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Bo Eder 11-26-2013 12:28 AM

A bit of much needed honesty today!
 
Here in the States, or at least California anyway, our vehicles have to pass a smog test to make sure the car isn't putting more pollutants into the air than is allowable. The car needs to be tested every other year in order to register it and be legal to drive.

A few weeks ago my "check engine" light comes on and won't turn off, and I've been mentally preparing myself for the coming $500 or so repair bill that always comes with these repairs that result from no visible damage (it's like paying for an intangible). One local place couldn't figure it out and told me to keep driving it until something really broke.

I took it to a guy who's closer to me (so I can walk home) and let him work on it. Two hours later he calls me back and says to come get the car and he'll fill me in when I get there. I prepare to have my American Express cards at the ready.

He tells me he won't take any money because it was simple sensor connection that came loose. It wasn't right to charge me. He even told me stories of the place I originally went to who couldn't figure it out. What a nice guy. So I asked him what kind of beer he likes. So I'm off to go get him a case of Coronas.

Today is a great day ;)

Jeremy Bender 11-26-2013 12:39 AM

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"Today is a great day ;) "
And so is karma!

GRUNTERSDAD 11-26-2013 01:12 AM

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We used to have to have our cars checked in Florida but the system was so corrupt it has ended. Nice to find an honest mechanic other than Bob

MrInsanePolack 11-26-2013 01:20 AM

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We don't have any of that mess here in Arkansas. No emissions, no inspections, no nothing. If it runs and has all its lights, you are good to go.

shemp 11-26-2013 01:28 AM

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Arkansas is my kind of place. I moved to SoCal from Cleveland OH and, lemme tell ya, when it comes time to retire, I'm moving to the Ozarks and ridding myself of this liberal nonsense out here....(did I just say that?)

Ok...yes...here I am....conservative republican on-board....take your shots

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Originally Posted by MrInsanePolack (Post 1201145)
We don't have any of that mess here in Arkansas. No emissions, no inspections, no nothing. If it runs and has all its lights, you are good to go.


Zickos 11-26-2013 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1201134)
Here in the States, or at least California anyway, our vehicles have to pass a smog test to make sure the car isn't putting more pollutants into the air than is allowable. The car needs to be tested every other year in order to register it and be legal to drive.

A few weeks ago my "check engine" light comes on and won't turn off, and I've been mentally preparing myself for the coming $500 or so repair bill that always comes with these repairs that result from no visible damage (it's like paying for an intangible). One local place couldn't figure it out and told me to keep driving it until something really broke.

I took it to a guy who's closer to me (so I can walk home) and let him work on it. Two hours later he calls me back and says to come get the car and he'll fill me in when I get there. I prepare to have my American Express cards at the ready.

He tells me he won't take any money because it was simple sensor connection that came loose. It wasn't right to charge me. He even told me stories of the place I originally went to who couldn't figure it out. What a nice guy. So I asked him what kind of beer he likes. So I'm off to go get him a case of Coronas.

Today is a great day ;)

Be sure to throw in a few limes.

MaryO 11-26-2013 02:09 AM

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I'm jealous! I just paid $200 to have my engine light fixed. Good for you!

Anon La Ply 11-26-2013 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 1201146)
... liberal nonsense out here....

One day I will understand US politics. It seems to me that in the US tighter controls over people's behaviour equals liberalism, unless the controls are placed over people's sex lives or preferred state of consciousness, in which case the tighter controls become Republican ...

The ever shifting tribal loyalties of human beings don't make a lot of sense, apart from bonding and networking I guess. Like Masonic handshakes.

Bo, good to run into decent mechanics. I must be lucky because wherever I move the local garage is run by honest, decent types. Hopefully your mechanic likes Coronas. Some men scoff at Corona's as wimpy beer, preferring the thick malty beers that taste like urine ...

Ian Williams 11-26-2013 03:11 AM

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Quite good analysis, Ms. Anon La Ply, Ma'am! ;-)

... It seems that urine is better than wimpy juice! ;-D

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Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1201155)
One day I will understand US politics. It seems to me that in the US tighter controls over people's behaviour equals liberalism, unless the controls are placed over people's sex lives or preferred state of consciousness, in which case the tighter controls become Republican ...

