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bobdadruma 10-04-2013 03:05 AM

My Vintage Mid 60's Slingerland Jazz Kit
 
I just purchased a somewhat rare mid sixties Slingerland kit in Jazz sizes
14x18, 12x8, 14x14, 14x5.
The kit is wrapped in Black Pearl.
It was custom ordered in Connecticut back in circa 1965 by a drummer who later passed it on to his son.
The son put it away in storage for 40+ years and now it is mine.
I have decided to upgrade it with some modern components.

More to follow including pics and video.
Stay tuned, Same Bat Time, Same Bat Channel :)
That is all that I can share with you guys for now.
I am to pick up the drums this coming Saturday morning.
They are currently in New York State.
I just finished combing the net and ordering all sorts of goodies for this baby.
To be honest, my friend Ducky did most of the work while I took a nap. This was mostly his idea from the start.
I don't know why I go along with his crazy schemes in the first place, but he always talks me into things.
If you don't like the finished product you can all blame it on the duck!

larryace 10-04-2013 03:56 AM

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Oooo can't wait Bob. Vintage drums rock.

So I guess we have a mouse, a duck, and a roach. Does the duck have a name?

mmulcahy1 10-04-2013 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1185813)
Oooo can't wait Bob. Vintage drums rock.

Shouldn't this be vintage drums jazz, I mean they are jazz sizes, right?

Nice score, Bob!!

caddywumpus 10-04-2013 08:23 AM

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Can't wait for the pics!

There was a BDP 60s Slingy on Portland's craigslist for a while. It had a 12x8 rack tom, 16x16 floor tom, and an 18x20 (yes, 20" deep) bass drum. It was apparently all original. I thought about buying it a few times, but it didn't seem worth the $400.

Yours sounds sweet!

Stixnergard2 10-04-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1185801)
I just purchased a somewhat rare mid sixties Slingerland kit in Jazz sizes
14x18, 12x8, 14x14, 14x5.
The kit is wrapped in Black Pearl.
It was custom ordered in Connecticut back in circa 1965 by a drummer who later passed it on to his son.
The son put it away in storage for 40+ years and now it is mine.
I have decided to upgrade it with some modern components.

Sounds like an all original hard to find vintage kit. I don't know what modern components you are refering to, I hope it doesn't include drilling holes.

double_G 10-04-2013 04:46 PM

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this is an INSANE combo. *nobody* owns an original Slingerland kit in those sizes. if you paid less than 4K for this numbers matching kit (and its in great shape from the storage)...its the deal of the year. also this thread sucks without pictures. just kidding...post them here when it happens.

bobdadruma 10-05-2013 04:48 AM

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So it is really rare to the point that it may be worth more than what I paid? Someone mentioned $4000. I didn't think that they were that rare, and Slingerland never goes for the big bucks like Gretsch Round Badges and Ludwig Vintage Keystones in those sizes do.
I will post pics tomorrow afternoon and we will sort this out with all of you Slingy experts out there.
I have 14 days to get money back if they aren't up to snuff so it is a safe deal.
Caddy, I paid more than $400 :)
Larry, His name is Sandy Hook Duck and he is a real cool bud.

Here is some info; The kit includes a 5"x14" matching Artist Snare 8 lug.
There are badges on the Snare and Bass drum only, # 77,762 on the Snare, # 77,775 on the Bass Drum putting them at '65
The drums are stamped '65 in the snare and '64 in the Toms. The toms have no badges as far as I know.
The interior of the shells are clear.
My guess is that a bass drum from a Jet kit was combined with standard offerings from the Jazz combo series in a custom order. The buyer didn't like vent holes so he ordered the toms without badges and holes.

My first kit back in 1971 was a 60's Slingerland in 20, 12, 16 sizes. I loved it, but here are the things that I didn't like about it.
They are as follows;
Bass drum spurs.
Rail consolette and tom mount.
Bass drum mounted cymbal holder.
Floor tom legs.
These are the things that I will update and improve on this kit that I have just purchased.
keep in mind that this is going to be my daily working Jazz kit that I both practice and gig with.
This baby is gonna get played a lot!

eamesuser 10-05-2013 03:01 PM

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I think that Sling did not put badges on toms in the 60's.yours are from the right time period for that.

Vintage era Bop size kits are among the most valuable,esp from the 60's,with Gretsch Round badge and Camco oaklawn bringing crazy money,in the 4000.00 6000.00 for prime / desirable examples.Slings seem to for reasons I don't really understand do not bring near as much,but with a matching artist snare I would think would be worth at least 1200.00

Of course they are your drums to do whatever you want with,I dig vintage drums,but I also think they should be played,but if they are all original with no extra holes I would implore you to see if you can make them work for your application without irreversible mods.

