DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM

DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/index.php)
-   Heads and Sticks (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16)
-   -   Level 360 (http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111944)

AudioWonderland 11-21-2013 04:13 PM

Level 360
 
Has anyone had a chance to A/B the Evans 360 heads with old style Evans or Remo heads?

TColumbia37 11-21-2013 04:24 PM

Re: Level 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AudioWonderland (Post 1199922)
Has anyone had a chance to A/B the Evans 360 heads with old style Evans or Remo heads?

They essentially sound the same. Seating and tuning is a bit easier. I have a rack tom and a floor tom, both with G2s over G1s, and they sound great.

EvansSpecialist 11-21-2013 05:12 PM

Re: Level 360
 
Here's a really simple, straightforward video that a consumer produced to A/B the fit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw2cQuqWj1w

AudioWonderland 11-21-2013 05:13 PM

Re: Level 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TColumbia37 (Post 1199926)
They essentially sound the same. Seating and tuning is a bit easier. I have a rack tom and a floor tom, both with G2s over G1s, and they sound great.

The seating and tuning is what I mostly wanted to know about. I saw a youtube vid that shows the the 360's pretty nicely but portrays the Remo's pretty badly. I just seem to think the playing field was not exactly level. I would be interested in others opinions as well. I know the Remo's are not as bad as portrayed here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_4he6qZHGc

jspitza 11-21-2013 05:47 PM

Re: Level 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AudioWonderland (Post 1199937)
The seating and tuning is what I mostly wanted to know about. I saw a youtube vid that shows the the 360's pretty nicely but portrays the Remo's pretty badly. I just seem to think the playing field was not exactly level. I would be interested in others opinions as well. I know the Remo's are not as bad as portrayed here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_4he6qZHGc

Good morning:
I have recently changed all my heads to the 360's even though I switched to Evans from Remo years ago. The difference for me is astounding. I have a Mapex Birch with plenty of britghtness and attack, which I love but missed a bit of the midrange offered by Maple. I also tune very high to very low. I now have EC2 frosted (not coated ) batter and EC2 reso on my 10,12 and 13 inch toms. A EC2 Clear batter and EC2 reso on my 16 floor tom. I have a EMAD black on the 22 inch bass drum batter and EQ3 non ported on the reso. Finally, a EC2 with reverse power center disk and 300 reso on an Orion maple 14 inch snare. Due to the impatience of my youth I'm blessed with a weak lower back which makes for a lot of fun when changing the bass drum heads. The fit is SO good that I can change the BD heads in place and not have to worry about uneven fit or tension. Please try them out! I think you'll be impressed. Hope this helps, Jeff

TColumbia37 11-21-2013 07:24 PM

Re: Level 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AudioWonderland (Post 1199937)
The seating and tuning is what I mostly wanted to know about. I saw a youtube vid that shows the the 360's pretty nicely but portrays the Remo's pretty badly. I just seem to think the playing field was not exactly level. I would be interested in others opinions as well. I know the Remo's are not as bad as portrayed here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_4he6qZHGc

No, Remos are great heads. I've always been a Remo guy. I'm only using Evans because I'm trying to make an effort to see what else is out there and try other things before I really make my decision on what I like.

Remos will take a little longer to get seated and tuned up, but aside from that, I see no reason to think that they are inferior to Evans equivalents.

I switched from Pinstripes over Ambassadors to G2s over G1s, and the drums really opened up and sang beautifully, but that's a difference between two heads which can't really be fairly compared to one another. I'm thinking about going to G1s over G1s to get even more sustain and resonance.

Evans or Remo, you'll end up with a great head. If your drums are particularly difficult to tune, I would definitely go Evans, but you can still achieve the same result with Remo.

Acidline303 11-21-2013 09:13 PM

Re: Level 360
 
I've been using Evans for at least 15 years. With that, you'd think I'm going to be incredibly fanatical and biased about any "groundbreaking" changes they've made to the product.

I just reheaded my toms from "original" G2 clears to Level 360 G2 clears.

Honestly, I can agree that the heads seem to seat quite easily. If the claim is "easier" then I don't think I can proclaim that. My toms have dual cut 45 degree edges so seating was never that difficult to begin with. I've never once had an Evans head I had to wobble or use excessive force on to get it around the bearing edge of a drum.

Despite the ease with which these heads are supposed to mount, I still used the "tighten, push down on the head, retighten" method. While pushing on the heads, there may or may not have been less of the crinkling and crackling sound from the head pulling in the adhesive. When turning the tension rods though, there was definitely less of that. Tuning low was easy from the get go. To get pure tones at higher tensions still required the head to sit overnight.

