DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM

DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/index.php)
-   Off Topic Lounge (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25)
-   -   Drumset or Drumkit? (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112581)

CCdrummer 12-14-2013 08:15 PM

Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Which do you use when referring to your drums? I always say "drumset". I always thought if you said "drumkit" or "the kit" you are just trying to sound cool.

Please chime in on this very important issue. ; )

eclipseownzu 12-14-2013 08:59 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
People are very picky about drum semantics.

When I feel the need to put the word "drum" in the title I refer to it as a drum set. When I am talking to other drummers or guys in my band I will shorten it to "kit." But I would never call it a drum kit, makes it sound like a toy or something.

Arky 12-14-2013 09:12 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I think it's the very same thing with zero difference. I guess it's pure preference.
Being aware of both terms I would mix them up purely coincidentally.

v.zarate 12-14-2013 09:15 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
i started off with drumset when i began playing 10 years ago and ended up with drum kit a few years back. but now i just call them "the kit"

tamadrm 12-14-2013 10:04 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I sometimes find myself saying or typing kit,but to me,it's a drum set,bass drum,snare,mounted tom,floor tom,and cymbals.

The bass drum was never "kicked" like some think it was.It was always played with a beater,and the snare drum was played with sticks,which is why there were usually 2-3 drummers in an orchestra pit...till the bass drum pedal came along.

So the term " kick" drum,was used erroniously by recording engineers,to differenciate the bass drum mic,(labeled kick)from the bass guitar mic,labeled "bass".

Sorry for the off topic,but it's kind of OT.

Steve B

MrPockets 12-14-2013 11:07 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I call it a trap set if there are a lot of percussive elements

I call it a drum set if the shells are the same and a drum set if it is a mix of different brands

I call E-drums pads

Jeremy Bender 12-14-2013 11:14 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I prefer schlagzeug.

Zickos 12-14-2013 11:24 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Is it a drum set or a drum kit? Why, actually, yes it is.

CCdrummer 12-14-2013 11:33 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
lol, great replies. I completey forgot about "trap"

MrInsanePolack 12-14-2013 11:34 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
If I am talking, I just say drums. Adding set or kit to the verbal just seems a bit odd to me. "Hey, nice drums!" or "My drums are Pearl Wood-Fiberglass".

Typing, on the other hand, adding kit or set seems rather natural. "That kit in the picture is pretty" or "What drumset is the BEST for disco"?

I never use trap. To me a trap is something set to entangle someone or something.

GRUNTERSDAD 12-14-2013 11:43 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I say "my drums" or "those drums"

Bo Eder 12-15-2013 12:17 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I never get into those conversations to begin with ;)

The Old Hyde 12-15-2013 12:23 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
for years it was my drum set. one guitar player used to say to me " your kit" and it always bugged me. now it seem like i only say kit. its the same thing, i think its British though to say kit. I saw a documentary on the royal horse guard and they talked about cleaning their kit. It was their gear really, helmets, breast plates, boots etc. but they said kit. so drum gear would be a kit i guess? Andy lives near england somewhere under a bridge in the wind chime district, maybe he knows!

Dodeska 12-15-2013 01:13 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I call it a "kit" if I'm talking to a musician, or "drums" if I'm talking to anyone else.

CCdrummer 12-15-2013 01:14 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1207654)
I never get into those conversations to begin with ;)

You just did! ; )

Actually, now that I think of it, I refer to mine as "my drums"

Magenta 12-15-2013 01:30 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Old Hyde (Post 1207657)
i think its British though to say kit.

Yes, I think it is. I don't think I'd even heard the term "drum set" until I came on here. And I'd certainly never heard "trap" until just now.

toddmc 12-15-2013 01:37 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Like most people here, I would just say "the kit" as well.
Is it just me or does drum set just sound too formal?

Vegas Island 12-15-2013 01:48 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
It's always been "drums" or "drumkit" for me.

Mad About Drums 12-15-2013 02:43 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I just call it "la batterie" :)








Hey Grunt, isn't that thread a bit of a trivial matter?

robthetimekeeper 12-15-2013 07:06 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
"Trap set" is old school.
I just call it a kit. As in, "nice kit".
More people will know what you mean if you say "drumset" although proper spelling is "drum set" (two words).
If listing for sale on craigslist, just say "drums".

Magenta 12-15-2013 10:38 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad About Drums (Post 1207699)
Hey Grunt, isn't that thread a bit of a trivial matter?

Don't go there. He cheated on the other thread: he changed LOADS of letters!

keep it simple 12-15-2013 12:10 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Old Hyde (Post 1207657)
for years it was my drum set. one guitar player used to say to me " your kit" and it always bugged me. now it seem like i only say kit. its the same thing, i think its British though to say kit. I saw a documentary on the royal horse guard and they talked about cleaning their kit. It was their gear really, helmets, breast plates, boots etc. but they said kit. so drum gear would be a kit i guess? Andy lives near england somewhere under a bridge in the wind chime district, maybe he knows!

Yes, somewhere near Englandshire (for you Americans, that's about 200 miles east of Iranistan - Europe ;)

Someone's kit is a commonly used military term to describe the totality of their personal "gear" necessary for them to perform their duties. I'm guessing that migrated at some stage to encompass drums, or any assembly of items necessary for the task at hand.

"Set" is not a term that would be used generally within drumming circles, except maybe those in the game pre 1960's.

wildbill 12-15-2013 05:19 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I always thought:

USA - drum set

Everyplace else - drum kit

For me, in conversation, they're 'my drums'.

