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Sticktrick 08-02-2005 12:06 PM

Manu Katche
 
Manu is a true Groovemaster - the things he plays live with Peter Gabriel are just SICK!!

He is a master of Off-Beat Fill-Ins - listen to "In your eyes" on PGs Live Recording "Secret World Live". This is one of the best live recordings of all times and well worth checking out.


I haven´t been a Manu Fan forever, actually when I first heard him play I didn´t like his style at all. Almost all the time he holds his Sticks reversed and plays very big drumsizes he is also a quite busy drummer...

But the second look just blew me. Just so much musical taste and such a deep Groove - when I listen to him I always think: "F*** all that technichal stuff that people like Lang or Minnemann do - Manu plays the way it is ment to be!" He truly got me away from the flashy superdrummers that have great technique but nothing to say musically.

BUT I STILL LOVE STICKTRICKS!!! HAHAHA


http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Manu_Katche.html

DR.WHOO 08-02-2005 12:18 PM

Re: Manu Katche
 
Love manu with gabriel and in all gigs he does
The only thing is i can't stand him with sting...dunno why but don't like it

sorry don't hate me


T

finnhiggins 08-02-2005 12:20 PM

Re: Manu Katche
 
Manu Katche has played my drum kit.

Alright!

Sticktrick 08-02-2005 06:58 PM

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I also don´t dig Manu with Sting that much - Vinnie has done that job so good, it was a perfect fit. Anyway, I prefer Peter Gabriels music and don´t care that much for Sting. i think what he did with the police was great, most things that happend afterwards I think are not that good. Now please don´t slay me for this - Its just an opinion and I know his music pretty well (I got all his records).

Funkdaddy 08-03-2005 01:57 PM

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Yeah, I dig Manu. Check out his recording (maybe there are more) with Joe Satriani. And yes, I agree to that I didn't like his drum/cymbal sound at first, but now I love it. It's so dirty and powerfull.

ChrisD 08-11-2005 06:10 PM

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I just bought "Nothing like the sun" to complete my Sting collection and so far I think it is Stins best drumming album although Summoners tales has some good spots as well.

studentofrhythm 08-12-2005 09:50 PM

Re: Manu Katche
 
Quote:

But the second look just blew me. Just so much musical taste and such a deep Groove - when I listen to him I always think: "F*** all that technichal stuff that people like Lang or Minnemann do - Manu plays the way it is ment to be!" He truly got me away from the flashy superdrummers that have great technique but nothing to say musically.
Amen to that! I just bought "Secret World Live" on DVD. Thrilling, inspiring drumming - the intuitiveness of it is what I like the most. I've wanted to emulate that intuitiveness that I see in his playing, in Bill Bruford's and Joey Baron's playing, ever since I realized I would never be able to be a serious competitor in the technique department.

Boubou 08-13-2005 12:04 PM

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Maybe I will astonish you (because i'm french like Manu), but Manu Katché was a groovemaster.
With Sting, Gabriel, he was wonderful. But since 1 or 2 year, he's making bad TV show, not like a drummers, but like a judge for a show who name "research for the new star" (it's a translate from the french title). And you can imagine that this program not shown good music....

But it's not the problem, Katché is free to make what he want .... And may be this behavior is usual in USA for great muician, I don't know....
The real problem is that since he make this TV Show, we not ear a great Katché's drumming. In France he play with his Jazz band, but.....it's tedious !!!

So, I hope it's a bad moment for him, and I hope he return to play with true musician, like Sting....

Sticktrick 08-19-2005 11:23 PM

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Oh... the TV Thing doesn´t sound good at all. Still everybody is free to do what he/she wants.

Different topic:
For anybody who is interested: I just transcribed some of Manus Playing on Secret World Live and made it a PDF File. It is the two Solobreaks on "Come Talk to me". Also some of the stuff he plays on "Across the River".

I will send it to everybody interested. Maybe I can send it to Bernhard, so he can put it on along with the educational stuff on the Website. It is truely great playing and worth to be checked out - it is also not that hard, so I guess many people can benefit from it.

Greets!