The ever shifting tribal loyalties of human beings don't make a lot of sense, apart from bonding and networking I guess. Like Masonic handshakes.

Bo, good to run into decent mechanics. I must be lucky because wherever I move the local garage is run by honest, decent types. Hopefully your mechanic likes Coronas. Some men scoff at Corona's as wimpy beer, preferring the thick malty beers that taste like urine ...


Red Menace 11-26-2013 03:35 AM

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You'll figure it out one day Pol. We are very swayed by rhetoric here and this ever-changing notion of personal liberties. After 9/11 this concept of "Freedom" was kicked up and has been used quite a bit ever since.

Sorry, not meaning to start a political discussion here. I do find it strange now that I think about it though. I always held AZ to be a pretty conservative state but we have required emission tests same as California. I have to go get it checked every year before I renew my vehicle registration.

Good story Bo, I like a story that ends with beer. My father in law likes Coronas, me not so much. I jokingly told him once "Mexicans don't drink their own urine."

Anon La Ply 11-26-2013 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace (Post 1201172)
I do find it strange now that I think about it though. I always held AZ to be a pretty conservative state but we have required emission tests same as California. I have to go get it checked every year before I renew my vehicle registration.

Harking back to the basis of conservatism and liberalism - exploited workers struggling against the yoke of their oppressors bla bla - I wonder if having to get your car checked for fumes is actually "liberal"? It looks neutral to me.

All sides of politics are far more Machiavellian than honest, hence their continued existence (anyone trying to be truthful in politics will HAVE NO alliances and soon get chewed up and spat out). People take their ethical cues from politicians and honesty is increasingly seen as naivete, so it makes instances of honesty like Bo described seem special rather than commonplace.

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Originally Posted by Red Menace (Post 1201172)
My father in law likes Coronas, me not so much. I jokingly told him once "Mexicans don't drink their own urine."

It might look more like pee than the ghastly stuff Ian posted, but at least it doesn't taste like it :)

JustJames 11-26-2013 04:41 AM

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What I've always found wonderful about American politics is that people on either side of the Republican/Democrat divide tar the other side as pinko communist socialists or crazed reactionaries.

...and those of us outside the US struggle to see the difference betweet the two sides.

CreeplyTuna 11-26-2013 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJames (Post 1201190)
What I've always found wonderful about American politics is that people on either side of the Republican/Democrat divide tar the other side as pinko communist socialists or crazed reactionaries.

...and those of us outside the US struggle to see the difference betweet the two sides.

To me, it seems like an increasing lot of us in the US want to be the ones outside.

brady 11-26-2013 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJames (Post 1201190)
What I've always found wonderful about American politics is that people on either side of the Republican/Democrat divide tar the other side as pinko communist socialists or crazed reactionaries.

...and those of us outside the US struggle to see the difference betweet the two sides.

Pretty much.

It's all meant as a distraction I think. They are only concerned with themselves.

If they can get us bitching at each other, we don't seem to notice how much they all screw us.

Anon La Ply 11-26-2013 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJames (Post 1201190)
What I've always found wonderful about American politics is that people on either side of the Republican/Democrat divide tar the other side as pinko communist socialists or crazed reactionaries.

...and those of us outside the US struggle to see the difference between the two sides.

Same with our two "sides" of politics in Oz, of course. Ditto the rest of the west. Basically our governments act as the administrative arm, distraction and fall guy for the major multinational corporations who dictate national policy. He who pays the piper calls the tune. The two majors differ in the smaller policy areas their corporate masters permit them to determine without "guidance".

Sorry Bo! lol

Red Menace 11-26-2013 06:58 AM

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...and just like that the thread has been Saturn'd.

Bo Eder 11-26-2013 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace (Post 1201223)
...and just like that the thread has been Saturn'd.

Dang it! Well, at least my intentions were good. Actually, I asked my mechanic what he liked, and he told me Coronas. He didn't believe I actually brought back an 18-count box of the stuff for him. He laughed and we shook hands, and I told him I'll be back for an oil change next week.

