Re: Head selection help?
 
Oh, actually, for a super punchy kind of tom game, I would go for some White Suede Emperors. Bought a set when I had my Superstars and they are definitely dry, nice attack, and look great too.

Powerpito 04-04-2014 04:12 PM

Re: Head selection help?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dre25 (Post 1247533)
A jazz drummer might use single ply coated heads and tweak them up high but generally I don't think there's any difference between the heads used by a latin, rock, country or funk drummer, it's more about the tuning and recording techniques.

I don't love ec2's either. I tried the g12's recently and I couldn't wait to replace them.

Just try some g2's or emperors, they will get that slappy attack sound you are prob hearing from Chris Coleman. Would help if you posted the video you had in mind.

Here are two vids of the sound I love. The first is more of an open sound from what I'm hearing, so most likely what will be achieved for live unmiced gigs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeNHUGrGxs8
And this 2nd one just really captures the tonality of the drums, in my perspective at least. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t-4vJ26reU
Hope that helps you guys out?

dat yeti 05-22-2014 05:12 AM

Re: Head selection help?
 
The second video you posted, the one in germany, it seems like he's using clear 2 plys over clear single plys judging by how tight they look and how deep they sounded.

I think he's using evans on toms as well, so probably clear g2's over clear g1's.


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