Sticktrick 08-19-2005 11:44 PM

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2 Attachment(s)
Ups...

Just found out that it´s possible to upload stuff directly. So here it is. Enjoy!


I love transcribing, so if you want more, let me know. Also, please comment on how you like it.

Boubou 08-20-2005 04:15 PM

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Quote:

Still everybody is free to do what he/she wants.
Yes. But infortunately, he make the wrong choice, (it's the opinion of a lot of french musicians, not only me), and you can ear it on his jazz show.

But like you say, everybody is free to make what he want.

Sticktrick 08-20-2005 06:01 PM

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I also agree on the point, that I would rather like to see him play with Gabriel or Sting than in the jury of some silly TV Show (which we also have in Germany, i guess you mean Pop Idol).

But man - what he played on Secret World live is absoultely timeless and fantastic. To me it is a Drumming monument. As sayed before - every time I listen to it I think:

YES!! THIS IS THE WAY DRUMS WERE MENT TO BE PLAYED!!!

It is so intuitiv and loud and rough and... I´m missing the words. Please check out the transcriptions I made and listen - you´ll see what I mean.

hik 09-20-2005 12:56 PM

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Just saw Peter Gabriel's Secret World Live DVD.
Amazing....

Also own PG's "So" and Joe Satriani's "Joe Satrani"
both great albums...

Can anyone recommend some other Manu Katche albums?

gerry 09-28-2005 12:47 AM

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The best Album to hear Manu's playing on is Joan Armatradings "Whats Inside" album.
The Drums and what he plays is just amazing... nothing wildly technical but just so innovative and tastefull..
His use of subtlety is truly inspiring and his Dark trashy Crashes in comparison with his bright Fast Splash accents has changed my veiws as far as choosing Cymbals is concerned..
He is a true individual and uses his Drums like an " Artists Palate"

Gerr

drummaman1 09-28-2005 04:25 PM

Re: Manu Katche
 
After listening to "Secret World" (will pick up DVD soon) and soon after "Soul Cages" I became a big-time Manu fan. When I found out he was again playing with Sting (in 2000, I believe) I was psyched.
I picked up the "Live at the Universal Amphiteatre" DVD and ...sadly, I've only watched it once since I bought it. Sting looks completely full of himself, more so than ever (and I love his music) and Manu looks like he'd rather...be on the French "Pop Idol" show!!! I was so dissapointed...his playing sounds...bored. The only time in the DVD that had any energy was when Manu came out front to do the French Rap in the song "Perfect Love...Gone Wrong". Other than that, I think the machine playing all the drum loops was having a better time on that stage than Manu. You can see it.
I certainly hope that Manu will start up some fresh funky drum stuff soon, so we can all copy what he's doing!!

superbatmat 09-29-2005 06:59 AM

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Hi everybody... I'm going to see Manu the 31of october with his new band called "tendance" !!! I'm very happy...

theduke86 09-29-2005 06:39 PM

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Manu is a great drummer. He also has a ton of chops to balance the groove, WAAY more than people give him credit for. Excellent player.

dchang0 10-21-2005 12:47 AM

Re: Other albums featuring Manu Katche
 
Here are a couple of albums featuring some super-tasty Manu grooves that only Manu can do:

Gloria Estefan - Unwrapped
Jan Garbarek - I Took Up the Runes, Twelve Moons, or In Praise of Dreams
Robbie Robertson - Robbie Robertson

The Gloria Estefan record is phenomenal, with almost every track featuring Manu at his best. Katche only gets to really rip on one or two tracks on the other albums, but they're good. You've got to listen to Robbie Robertson's track, "Somewhere Down the Crazy River," especially if you're a big fan of Peter Gabriel's "In Your Eyes."

And of course, Manu has a solo record and a couple of "drum clinic" type recordings produced by Zildjian that are jaw-droppingly good. "Sticks Around" is a five-track Zildjian CD, and there's a Zildjian-produced VHS video of Manu working on one of the tunes from his solo record that features Zildjian A Custom cymbals.