Zickos 12-15-2013 07:13 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CCdrummer (Post 1207636)
lol, great replies. I completey forgot about "trap"

It's only called a "trap" set when you set up in a corner and you can't get out till the rest of the band moves.

picodon 12-15-2013 08:25 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad About Drums (Post 1207699)
I just call it "la batterie" :)

That's what I was about to say, batterie from the verb battre = to hit, like baseball bat.

French drumming vocabulary is not very extended though.
Charley or charleston = hi hat, but the other cymbals are simply ride, crash, splash.
Tom = tom.
Kick drum = grosse caisse, as in "big case".
Snare drum = caisse claire, as in "clear case".
Head = peau, "skin".
Hardware = simply called hardware, I can't imagine noone bothered to translate that, a French mouth can hardly pronounce that :)

OK I have bored you all enough now :)

cervision 12-15-2013 08:26 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I more commonly hear them referred to as "drum sets", but I call them kits. I don't know why but to me it just rolls off the tongue better.

Magenta 12-15-2013 09:06 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
This http://www.amazon.fr/Batterie-int%C3.../dp/B000ZGDURE is absolutely THE best all-round book I have yet come across.
Quote:

Originally Posted by picodon (Post 1207886)
That's what I was about to say, batterie from the verb battre = to hit, like baseball bat.

French drumming vocabulary is not very extended though.
Charley or charleston = hi hat, but the other cymbals are simply ride, crash, splash.
Tom = tom.
Kick drum = grosse caisse, as in "big case".
Snare drum = caisse claire, as in "clear case".
Head = peau, "skin".
Hardware = simply called hardware, I can't imagine noone bothered to translate that, a French mouth can hardly pronounce that :)

OK I have bored you all enough now :)


BacteriumFendYoke 12-15-2013 09:08 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I just call them my 'no, you can't have a go'.

Straightens things out easily.

caddywumpus 12-15-2013 09:33 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
If you have a chair set or a chair kit, what is the difference? A chair set is a collection of chairs that belong together for one reason or another. A chair kit is something you buy at a store in a box, which contains the parts needed to put together one chair.

I think of drums in the same way. Either you see it as a collection of instruments all played together, like a classical multi-percussionist might view it, or you see it collectively as one instrument (albeit with many "parts" which come together to form the "whole").

Or, more realistically, you call it what you've heard it being called, and what has stuck, kinda like some people say "soda" while other people say "pop."

SgtThump 12-15-2013 09:54 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I say drum set, but I really like those old ads that refer to them as "outfits." I'd like to start using that going forward.

Chris

PQleyR 12-15-2013 10:50 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
+1 on drum kit being British English vs the US English drum set. I've always called it a drum kit.

picodon 12-15-2013 10:54 PM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
@Magenta
Thanks! I thought the best books came necessarily from abroad :)
So can you read all that?

Mad About Drums 12-16-2013 12:01 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by picodon (Post 1207928)
@Magenta
Thanks! I thought the best books came necessarily from abroad :)
So can you read all that?

Pas de problemes, Madge peut lire, ecrire et parler en Francais :)




(Sorry, my keyboard doesn't have the accents)

Pocket-full-of-gold 12-16-2013 12:20 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CCdrummer (Post 1207584)
I always say "drumset". I always thought if you said "drumkit" or "the kit" you are just trying to sound cool.


You say tom-ay-to and I say tom-ar-to...........and drum kit.

I've never much cared what anyone else calls the thing though. I know what they mean.

larryace 12-16-2013 01:49 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
I use the term "drum array". As in, "Suh-weet drum array there girlfriend!"

Also, I'm not a drummer, I prefer the term rhythmic engineer.

:P

Mad About Drums 12-16-2013 02:47 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1207978)
I'm not a drummer, I prefer the term rhythmic engineer...

So... you're in the traffic control business then...:)

http://rhythmtraffic.com/

PQleyR 12-16-2013 03:04 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1207978)
I use the term "drum array". As in, "Suh-weet drum array there girlfriend!"

I'm so using that. Maybe I will start calling myself a 'sentient rhythm matrix'.

CCdrummer 12-16-2013 03:05 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1207978)
I use the term "drum array". As in, "Suh-weet drum array there girlfriend!"

Also, I'm not a drummer, I prefer the term rhythmic engineer.

:P

How about "beat alchemist"? ; )

Magenta 12-16-2013 03:10 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad About Drums (Post 1207949)
Pas de problemes, Madge peut lire, ecrire et parler en Francais :)

(Sorry, my keyboard doesn't have the accents)

Le mien non plus, mais il sait ne pas ecrire "francais" avec majuscule ;)

@picodon: yes, but it isn't an easy read! I bought it just to learn drum terminology in French, but it turned out to be a fantastic book in its own right. It's a book for the beginner who takes their drumming VERY seriously, or for any drummer who has gaps in their musical knowledge. My teacher calls it "French porn" - to go with "hand porn" (Stick Control) and "foot porn" (4-Way Co-Ordination).

drstrangefunk 12-16-2013 03:39 AM

Re: Drumset or Drumkit?
 
in the 70's the Brits i'd read about (Bonzo et al) referred to it as a kit....in America...where i'm is...it was referred to as a set.

as time has gone by, more Americans use the term kit.


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:28 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Bernhard Castiglioni's DRUMMERWORLD.com