Regarding the political "sleight of hand" that goes on, I often wondered if Michael Jackson was on the government payroll. I seem to recall whenever we got screwed out of something, Michael Jackson would do something crazy. It's all about misdirection, I guess :)

I dunno, sometimes it's good to say, "I'm just the drummer, ya know?"

Drumsinhisheart 11-26-2013 01:00 PM

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I kind of see the two issues in the same bucket.

Politicians create almost innumerable problems with their laws, regulations, fees, etc. That leaves less money for people to spend on their automobiles, musical instruments, etc, which then effects the people in those industries and the amount of money they have to spend on things they like or need. Obamacare is a perfect example which effects all Americans and the amount of money millions will no longer have to spend on things THEY want to spend it on.

Politicians are the destruction of the Republic. If they were all statesmen, patriots, loyal to their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution and stay within the confines of limited government, everyone would have more money to spend, or save, and the economy would be strong.

Anon La Ply 11-26-2013 01:27 PM

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The horror ... the horror ...

keep it simple 11-26-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1201134)

He tells me he won't take any money because it was simple sensor connection that came loose. It wasn't right to charge me.

Fantastic! Human nature, faith in - restored. Actually, I find examples daily. What a good man, & someone who knows how to build a loyal customer base too.

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Originally Posted by MrInsanePolack (Post 1201145)
We don't have any of that mess here in Arkansas. No emissions, no inspections, no nothing.

I don't see why it's "unconstitutional" to control PM10s & other very harmful emissions. Driving behind someone who's operating a mobile soot dispenser is no fun. Maybe I should go & light up that cigar in the nursery ;)

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Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1201155)
It seems to me that in the US tighter controls over people's behaviour equals liberalism, unless the controls are placed over people's sex lives or preferred state of consciousness, in which case the tighter controls become Republican ...

;) ;) ;)

The Old Hyde 11-26-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MrInsanePolack (Post 1201145)
We don't have any of that mess here in Arkansas. No emissions, no inspections, no nothing. If it runs and has all its lights, you are good to go.

what Arkansas fail to see is that their emissions effect other states as well, not just theirs.

Jeff Almeyda 11-26-2013 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1201155)
One day I will understand US politics. It seems to me that in the US tighter controls over people's behaviour equals liberalism, unless the controls are placed over people's sex lives or preferred state of consciousness, in which case the tighter controls become Republican ...

That was quite a witty statement. Thanks for making me smile.

Back to Bo's point. Mechanics are one group in which honesty is always a surprise. If I could just find an honest home contractor, I'd be set.

8Mile 11-26-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1201155)
One day I will understand US politics. It seems to me that in the US tighter controls over people's behaviour equals liberalism, unless the controls are placed over people's sex lives or preferred state of consciousness, in which case the tighter controls become Republican ...

Awesome, Grea. Very nice :)

tamadrm 11-26-2013 03:43 PM

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Bo..I have to have my vehicle checked for emmissions and mechanical defects every year,in addition to registration.That amounts to over 120 bucks.

The engine light usually comes on if you have a defective oxygen sensor,or just a lose wire,I'm glad you met an honest machanic.Here is Staten Island,the're like hens teeth.My usual guy,retired,and sold the business to a thief.The standard labor charge in NY city is 85 dollars and hour.

Mechanics in NY state,are required to give you back your old/defective parts when they complete the work,should you ask for them,as proof,that they actually replaced the part.

This thief,had a small dumpster in the back of the shop,where he stored some replaced parts,so if some one asked for them back,he could just dig something out.

Often times,you may not need a new battery or starter or alternator or fuel pump.Lots of times it's just a lose wire.This guy was just spray painting the part,while it was still in the car,connecting the lose wire,and charging you for a new part...plus 2 hours labor.

Not a bad profit.It cost about 2.75 for a can of paint,and about 10 minutes to clean and paint the old part.

Steve B

larryz 11-26-2013 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Old Hyde (Post 1201285)
what Arkansas fail to see is that their emissions effect other states as well, not just theirs.