I have yet to find the Joan Armatrading disc, and I'm looking for a good transcription of the live version of "Red Rain" (Secret World Live) or the studio version of "In Your Eyes." If anybody knows where I can find these, please post it here--thanks!

CarterB_Junkie 10-21-2005 04:47 AM

Re: Other albums featuring Manu Katche
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dchang0
Here are a couple of albums featuring some super-tasty Manu grooves that only Manu can do:

Gloria Estefan - Unwrapped
Jan Garbarek - I Took Up the Runes, Twelve Moons, or In Praise of Dreams
Robbie Robertson - Robbie Robertson

The Gloria Estefan record is phenomenal, with almost every track featuring Manu at his best. Katche only gets to really rip on one or two tracks on the other albums, but they're good. You've got to listen to Robbie Robertson's track, "Somewhere Down the Crazy River," especially if you're a big fan of Peter Gabriel's "In Your Eyes."

And of course, Manu has a solo record and a couple of "drum clinic" type recordings produced by Zildjian that are jaw-droppingly good. "Sticks Around" is a five-track Zildjian CD, and there's a Zildjian-produced VHS video of Manu working on one of the tunes from his solo record that features Zildjian A Custom cymbals.


I have yet to find the Joan Armatrading disc, and I'm looking for a good transcription of the live version of "Red Rain" (Secret World Live) or the studio version of "In Your Eyes." If anybody knows where I can find these, please post it here--thanks!

Great suggestions ! I ll look into that !

There is a gem on Tears for Fears The Seeds of Love album with manu on it : Badman Song , one of the best drum track I have ever heard !
I saw a live version of that song on the knebworth concert and boy the guy who was drumming for the band a that time was billion kilometers away from Manu's studio version, I mean he was really struggling !

jonescrusher 10-22-2005 03:49 AM

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His playing on Joe Satriani's s/t album is killer

Womble 11-02-2005 01:02 PM

Re: Manu Katche
 
Thank you, Sticktrick, for the Secret World recommendation. I bought it just yesterday. I've been meaning to check out Peter Gabriel for a long time but somehow never got round to it; now I'm going to have to buy lots of albums - I love that DVD!! It's great to see someone perform who really cares about putting on a show. It's also great to see someone so uninhibited on stage. By that I mean someone who you could say is not a 'good' dancer, but sucks you in through sheer individuality and masses of charisma. I also loved the way he got his musicians to participate in his crazy dances: seeing Tony Levin hopping about the stage is a remarkable contrast to seeing him playing the Paul Simon gig, sitting down looking very serious and nodding his head a bit!

It's probably foolish to give my thoughts on Manu's playing now because no doubt they'll change in time, but just a couple of things did annoy me a bit. Firstly, the splashes. Now this is just a pet hate of mine, ever since I listened to a recording of me playing a big band concert at university and hearing myself hit my damn splash every couple of bars. I removed it from my kit after that, and 3 years later I've never felt like putting it back. I prefer them to be used sparingly and for effect, but Manu plays them all the time on this DVD. Anyhow, that's just my gut feeling. Secondly, he played that loose-8th-note-triplet type fill all the time...got on my nerves quite quickly. But apart from these two minor things, yeah it was great!

I googled the femal vocalist, Paula Cole. Apparently it was her song that was used as the Dawson's Creek theme. Hehe. I'm sure all the Americans know that but I'd never heard of her before.

Laurent 11-03-2005 10:02 AM

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I belong to those who never understood why Manu hit it big. I mean he's definitvely a very good drummer but I do not hear anything special in his playing. I quite like some of his work on Sting's live album but that's about it. I've seen him live in Montreux "opening" for Dave Weckl. Let's talk about separating the men from the boys. Manu looked bored even with his own band (Pino Palladino and Sting's guitar player Dominic Miller).

And yes, France's Pop Idol/Star or whatever sucks big time ! And Manu is the most critical of the four judges.... Still, I've watched it a few times and was wondering what Manu found in some of the candidates...

superbatmat 11-03-2005 01:27 PM

Re: Manu Katche
 
Hi eerybody...
I saw Manu last monday with his group called Tendance...
Manu is a uncredible drummer... Great touch, groove, and many other things that every drummer should have....

