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stellar92010 12-05-2013 10:32 AM

Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I started at Promark 808s, went to 2B's, now at 2S's. 17" long and .695 diameter without much taper and big heads. Each time I went up in size, they felt uncomfortable for about a day, then I got used to them, and don't like the feel of the smaller sticks anymore.....so...

I just ordered some Promark 3S marching sticks--17" long and .728 diameter. I'm not sure why but I just really like the hefty feel of weight, and the particular balance those large sticks have. Anyone else feel that way?

Km6543 12-05-2013 11:02 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I'm not a very big guy and I sometimes use the Thomas Lang signature sticks. Sometimes a bigger stick can give you more control and feel more comfortable. Someone used the analogy once of writing with a thick pen versus a thin pen.

Dre25 12-05-2013 11:53 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I played with big sticks for a long time.. Then I accidentally ran out, and all I had sitting around were vater recording. I found I could do more with them, but using big sticks for a while was probably good for my development.

One cool thing is that your hand is slightly more open.

drum4fun27302 12-06-2013 01:40 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I love big sticks but they are just too loud for my band mates . I just use them at home.

shemp 12-06-2013 02:30 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I have 2S and I switch between them and 5B as well as 5A. If my hands are getting tired, I will downsize....I love the feel of a 2S and I feel it strengthens my wrists/hands for when I want to use 5B or 5A.

For me there are situations where the 2S will encourage me to behave badly...and play too loud so there are times where a gig location informs my decision on what to use. I recently had an outdoor occasion at a large park on a large concrete stage....huge stage...where the band members were spread quite far apart...2S all the way and boy was that fun!

porter 12-06-2013 02:50 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I've been playing with a pair of IP-1s for a while (I believe they are .650 but I'm not sure). Very fun and I think I even get better control with a larger stick. The only problem is that the tip shape doesn't work very well on drumset- I'm still trying to find a comparable stick that has an acorn tip. My next one (after I tried Chad Smiths, Danny Careys, etc) to try will be the Thomas Lang signature model.

zarrdoss 12-06-2013 02:59 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I play sometimes with Danny Carey signature sticks, they're pretty huge, but so is he.

Beam Me Up Scotty 12-06-2013 11:07 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stellar92010 (Post 1204015)
I just ordered some Promark 3S marching sticks--17" long and .728 diameter.

Your poor cymbals and drumheads :(

All kidding aside, seriously, those might actually damage your cymbals if you're not careful.
I tend to like heavier sticks, like those made of oak, but recently I've been enjoying my Ahead 5As; they've got the heft, without having the width of a baseball bat.

TTNW 12-06-2013 01:42 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zarrdoss (Post 1204414)
I play sometimes with Danny Carey signature sticks, they're pretty huge, but so is he.

Excellent stick. I bought 4 pairs a few months ago and they hold up great. They play like a heavier 2B but feel a little more like a 5B because of the taper.

One of the best sticks out there IMO.

brady 12-06-2013 02:05 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
The biggest stick I have used is the Peter Erskine Big Band Stick. It has a pretty beefy butt end with a long taper.

At first, I found I could play a lot easier with the larger stick. But eventually I noticed I couldn't get around the kit quite as quickly as with a smaller stick.

I recently discoverd the Vic Firth SD Combo maple stick. WOW!!! It's actually about the size of my 7As but it's so light since it's maple. Amazing stick. I could execute pattens even faster than with the Big Band stick and get around the kit with ease. Plus, that barrel tip has great articulation on the cymbals.

I'm quite a stick junkie so all this may change in a few months...

stellar92010 12-06-2013 03:31 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I was talking about that with my teacher, 'cause he showed me how to hit cymbals so they don't break. And then when I asked him about how loud the big Paiste cymbals are with these big sticks he ust said, I guess this is a good time to learn dynamics. LOL. He does have a point. I imagine I want to play dynamically like I do on guitar, but I'm still in the mode of hitting everything pretty hard. So I'll have to be careful.