Congrats on a nice kit and I think you will dig the vintage mojo.

bobdadruma 10-05-2013 03:40 PM

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Thank you eamesuser, I figured that the Slingerland Bop kits don't have the value that the others have. I did pay a reasonable market price that is on the upper end of the Slingerland price chart. Understandable because I got a complete kit You get what you pay for.
The lower value of vintage Slingerland's is what gives you the window to modify them.
It would be crazy to modify a Gretsch because of the high value. Modifying a Slingerland kit will not lower its value.

After long thought I have decided to do a DW Jazz Series build out on this kit.
It will include a DW bass drum lifter.
A DW Rail Consolette with a 12.7mm mounting rod.
Ludwig Atlas 12.7mm tom isolation mount.
Two DW bass drum mounted long cymbal holders.
Gibraltar folding bass drum spurs
Gibraltar 10'5mm floor tom legs and mounts with memory locks.

This will make the kit adhere to my needs.

Stixnergard2 10-05-2013 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1186326)
Thank you eamesuser, I figured that the Slingerland Bop kits don't have the value that the others have. I did pay a reasonable market price that is on the upper end of the Slingerland price chart. Understandable because I got a complete kit You get what you pay for.
The lower value of vintage Slingerland's is what gives you the window to modify them.
It would be crazy to modify a Gretsch because of the high value. Modifying a Slingerland kit will not lower its value.

After long thought I have decided to do a DW Jazz Series build out on this kit.
It will include a DW bass drum lifter.
A DW Rail Consolette with a 12.7mm mounting rod.
Ludwig Atlas 12.7mm tom isolation mount.
Two DW bass drum mounted long cymbal holders.
Gibraltar folding bass drum spurs
Gibraltar 10'5mm floor tom legs and mounts with memory locks.







This will make the kit adhere to my needs.

Great way to ruin an intact completely original kit. It's yours to do what you wasn't with although it's too bad the kit isn't going to someone who would appreciate the true value it has.

harryconway 10-05-2013 05:26 PM

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Sounds like a really great score ..... but man oh man oh man, where are the pictures ?

bobdadruma 10-05-2013 09:19 PM

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Pictures-------------------
Im off to buy some paint for the BD hoops. :)

dave danger 10-05-2013 09:25 PM

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sorry here is the pic of the kit

larryace 10-05-2013 09:38 PM

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The kit looks cherry Bob. Nice score.

Dave you're confusing everyone! Start your own thread!

harryconway 10-05-2013 10:39 PM

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Sweet. Nice pics. Here's a 18, 12, 13, 14, and snare, for $1999.00 http://www.ebay.com/itm/SLINGERLAND-...item2a310e5439

criz p. critter 10-05-2013 11:40 PM

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I agree with everyone else: Gorgeous kit, great find in that condition. But I shudder when I imagine the sound of that drill...

bobdadruma 10-06-2013 12:23 AM

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It is OK for Old to Meet New!
Automotive Hot Rodder's do it all the time.
They take a car or truck body from the past and they add new things to it.
It is a good thing when this is done correctly.
What I am doing is building the modern jazz kit that John Good and the DW team tried to build.
I am marrying vintage drums to modern hardware in a way that will be positive!

I like the concept of cymbals that are suspended over the bass drum, but I don't like cymbal holders that slip and don't have memory locks.
I like Rail Consolette tom mounting, but I don't like drums that are choked by not having an isolation mount and I hate it when my tom wobbles while I am playing it.
I want strong floor tom legs with memory locks.
I like a bass drum lifter that becomes part of the drum and does not clamp to the hoop.
I also carved out the hoop so that the pedalboard can pass through when the BD lift is installed.

I don't want a museum piece!
That is not my goal with these drums.
I already have museum pieces.
I want a kit that I will enjoy because I have experienced both vintage kits, and modern improvements in hardware.
I want a kit that incorporates the things that I like the most.
That is what I am putting together here.
I am making something for myself, and I am sharing myself with you.
These drums sat for over 40 years with no one playing them, I am going to play them everyday and I am going to love them.
In other words; Relax, I know What I Am Doing! :)

larryace 10-06-2013 12:41 AM

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What is it that Steve says? Friends don't let friends drill drums. But I'm with you Bob. They are yours to do with what you will. They will still retain the tone.

slingerlandfreak 10-06-2013 12:54 AM

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Congratulation Bob on a beautiful Slingerland kit..... i know you will find the good way to modify this kit.If you are doing all this then i would look for the bearing edges if they should eventualy be revitalized ,,,just my 2 cents cheers

harryconway 10-06-2013 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1186461)
It is OK for Old to Meet New!
Automotive Hot Rodder's do it all the time.