I agree. Good point. Not to bash the great state of Arkansas but emissions control is a good thing. The not so good thing is that a majority of auto shops use this as an opportunity to gouge customers. Too often we drop off the car for inspection and wait and wait all nervous for "that phone call" from the repair person hoping that we don't have to get a loan so the car can pass inspection and we can drive again.

Not fair that trucks don't have to follow the same emission standards (I think).

MrInsanePolack 11-26-2013 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Old Hyde (Post 1201285)
what Arkansas fail to see is that their emissions effect other states as well, not just theirs.

We have less than 3 million people statewide, with a population density of 56 people per square mile.

My wife's cousin and his girlfriend just moved here from California like 3 weeks ago. One of the first things they said when they got here is "The sky is so big here. We don't have this much sky in Cali." Anyone want to guess why? No smog or air pollution.

There is also lots of money in this area, and most people drive fairly new cars.

We like freedom here, not big government.

The Old Hyde 11-26-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MrInsanePolack (Post 1201297)
We have less than 3 million people statewide, with a population density of 56 people per square mile.

My wife's cousin and his girlfriend just moved here from California like 3 weeks ago. One of the first things they said when they got here is "The sky is so big here. We don't have this much sky in Cali." Anyone want to guess why? No smog or air pollution.

There is also lots of money in this area, and most people drive fairly new cars.

We like freedom here, not big government.

Nothing against Arkansas, and they probably cant see the stars at night in Cali like you can either.

MrInsanePolack 11-26-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Old Hyde (Post 1201303)
Nothing against Arkansas, and they probably cant see the stars at night in Cali like you can either.

Actually on a clear night we can see the satellites traversing the sky too.

The Old Hyde 11-26-2013 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrInsanePolack (Post 1201312)
Actually on a clear night we can see the satellites traversing the sky too.

That's really cool! places like that are losing out to light pollution elsewhere.

shemp 11-26-2013 05:34 PM

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I've had my eye on Arkansas for several years...I'm retiring there, plain and simple. The Ozarks are one of the most beautiful locations in our wonderful country.

I love the USA....But, I do agree with the sentiment here regarding the political state of affairs in this country.

Bo Eder 11-26-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 1201325)
I've had my eye on Arkansas for several years...I'm retiring there, plain and simple. The Ozarks are one of the most beautiful locations in our wonderful country.

I love the USA....But, I do agree with the sentiment here regarding the political state of affairs in this country.

We did a vacation in Florida one year and we drove from Orlando down to Key West. Once you leave the mainland heading through the Keys, we met alot of disgruntled, angry people who complained about everything in this country and how it was heading down the tubes. I had to tell one guy, "Hey, you know you're still living in the United States, right?" I think in the Keys they think it isn't the U.S. or something.

shemp 11-26-2013 06:42 PM

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Florida is a "unique" place to begin with....lol

I think as we mature and develop our logical thinking and add some pragmatism to the stew, it is easy to get a bit jaded with some facets of how the country is managed and run....or you can bury your head in the sand and enjoy life.

I don't have any answers, but I know that I have been and will continue to pay may taxes and when I become a tax number emeritus, I am going to expect to live a trouble free life and enjoy my retirement.....thats my expectation. I can see how some get frustrated.


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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1201340)
We did a vacation in Florida one year and we drove from Orlando down to Key West. Once you leave the mainland heading through the Keys, we met alot of disgruntled, angry people who complained about everything in this country and how it was heading down the tubes. I had to tell one guy, "Hey, you know you're still living in the United States, right?" I think in the Keys they think it isn't the U.S. or something.


leanneislearningtodrum 11-26-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1201244)

Regarding the political "sleight of hand" that goes on, I often wondered if Michael Jackson was on the government payroll. I seem to recall whenever we got screwed out of something, Michael Jackson would do something crazy. It's all about misdirection, I guess :)

I wonder about this too sometimes. Here in Canada we've had our own sensational political news lately ("crack smoking mayor" sound familiar?). The story and the tolerance for the actions of this one politician are bizarre to me. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it has crossed my mind that focus on one crazy mayor could easily draw attention away from something else that's happening. It's just such a weird series of events.