SmoothOperator 12-06-2013 08:37 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I had a buddy that played a pair of big sticks, like a broom handle, they did feel really good in my relatively large hands, but they were a little loud for my taste.

alparrott 12-06-2013 09:08 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I have played nearly every size and diameter of stick under the sun. I have small hands but I have found that smaller sticks don't work for me in certain situations -- my hands will feel like they're losing their grip and so I get the death claw grip, which makes it worse.

I love Vic Firth's Vic Grip, but as with many other grip sticks, it seemed to get a large stock in stores and then disappeared.

I also love longer sticks, and typically play at least a 16.5" stick. Living in the middle of the state, it can be a challenge to find a stretch stick. I tend to stock up when I'm in Seattle.

If a stick is rather thick -- like the Vic Rock or the Gavin Harrison signature stick -- I tend to use it on certain types of music where I know the weight of all that wood isn't going to cause me long-term damage. I tend to stick to 5B stretches or similar sticks for the majority of my playing.

If you're a big guy with big hands, a big stick makes sense, but a big stick doesn't have to mean hard playing any more than a small stick means you are only going to play softly. (Within structural limits of the stick, of course. Try playing arena rock with a Vic Firth SD5 Echo and see what happens.)

larryace 12-06-2013 09:33 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
To me there's a trade off. I like the tone that a fatter stick gives, but anything after 5B and I'm working too hard. The agility suffers. So basically 5B is my preferred stick, the fattest I can go without losing speed.

Vegas Island 12-06-2013 09:40 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I like practicing with larger, heavier sticks (Tommy Lee Ahead). Going down to the Tish Stix (Brian Tichy Regal Tip model) made me feel like I lost no length but can fly with less weight.

iamjohn 12-06-2013 09:45 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I play with Vic Firth Extreme 5B's. Not huge but fairly big. I enjoy running rudiments with marching drum sticks occasionally. I have a pair of MS6 Chop Outs that I really like for that. They are 17 1/8" long and .705" diameter.

BradGunnerSGT 12-07-2013 06:55 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alparrott (Post 1204729)
If you're a big guy with big hands, a big stick makes sense, but a big stick doesn't have to mean hard playing any more than a small stick means you are only going to play softly. (Within structural limits of the stick, of course. Try playing arena rock with a Vic Firth SD5 Echo and see what happens.)

I'm a smaller guy (5'5") and I have normal size hands, but I play what most would consider a big stick. The twist is that I play maple sticks instead of hickory. This lets me play a larger stick without the weight of hickory. I've played Vic Firth SD9 sticks for about 4 years now and love them. They are a tiny bit thicker than a 5B and are 16 1/2" long. I mostly play a mix of rock and loud Texas country, and everything from unmic'ed indoor gigs to bigger outdoor venues and I can play as loud of soft as I need to without having to change sticks.

IDDrummer 12-07-2013 07:13 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
The largest sticks I use on the kit are 2bs, with 5Bs and Benny Greb sigs being the norm.

I used to march drum corp and we used large sticks (too many years ago to remember the exact model) but I can't imagine using them for a general purpose stick on the kit. Not for the material I play, anyway.

stellar92010 12-07-2013 11:57 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I got the 3S sticks today. those things are so fat that I've finally met my match. The 2S sticks feel much better, and now they feel small in comparison. Looks like 2S's for me.

bassdrum 12-07-2013 01:53 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Not 'huge', but I use Vic Firth Rock sticks. They're the same diameter as 2B but with less of a taper, and I think they're also a little bit longer.
Other than them, just 5Bs. Anything smaller just feels too tiny, and I tend to hack through them on the edge of my hats in no time.

mandrew 12-08-2013 12:56 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I play mostly concert snare work, and use 2Bs for general practice to keep chops up. For concert work, I switch to VF SD1 for general use. Lighter, but still good larger stick feel which is easier to control than thin sticks. for light and softer work, I use SD2 Bolero, again for a big stick feel but lighter touch. There is a reason why kids learning to write often have fat crayons and pencils. They are easier to control, and cramp or tire the hand muscles less than using thin stuff.