Ashbash 12-29-2005 09:20 AM

Re: Manu Katche
 
whoa...just listened to nothing like the sun again, and payed attention to the drummer
this guy is a funky munky beast!

Bobhead 03-14-2006 05:57 PM

Re: Manu Katche
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sticktrick
Ups...

Just found out that it´s possible to upload stuff directly. So here it is. Enjoy!


I love transcribing, so if you want more, let me know. Also, please comment on how you like it.

Sticktrick, great transcriptions. Yes, I'll take some more Manu notes if you have them. I've been listening to Sting's The Soul Cages and Manu really feels some of those slower floaty songs and plays some great fills.

shuffle 03-14-2006 07:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stu_Strib
This guy plays perfectly for the music. He is the perfect drummer that never calls attention to himself unnecesarily!

So true. Other than the many examples of such good playing already mentionned in this thread, I could add the work he's done with Francis Cabrel. Great great latin rhythms, on quiet songs which could have been easily ruined with out-of-place drumming.

Sticktrick 03-15-2006 10:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crazy
To me he sounds like a music store drummer more than a pro.

WOW! This statement is now in my top 5 of the dumbest ones I ever read here on Drummerworld!

Well, how about this: If he really was playing like a music store drummer, how exactly do you think he made it onto one stage with Sting or PG?? Are you saying that these two guys are so untalented and unaware of what their Drummer is doing that they just didn´t realize that the guy couldn´t play??

Hmmmm... I guess that you must be such a great musician that you never listen to such untalented people like Sting or PG because their music isn´t rather special, is it?

Next time you post don`t forget that you are posting something on the most famous drumming board on the Net. Some of the guys that we are talking about here actually do read this and answer to some posts. If I was Manu and had to read your stupid statement, I´d be really annyoed by the fact that some punk who doesn´t know anything about me posts such bs. Well - as far as I know Manu, he probably wouldn`t care a bit.

Stu_Strib 03-15-2006 11:13 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sticktrick
WOW! Well - as far as I know Manu, he probably wouldn`t care a bit.


Manu is such an unasuming player...he "get's it". These other guys just don't get it. No mask, no tatooes, no obnoxious behavior, no flashy kit, just solid drumming and expert musicianship. He is a musician's musician.

A lot of people have a "quiet confidence" about them, because they can play, and their reputation gets them the good gigs. Professionalism goes a long way in many musical circles. It has worked for me for several years now (although I'm by no means quiet on here, I am in person).

Sticktrick 03-15-2006 11:39 AM

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That is so true...

I shouldn`t bother so much about these kind of statements....

You`re right: Manu gets it and some others just don´t get it. As long as people like Sting and PG realize who "gets it", the right people will be on gigs and thats cool. Getting gigs is not about beeing the drumming super hero, but about beeing a good musician on the drums.

And thats just what Manu is. Thats the reason he worked for so many great artists.

NouveauCliche 03-15-2006 11:43 AM

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Manu's a heck of a player.

I think his biggest strength really lies in his subtlies....he's not the type of player that just OVERWHELMS with you some crazy chops out fusion lick. I find that with his best stuff....it's little hits he makes with the band, or perfectly time ride cymbal bell parts that you might even miss the first time you hear the song...but you probably feel it. Then when you go back and listen to it you're like "Whoa..that was totally killer"

I really dig his playing for sure, he really is a painter.

The Messiah 03-17-2006 05:08 AM

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Some of his playing I really like is on Tracy Chapman's Matters of the heart. Really tasty pocket, innovative playing and a killer drum sound. His splash work is top notch, what i've noticed he does quite a lot is end his fills on a splash, it's a great effect.

peace.

Sticktrick 03-26-2006 10:51 PM

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I don't care, what Marvin says about Sting. Marvin is a great player and I'm sure he has his reasons for saying this. Read the Miles Davis Autobio - he says the same thing - its a fact that Sting was always going for the best musicians out there. If I had the money he has and wanted my music to be played right, I'd do that too.