Makes me glad I have a straightforward, non-political job.

Bo - it sounds like you're very fortunate with your new mechanic. That case of beer probably made his day, and will likely ensure a great working relationship between the two of you. Good mechanics are hard to find!

robthetimekeeper 11-27-2013 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1201340)
We did a vacation in Florida one year and we drove from Orlando down to Key West. Once you leave the mainland heading through the Keys, we met alot of disgruntled, angry people who complained about everything in this country and how it was heading down the tubes. I had to tell one guy, "Hey, you know you're still living in the United States, right?" I think in the Keys they think it isn't the U.S. or something.

I was born and raised in the Lower Keys so I know exactly what you mean.
On April 23,1982 the Keys did symbolically secede from the union in protest of an unjust Federal Govt. blockade of the only highway to the mainland (US-1).
I think some of the locals took it way too seriously. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conch_Republic

18 pack of Coronas........................................... ..$20
Finding an honest mechanic.................................Priceless !

Anon La Ply 11-27-2013 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MrInsanePolack (Post 1201297)
We have less than 3 million people statewide, with a population density of 56 people per square mile.

... We like freedom here, not big government.

Best not to scoff at the crowded, regulated states, Mr IP.

We have over 7 billion people in the world now, growing faster than any time in history. Look at China and India - the way they live is our future. Not culturally, but logistically - that's how things will go with the weight of increasing population. The more people you have in a cramped area, the more rules are needed to maintain orderly society and prevent anarchy.

In truth, many of the most important freedoms in our real lives have nothing to do with rules - it's more a matter of being free to go places and obtain services without spending half your life in a queue ...

Bo Eder 11-27-2013 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by robthetimekeeper (Post 1201496)
I was born and raised in the Lower Keys so I know exactly what you mean.
On April 23,1982 the Keys did symbolically secede from the union in protest of an unjust Federal Govt. blockade of the only highway to the mainland (US-1).
I think some of the locals took it way too seriously. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conch_Republic

18 pack of Coronas........................................... ..$20
Finding an honest mechanic.................................Priceless !

Wow. I did not know about the symbolic seceding. I'm sure those people also enjoy the fact that the military and red cross can get down there to save them during hurricane season, eh?

criz p. critter 11-27-2013 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by shemp (Post 1201146)
Arkansas is my kind of place. I moved to SoCal from Cleveland OH and, lemme tell ya, when it comes time to retire, I'm moving to the Ozarks and ridding myself of this liberal nonsense out here....(did I just say that?)

Ok...yes...here I am....conservative republican on-board....take your shots

Hey Shemp, you stole my previous-stolen-by-me quote! Why, I outta murdilize you!
Seriously though, if you're a conservative, why do you like the Dude? He's a deadbeat hippy liberal!

shemp 11-27-2013 07:14 AM

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Don't you just love the Hypocrisy of it all though? LOL! I knew I was gonna get called out on that, but I love that movie beyond words....I could never be the Dude, but "I like his style"

Lots of threads in old duders head :-)


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Originally Posted by criz p. critter (Post 1201555)
Hey Shemp, you stole my previous-stolen-by-me quote! Why, I outta murdilize you!
Seriously though, if you're a conservative, why do you like the Dude? He's a deadbeat hippy liberal!


MrInsanePolack 11-27-2013 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1201505)
Best not to scoff at the crowded, regulated states, Mr IP.

We have over 7 billion people in the world now, growing faster than any time in history. Look at China and India - the way they live is our future. Not culturally, but logistically - that's how things will go with the weight of increasing population. The more people you have in a cramped area, the more rules are needed to maintain orderly society and prevent anarchy.

In truth, many of the most important freedoms in our real lives have nothing to do with rules - it's more a matter of being free to go places and obtain services without spending half your life in a queue ...

Not scoffing, just enjoying my free to go places and obtaining services without having to deal with the queue. They can have their big cities and their regulations. I like the slower pace of life where people actually have manners and respect for one another, and aren't all in some sort of hurry. For me, less people = better quality of life.

Otto 11-27-2013 10:48 PM

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"This thread is not approved by The Automotive Service Association of America."


...move along...


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