Road Bull 12-10-2013 10:43 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I go back and forth between Vic Firth Rock and Vic Firth Metal. These are some big trees. I have not played with something significantly smaller in years.

Acidline303 12-27-2013 05:59 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I've used the Vic Firth SDC (Danny Carey) for quite a while. I'm finding that the Vater Shedder model is working better for me in my current situation, which is slower tempo, extremely high volume. The Vaters are pretty dense, almost Oak like, so the rimshot sound is appreciably better on the Shedders than the SDCs. I feel like the large ball tips are a step down from the Vic Firths in terms of the ride ping that I like though. If Vater made an acorn style tip on a Shedder sized stick, I'd probably go full time on them.

picodon 12-27-2013 09:16 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Nope... 5A hickory on the drum kit, anything less dense is chopped away on the hi hat too quickly, but on the snare drum in my batucada band I switched back to 5A "percussion" sticks, not sure what wood but much softer and less dense than hickory. I find that with these lighter sticks it's easier to maintain breakneck samba speed, and since my fulcrum is slightly backward vs hickory, to get the same "feel", weight-wise, the fact that there is slightly more length in front of the fulcrum makes them "moeller" more easily. So my accents are actually louder with lighter sticks.

Haven't tried any other sizes yet, one experiment at a time...

CreeplyTuna 12-28-2013 12:46 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Used to use Vic Firth 5B sticks, but switched over to Vater Nude's not too long ago. One day I realized I liked a smaller size so I switched. Every once and while I'll try my left over Nude 5Bs, and I they just don't have it anymore. I know they're not that big, but too me they feel like tree trunks now. Probably because those Nudes are heavy!

KarlCrafton 12-28-2013 06:05 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I like larger sticks, but a 2B is the largest I've gone with for kit playing. 2S are nice, but I don't care for a longer length, even with "regular" sticks.

For the last 5 or 6 years, I used double butt sticks in a custom model (shorter, 14 7/8 to 15"). I have diams between .562-.590, which is around 5A to 5B. HUGE sound, balanced feel, but just fair for any real dynamics. They pretty much start at f, and playing as light as I can is still only pf with not much control because of how lightly I'd have to lay the stick on the drum. Didn't really matter though, as I'm using them in larger venues in a heavy rock band, and we're always mic'd.

I actually started using a smaller stick this past month.
I like how I can still get a solid sound (with the butt end), but the smaller diam (.550) and 16" length (longer than I've been used to), lets me do things a bit easier in two of my bands. A lot easier sustained left hand shuffle for sure!
They aren't quite as loud when I play heavily, but just about, and the smaller stick is able to get a lot quieter when I want that.

I'm using the Regal Quantam 1000 butt ended for two of the bands, and Quantam 1000 nylons, but with the ball tip taken off for another.
That "tip" under the nylon ball is more of a nub, and fairly large, so I get a solid sound from it, but dynamically, I get from pp to ff with them, instead of starting at f with my other sticks.

I warm up on my pad with Regal 3S sticks. I really like the action those sticks have.

masonni 12-29-2013 08:19 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
For a short time I used Regal Tip Metal-X.
It's .635" x 17" same as Vic's "Metal" model. But I would pick out the lightest pairs I could find. I didn't like the extra weight, just the length and girth. I've since moved back to my 5BX.

With Street Drum Corps I'll often use their signature M1.
.695" x 16.25"

Bull 12-30-2013 09:10 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I have been experimenting with a lot of different sticks, lately. I played promark 2S for a while .when I was a kid. I was recently watching some old Tommy Aldridge clips and they made me think about them again. I'm really digging them.

robthetimekeeper 12-31-2013 12:37 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
2b or not 2b? That is the question. :)

My sticks have gotten gradually smaller and lighter over the years. Started with 2b and now use 5a.