Overall, my impression is that theres nothing about the Level 360 "technology" I can say is a bad thing, but I question how much of a "thing" it is in the first place.

I do still have first-gen black resonants on the toms so maybe when I swap those out I'll do an A/B video.

larryace 11-21-2013 09:28 PM

Re: Level 360
 
Level 360 notwithstanding, I find Evans heads to have a little more attack than Remo, a little brighter, at the slight expense of warmth. Remos sound just a little bit warmer to me. Right now I have clear ambs over a clear genera resonant head. My drum is a bit brighter than if I had a clear amb as a reso. So I like that between both brands, you can mix, or not, and they provide what the other lacks. Not that either head is truly lacking. You know what I mean.

They should make drums that flip over in the mount so if you mix brands of heads, you can get a different attack variation. You'd still have to retune, but at least you don't have to switch heads.

Ruok 11-21-2013 11:30 PM

Re: Level 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1199994)
Level 360 notwithstanding, I find Evans heads to have a little more attack than Remo, a little brighter, at the slight expense of warmth. Remos sound just a little bit warmer to me.

Hmmm. Really? That is interesting to me. I find just the opposite to be true. I've compared my own drums using both brands and found the Evans to be warmer with less attack and the Remo's to be brighter with more attack. This seems to be true when I watch youtube videos that compare them as well, at least the specific ones I've watched. I'd be very interested to see what others think too.

I just bought some G1 360s top and bottom for my home kit and they're quite warm sounding compared to the Ambassadors I had on them. In the past, my Remo Emperors had a brightness I did not hear in my G2s. Maybe it's the drums and not the heads so much? I don't know. (I'm not trying to start a fight or trying to derail this thread. All our ears are different. There's no right or wrong answer. I'm just curious how others hear them too).

larryace 11-22-2013 12:23 AM

Re: Level 360
 
Lol I knew this would happen! Haga!

porter 11-22-2013 01:31 AM

Re: Level 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jspitza (Post 1199943)
Due to the impatience of my youth I'm blessed with a weak lower back which makes for a lot of fun when changing the bass drum heads. The fit is SO good that I can change the BD heads in place and not have to worry about uneven fit or tension.

Unless Evans has secretly rolled them out recently, all of their bass drum heads still use the old collar design.

I never had problems seating Remos (or Aquarians for that matter, which have comparable collar technology) but I do agree with others' statements about their ease of tuning (which I also had with Aquarian) and the lowness of the tone that one can get (couldn't really find with Aquarian). I use clear G1s through G14s right now (switching to G12s sometime) and the depths to which my drums can go is really something else (which I experienced also with the G14s on my last kit), and complements the stave construction well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1199994)
Level 360 notwithstanding, I find Evans heads to have a little more attack than Remo, a little brighter, at the slight expense of warmth. Remos sound just a little bit warmer to me. Right now I have clear ambs over a clear genera resonant head. My drum is a bit brighter than if I had a clear amb as a reso. So I like that between both brands, you can mix, or not, and they provide what the other lacks. Not that either head is truly lacking. You know what I mean.

Agreed on the Remo v Evans comparison. I still use Remo exclusively for my snare because I haven't found any Evans that can match the sweetness of tone I hear (plus, I dislike the Evans logo and much prefer Remo's).

I'd guess the brightness is due to the Generas having the clear film rather than the semi-hazy film of G1s and Ambassadors, which Ben (evansspecialist) says produces more high frequences. I think that is the case, given my experience with them.

AudioWonderland 11-22-2013 02:40 AM

Re: Level 360
 
Been checking out several clips online that confirm my personal experience that the Evans heads were warmer and smoother than the Remo equivilant.

SgtThump 11-22-2013 03:00 AM

Re: Level 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruok (Post 1200032)
Hmmm. Really? That is interesting to me. I find just the opposite to be true. I've compared my own drums using both brands and found the Evans to be warmer with less attack and the Remo's to be brighter with more attack. This seems to be true when I watch youtube videos that compare them as well, at least the specific ones I've watched. I'd be very interested to see what others think too.

I just bought some G1 360s top and bottom for my home kit and they're quite warm sounding compared to the Ambassadors I had on them. In the past, my Remo Emperors had a brightness I did not hear in my G2s. Maybe it's the drums and not the heads so much? I don't know. (I'm not trying to start a fight or trying to derail this thread. All our ears are different. There's no right or wrong answer. I'm just curious how others hear them too).