And I agree. Now, if this kit was the 18, 12, 14 Gretsch Round Badge that just went for $11K+, probably you would not be doing the mods. Your cash, your drums, your happiness.

bobdadruma 10-06-2013 01:23 AM

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Wow even my friend slingerlandfreak came out for this one!
Funny that you should mention edges. I Flat Tabled the drums today and I used a feeler gauge to measure the edges. The worst drum is the 12" tom which is .015" out at a point on the reso side. All other edges are much better than that.
That is down right perfection for vintage drums. No problems with bearing edges here.
This kit is a good puppy :)
I can deal with the imperfections.

Larry and Harry, You guys have my back :)

opentune 10-06-2013 03:58 AM

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whoa awesome? black diamond pearl. my fave. nice purchase.

drumhead61 10-06-2013 08:13 AM

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Hey Bob as I said on FB that kit is gorgeous thanks for the heads up of this thread I see the last TIME I signed in to this wonderful forum was almost a year ago!!! Love the kit my friend

keep it simple 10-06-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1186461)
I am marrying vintage drums to modern hardware in a way that will be positive!

Sounds like a plan to me Bob :) Take good shells - add hardware that actually works = a happy drummer :)

I'm liking the finish too. Bold & screaming it's era. What's the staining on the mounted tom bearing edge Bob?

BacteriumFendYoke 10-06-2013 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dave danger (Post 1186403)
sorry here is the pic of the kit

Second time. Start your own thread. It's bad form to hijack another.

bobdadruma 10-06-2013 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 1186589)

What's the staining on the mounted tom bearing edge Bob?

Thanks Andy,
The dark on the shell appears to be from the glue that was used to hold the wrap. It is sanded off where head meets edge.
Vintage drums were not made to the standards of today.
The left spur mount was mounted 3/8" lower on the shell than the right one.
I took off the factory high tom mount and there is a 1/2 inch hole drilled right in the center of the bolt pattern for the mount???
This is what you frequently find on old drums.
I will make an insert to turn the hole into a vent because there is no vent.
I plugged the small holes for the mount with black plastic automotive body fasteners.
You hardly notice them against the Black wrap.

Thanks opentune

Thanks Jim, good to see you here.

BacteriumFendYoke 10-06-2013 05:33 PM

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In my haste to beat down another poster (sorry, that was a little aggressive) I forgot to congratulate you, Bob!

Lovely kit. Is the 18" bass drum hard to come by? I don't see too many vintage 18"s, although admittedly my knowledge only really stretches to Gretsch and I know very little about Slingerland drums. It's a great size to have.

It looks like the kit is in really good condition. Nice find.

bobdadruma 10-06-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BacteriumFendYoke (Post 1186633)

Lovely kit. Is the 18" bass drum hard to come by? I don't see too many vintage 18"s,

Thanks, and yes it is. Most Jazz kits back then were 20". 18" BD's are not super rare, but they are scarce.
Slingerland drums are in the same league as Gretsch, Rogers, and Ludwig.
Slingerland was on top during the 30's and 40's and they held their own during the 50's, but for some reason Slingerland lost out in the 60's. They didn't get big star endorsers and they slowly withered away during the 70's.
It is a somewhat sad tale.

I repainted the hoops in black lacquer today and I glued a loose wrap seam on the 12" tom.
I am waiting for goodies that I ordered to begin arriving next week.

bobdadruma 10-06-2013 09:09 PM

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Hoops are finished :) That was a fun project! I masked off the inlay and I fine sanded them before spraying them with black lacquer.
Because I am to use a bass drum lifter, I also carved a crescent out at the bottom of what is to be the batter hoop. This is for the bass pedal footboard to pass through.
Drum Workshop does this on their Jazz Series kits.
If you look at the bottom of the left hoop you can see the crescent shaped cutout.

As per slingerlandfreak's advice, I flat table sanded the bearing edges on all of the drums today, then I fine sanded them by hand until they are as perfect as I can make them.
See Andy, no more discoloration on the high tom.

keep it simple 10-07-2013 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1186719)

See Andy, no more discoloration on the high tom.

Nice work Bob, & the hoops look great :) What flat surface did you use to sand the bearing edges?

double_G 10-07-2013 03:12 PM

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just beautiful. whadda find ! hoops look great & how do they sound (tuned up yet) ? more pics when you get them headed ? thx for all the updates.

bobdadruma 10-08-2013 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 1186949)
Nice work Bob, & the hoops look great :)
What flat surface did you use to sand the bearing edges?