Rhino66 12-31-2013 04:16 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I started as a kid with ProMark 747s and then 808s ...But started using the Promark Tommy Aldridge 2S Japanese Oak in 1987, and have used them ever since. Only sticks that I will use.( Oak only- not the hickory ones)

Love the Japanese Oak feel and those particular sticks have exceptional balance...theyre kinda like a longer 2b, with a bit more thickness- but I never found them too heavy , and to me, they're perfect.
Also, the 17" length enables a longer reach which is really nice. All drummers are different of course but these really work for me

whitecatcafe 12-31-2013 08:11 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I saw Thomas Lang say in an interview on YouTube that your drumstick diameter should not exceed the width of your biggest finger, usually that would be your thumb. Something to think about.

porter 12-31-2013 07:57 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by whitecatcafe (Post 1213846)
I saw Thomas Lang say in an interview on YouTube that your drumstick diameter should not exceed the width of your biggest finger, usually that would be your thumb. Something to think about.

I'm not sure how that rule of thumb (!) works, but if it helped him make his great signature sticks, I'm a fan :)

gish 01-04-2014 04:20 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I've been playing Vic Firth 2B's lately. They're pretty big, but very well balanced and playable, they don't feel like logs. I like them a lot.

Midnite Zephyr 01-04-2014 06:30 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
I started out using DC-10 sticks. I didn't know any better. Then I gradually got thinner diameter sticks over the years. I liked the 747 sticks when I played punk music and I pretty much stuck with those sticks for years and years. Now, I'm all over the place. In my quieter band I'll use wood tip 55A's, but when we gig I use nylon Vater Fusion and thick Hot Rods and wood tip Aaron Spears signatures. In the studio band, I've been using the Aaron Spears signatures and the 5B nylon sticks lately for a little more volume. It depends on the song and how I feel at the moment. I just can't seem to nail myself down to one brand or style, but I know I don't like anything bigger than a 5B anymore.

Bull 01-10-2014 04:54 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
These 2S sticks are really opening these big toms up! I am working less and every snare hit is like a gunshot. I think I have found my sticks.

Souljacker 01-30-2014 09:44 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Is it fair to say bigger sticks give better control? I'm finding the more they take up your hand space, the better they fit and have superior control as a result.

Acidline303 01-30-2014 09:49 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Souljacker (Post 1225338)
Is it fair to say bigger sticks give better control? I'm finding the more they take up your hand space, the better they fit and have superior control as a result.


I wouldnt say it necessarily gives better control. If I needed a ton of finesse or I was playing grindcore, I probably wouldn't use the Shedders.

They just feel more comfortable if you're playing more on the whole note/lower tempo side of things. The extra weight increases the sense of power you have over the drums, but I think also helps water down the urge to place too many notes into fills.

Souljacker 01-30-2014 09:56 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Acidline303 (Post 1225339)
I wouldnt say it necessarily gives better control. If I needed a ton of finesse or I was playing grindcore, I probably wouldn't use the Shedders.

They just feel more comfortable if you're playing more on the whole note/lower tempo side of things. The extra weight increases the sense of power you have over the drums, but I think also helps water down the urge to place too many notes into fills.

I get what you mean. I was using the Virgil Donati Assault sticks today (2B size) and they felt great. However, I've used them before and they felt weighty after a bit of use and switched back to a 5B.

Is it my hands getting used to the stick?

GRUNTERSDAD 01-30-2014 10:00 PM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Like baseball bats, one size does not fit all. I will caution everyone with the propensity to arthritis, especially the olde lads like me, be careful. Those big sticks will, over time, kill your hands. I have gone to smaller lighter sticks to save my hands.

Les Ismore 01-31-2014 01:02 AM

Re: Anyone use huge stick sizes?
 
Those big sticks will, over time, kill your hands.

Kill your gear too


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