Same experience here.

Doug Masters 11-22-2013 03:06 AM

Re: Level 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruok (Post 1200032)
Hmmm. Really? That is interesting to me. I find just the opposite to be true. I've compared my own drums using both brands and found the Evans to be warmer with less attack and the Remo's to be brighter with more attack. This seems to be true when I watch youtube videos that compare them as well, at least the specific ones I've watched. I'd be very interested to see what others think too.


I agree with Larry. But you know whats cool about drumming? We are both right!! Sound is so subjective and our perceptions so varied that if you think one sounds better than the other, you're right.

JesusMySavior 11-22-2013 12:01 PM

Re: Level 360
 
I have found the 360 heads to be easier to tune. Of course I have only tried the G14's in 360 and not even on my own drum kit but on our church's set.

The best thing about 360 heads (for now)? The older Evans heads are being blown out for rock bottom prices a lot of places! :-)

jspitza 11-22-2013 01:48 PM

Re: Level 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by porter (Post 1200061)
Unless Evans has secretly rolled them out recently, all of their bass drum heads still use the old collar design.

I never had problems seating Remos (or Aquarians for that matter, which have comparable collar technology) but I do agree with others' statements about their ease of tuning (which I also had with Aquarian) and the lowness of the tone that one can get (couldn't really find with Aquarian). I use clear G1s through G14s right now (switching to G12s sometime) and the depths to which my drums can go is really something else (which I experienced also with the G14s on my last kit), and complements the stave construction well.



Agreed on the Remo v Evans comparison. I still use Remo exclusively for my snare because I haven't found any Evans that can match the sweetness of tone I hear (plus, I dislike the Evans logo and much prefer Remo's).

I'd guess the brightness is due to the Generas having the clear film rather than the semi-hazy film of G1s and Ambassadors, which Ben (evansspecialist) says produces more high frequences. I think that is the case, given my experience with them.

yes up to 20 inch- I must have got the "180" on the bass drum heads .......

TColumbia37 11-28-2013 05:32 AM

Re: Level 360
 
Okay, I just finished replacing the heads on my Yamaha kit. My Ddrums had the level 360s, and sounds great with them. I figure I could only get better results with my better kit.

I went with G1 over G1 for my 12" rack tom, and G2 over G1 for my 16" floor tom. Mahogany shells, so they naturally have a fairly short sustain.

The first thing I noticed was tunability, immediately. When I made the switch on my Ddrums, the difference didn't seem that huge, but those drums are kind of tough to tune in general. My Yamaha kit was kind of a pain to tune with the pinstripes over ambassadors, but with these new heads, it was a breeze. It only took me about 2-3 minutes per head to swap it out and tune it up. THAT is incredible.

I've never heard my Yamahas sound so good before. My rack tom sounded kind of dead, but now it sings for days, and the same goes for my floor tom. I couldn't be happier with these heads.

I'd like to thank EvansSpecialist for continuing to recommend a product that he believes in, even when I was reluctant and stubborn. You have a new believer.

risewiththefallen 11-28-2013 05:43 AM

Re: Level 360
 
Put a g1 over 300 on my saturn snare, also added puresound blaster wire. My snare sounds better than ever. Can't wait to try level 360s on the rest of my kit!

shemp 11-28-2013 06:28 AM

Re: Level 360
 
I've been using an assortment of evans heads and I've been very pleased with all of them....g1 clear, g2 clear, ec2 sst, emad....I just bought a Tom pack of the 360 g2 variety and dropped one on a ludwig 12" rack and I did immediately notice how well it fit on the bearing edge and it sure did seem to tune up fast and respond with a deep resonant tone.

I will not say that the tone was any better than the nominal g2, but I do feel I got where I wanted faster. I've been very very happy with evans heads on everything with one exception...

I prefer the Remo coated ambassador on snare batter....they wear faster, but that is what I like about them....to my ears they have a more, I dunno, elastic feel....the coated g1 lasts longer but has a plasticky sort of attack and a stiffer feel....

porter 11-28-2013 06:38 AM

Re: Level 360
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shemp (Post 1201902)
I prefer the Remo coated ambassador on snare batter....they wear faster, but that is what I like about them....to my ears they have a more, I dunno, elastic feel....the coated g1 lasts longer but has a plasticky sort of attack and a stiffer feel....

That's my findings too. I think Remo has an all around 'sweeter' sound. Thus, I use coated heads from Remo usually, and clear heads from Evans.


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 12:30 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Bernhard Castiglioni's DRUMMERWORLD.com