Thanks Andy, I took the drums to a friends machine shop.
I stuck sand paper on a flat steel table that is used for detecting warpage in machine parts.
I twist sanded each drum until true.
I made a pencil mark around the edges of each drum. When the pencil mark disappeared from twist sanding, I fine sanded with a sponge type sanding block.
My bearing edges are smoother than the heads that will lie on them :)
Old wood sands really well because the grain doesn't lift up like newly worked wood.

Thanks double_g :) I have never played them yet. They haven't been played in about 40 years.

I should have them up and going by the end of the week.

keep it simple 10-08-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1187242)
Thanks Andy, I took the drums to a friends machine shop.
I stuck sand paper on a flat steel table that is used for detecting warpage in machine parts.
I twist sanded each drum until true.
I made a pencil mark around the edges of each drum. When the pencil mark disappeared from twist sanding, I fine sanded with a sponge type sanding block.
My bearing edges are smoother than the heads that will lie on them :)
Old wood sands really well because the grain doesn't lift up like newly worked wood.

That's the way to do it Bob. If you have a good judge of pressure / good hand skills, plus a good eye, that's an entirely valid method, & in many ways, preferable to re-cutting edges. Unless there's huge valleys, etc, a sensitive dressing of the edges is always the way to go.

As a final check, did you put the shells back on the surface & pop a light inside the shell? Just curious, as I know you're a practically minded chap :)

bobdadruma 10-08-2013 12:40 PM

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Hmmm, recheck the edges after sanding... I never thought of that Andy :)
The edges were in 1965 Slingerland factory condition when I received the drums so there were no major flaws.
They were mainly dirty and there was some wrap glue on them in some areas.
If would have been foolish to do a total recut.

IDDrummer 10-08-2013 03:31 PM

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Sweet kit! I love that color.

double_G 10-08-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1187242)
I have never played them yet. They haven't been played in about 40 years.

40 years ? wow. something about that stirs the imagination. i am picturing an epic "raiders of the lost ark" movie scene. SET and ACTION:

early one morning, you innocently hit the rack tom & this LOUD godlike tone comes out without warning...40-year-old dust blasts out of the air vent...the tone WON'T stop (!)...the windows shatter...the tone continues as you frantically cover your ears & start yelling...birds & squirrels are screeching & scattering outside like crazy. that big ass oak tree releases all it's nuts at once. finally this heroic tom tone starts fading & stops singing. dust is still in the air, books are continuing to fall off shelves & one last dish smashes on the kitchen floor. outside, the clouds suddenly part & a single beam of sun shines on the Slingerland kit. coincidence ? i think not. :D

keep it simple 10-08-2013 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1187348)
Hmmm, recheck the edges after sanding... I never thought of that Andy :)
The edges were in 1965 Slingerland factory condition when I received the drums so there were no major flaws.
They were mainly dirty and there was some wrap glue on them in some areas.
If would have been foolish to do a total recut.

I know you checked them, you pedantic old bugger, I was just curious as to how ;) ;) ;)

You're dead on about the recut. On older shells, especially on single ply shells, deeply recutting an edge can release all manner of stresses, & that may have serious implications for the shell's form. If it's not f(*^((* don't fix it.

bobdadruma 10-09-2013 03:39 AM

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I know guys, this is so cool, the suspense is killing me too!
I bought a 40+ year old kit that neither I, nor anyone else has played in decades.
I brought it home, I ordered a whole bunch of stuff for it purely on speculation. I have to make it work or I will be a complete loser :)
I guess that there is a fine line between Einstein, and an Idiot!

Tonight I mounted the DW Rail Consolette, The Ludwig Atlas Isolation Tom Mount, and the DW Bass Drum Lifter. Everything went well with no issues.
I am expecting more bits to be delivered tomorrow. I have band practice tomorrow night so I will not have time to do anything to the project kit. It appears that Thursday night will be the next work night on, "Ye Ole 65".

Meanwhile back at the ranch, I am dealing with craigslist morons who want to buy my stunning Mapex Saturn Mahattan Jazz kit for almost nothing :)
That is not going to happen!

camcoman 10-09-2013 10:02 PM

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Saw this the other day, didn't have a chance to log in and comment. (S)he's / it's a beauty I don't have a issues with your mods, much of the 60's hardware left a fair amount to be desired. None the less that is a sweet score. Looking forward to pics and sounds.

Bart Hodge 10-09-2013 10:12 PM

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My Slingerlands (March 1966) had badges on the toms.

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Originally Posted by eamesuser (Post 1186321)
I think that Sling did not put badges on toms in the 60's.yours are from the right time period for that.



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