So what?? I don`t get it.

If Sting was trying to get the best musicians out there to polish up his ego, what does that say about Manu??

...


That he is a great player, right?

finnhiggins 03-26-2006 10:57 PM

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If I had the money Sting has I'd be out there trying to hire all the best players too. It's a good thing that people like him still exist, there are mighty few bands that a musician can actually aspire to play in these days. I felt good seeing Josh Freese on stage with Sting at Live 8, it must have felt great for Josh knowing he was sitting in a seat previously occupied by Stewart Copeland, Omar Hakim, Manu Katche, Vinnie Colaiuta and more. And you can be very sure he got paid well for it.

What exactly is the problem again?

Sticktrick 03-27-2006 04:10 PM

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The point was that Manu sounded great with Sting and Peter Gabriel and that as soon as he starts playing, I have to smile and feel really good.

:)

The problem was, that Sting was said to be hiring musicians to polish up his ego and that Manu was sounding like a music store drummer and..... hey, you know what: I listen to the live version of "in your eyes" again and leave this discussion because there really is no point to if. I love his style, others might not which is basically their problem (if it is a problem for them).

stagecustom 09-24-2006 09:08 AM

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I totally love this guy and if anybody can give me a list of songs he has done with sting and peter gabriel that you recomend i should listen to please list them, or better yet give me the title of all the albums that have great drumming by Manu.... I am really inspired... I wanna see some videos of him know where i can get any?

Skitch 10-14-2006 08:27 AM

Re: Manu Katche
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drummaman1
After listening to "Secret World" (will pick up DVD soon) and soon after "Soul Cages" I became a big-time Manu fan. When I found out he was again playing with Sting (in 2000, I believe) I was psyched.
I picked up the "Live at the Universal Amphiteatre" DVD and ...sadly, I've only watched it once since I bought it. Sting looks completely full of himself, more so than ever (and I love his music) and Manu looks like he'd rather...be on the French "Pop Idol" show!!! I was so dissapointed...his playing sounds...bored. The only time in the DVD that had any energy was when Manu came out front to do the French Rap in the song "Perfect Love...Gone Wrong". Other than that, I think the machine playing all the drum loops was having a better time on that stage than Manu. You can see it.
I certainly hope that Manu will start up some fresh funky drum stuff soon, so we can all copy what he's doing!!

I saw this show at Mesa Del Sol in Albuquerque and Johnny Lang mopped the stage with Sting and his band. I was extremely disappointed since it was the first time I had seen Sting live and had to drive eight hours each way to see the show. OKC wasn't on his tour schedule. I am a both, a big Sting fan (as well as Peter Gabriel) and a Manu Katche fan. As far as more Manu tracks, you might try Joni Mitchell's Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm disc and I think that Manu played on a Robbie Robertson album. Manu changed the way I play drums.


Mike

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Skitch 10-14-2006 08:30 AM

Re: Manu Katche
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sticktrick
Ups...

Just found out that it´s possible to upload stuff directly. So here it is. Enjoy!


I love transcribing, so if you want more, let me know. Also, please comment on how you like it.

Thanks!!!


Mike

http://www.mikemccraw.com
http://www.dominoretroplate.com


http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=drummermikemccraw

Bernhard 10-25-2006 12:42 PM

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Just added a great Drumsolo-Video - from Burghausen Jazzfestival 2006 - provided by our forummember Tom Gadd...thanks Tom!!!

http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Manu_Katche.html

Enjoy

Bernhard

shuffle 10-25-2006 03:22 PM

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Awesome solo. So much finesse, such a nice cymbal work. Such great use of dynamics. A masterpiece. And I don't usually enjoy solos very much.

The minute or so of playing with the band before the solo is just as great.

What a fantastic player.

meandhimcallitus 10-26-2006 02:43 AM

Re: Manu Katche
 
This was one of the first drummers I was turned onto even before I began drumming.(Thanks Dad)
And wow, what a heck of a player his solid, grooves, and tasteful.
I was blown away then and am still blown away.
As said before, he his a musicians musician.


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