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Hansolo 08-09-2013 07:14 AM

Yamaha Multipad revised
 
If you're considering a compact e-kit or want to expand your acoustic and electronic kits, you may be interested in some improvements I've made to the versatile DTX Multi-12 multipad. I was unimpressed with it initially but after reading the manual and making changes to the pad layouts, voices and trigger levels I was surprised by it's potential. I've been fine tuning mine for a while, to have more convenient selection of kits and make the 'standard' drum kits sound more playable using only the voices provided (no extra wave files). One of the most useful features is that each pad has 4 layers to allow mixing of samples with individual control of their tuning, volume and other parameters to create a better range of sounds - especially for the snares and cymbals. The kits are configured for the hihat pads to work with a HH65 or RHH135 controller and the kicks (or patterns) can be triggered from a foot pedal (eg Roland FD-8) or via pad input 14. I'm also using a Roland PDX-8 dual trigger pad for a snare drum.

Here are some of the mods I've done and suggestions for Yamaha to make the next version of the Multi-12 a more useful percussion unit:

Current improvements:
- Rearranged kit pads/voices for a more conventional drum kit layout to make them easier to play.
- More useful mixes of snare, tom, kick and cymbal sounds as some of the original standard drum kits sound 'unusual or unusable'.
- Regrouped User kits for more convenient switching combinations of acoustic and electronic sounding kits.
- Wider range of pad sensitivity for stick and hand playing with progressive input gain settings from 15 to 60. Default Startup Trg (U07) is set for good pad response with fairly mild stick playing (Input Gain=45).
- Added Yamaha optional kits (5 electronic and 4 acoustic) - their wave files are available from Dropbox.
- Extra internal GM/melodic kits plus midi control of external synthesizer sounds (work in progress).

Future improvements:
- Kit editor to simplify changing pad/voice settings with less menu navigation.
- Increase wave memory size from 64MB to at least 2GB (similar to Roland's SPD-SX)
- Front panel control of multi-effects (similar to Roland's SPD-SX)
- Add a kit chain function for easier kit order selection (similar to Roland's SPD-SX)

You can download my data and info files of the revised Multi-12 kits (as a freebie) from Dropbox with this link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bx1wtmiud6ww96c/2uNYI2kb1d

Let us know of any other ideas to improve the Multi-12 and (if you have access to one) what you think of the revised kits - have fun with them.

thebarak 08-09-2013 05:25 PM

Re: Yamaha multipad revised
 
It would be nice to see a video demo of this customised Multi-12. Yamaha really should make a nice one-piece for drummers only, with all the nice sampled kits from the 700 and 900 modules, and they could give us the TCS surface too. I think it would sell well.

Defender 08-10-2013 12:24 AM

Re: Yamaha multipad revised
 
Oh my.. TCS on a multi-12? I'd seriously consider buying one if they left the price alone where it is.

DTX Product Specialist 08-10-2013 09:09 AM

Re: Yamaha multipad revised
 
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Originally Posted by Hansolo (Post 1169005)
If you're considering a compact e-kit or want to expand your acoustic and electronic kits, you may be interested in some improvements I've made to the versatile DTX Multi-12 multipad. I was unimpressed with it initially but after reading the manual and making changes to the pad layouts, voices and trigger levels I was surprised by it's potential. I've been fine tuning mine for a while, to have more convenient selection of kits and make the 'standard' drum kits sound more playable using only the voices provided (no extra wave files). One of the most useful features is that each pad has 4 layers to allow mixing of samples with individual control of their tuning, volume and other parameters to create a better range of sounds - especially for the snares and cymbals. The kits are configured for the hihat pads to work with a HH65 or RHH135 controller and the kicks (or patterns) can be triggered from a foot pedal (eg Roland FD-8) or via pad input 14. I'm also using a Roland PDX-8 dual trigger pad for a snare drum.

Here are some of the mods I've done and suggestions for Yamaha to make the next version of the Multi-12 a more useful percussion unit:

Current improvements:
- Rearranged kit pads/voices for a more conventional drum kit layout to make them easier to play.
- More useful mixes of snare, tom, kick and cymbal sounds as some of the original standard drum kits sound 'unusual or unusable'.
- Regrouped User kits for more convenient switching combinations of acoustic and electronic sounding kits.
- Wider range of pad sensitivity for stick and hand playing with progressive input gain settings from 15 to 60. Default Startup Trg (U07) is set for good pad response with fairly mild stick playing (Input Gain=45).
- Added Yamaha optional kits (5 electronic and 4 acoustic) - their wave files are available from Dropbox.
- Extra internal GM/melodic kits plus midi control of external synthesizer sounds (work in progress).

Future improvements:
- Kit editor to simplify changing pad/voice settings with less menu navigation.
- Increase wave memory size from 64MB to at least 2GB (similar to Roland's SPD-SX)
- Front panel control of multi-effects (similar to Roland's SPD-SX)
- Add a kit chain function for easier kit order selection (similar to Roland's SPD-SX)

You can download my data and info files of the revised Multi-12 kits (as a freebie) from Dropbox with this link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bx1wtmiud6ww96c/2uNYI2kb1d

Let us know of any other ideas to improve the Multi-12 and (if you have access to one) what you think of the revised kits - have fun with them.

Hi Hansolo,

Do you have notes on the mappings you've created and thanks creating these files. I'll attach a Trigger Setting guide and file that was created to increase center section's pad sensitivity.

Let me know if this helps,

DTX Product Specialist

Hansolo 08-12-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thebarak (Post 1169066)
It would be nice to see a video demo of this customised Multi-12. Yamaha really should make a nice one-piece for drummers only, with all the nice sampled kits from the 700 and 900 modules, and they could give us the TCS surface too. I think it would sell well.

Here's a pic of my dual Multi-12 setup and I'll include an mp3 file of some kits in a later post about the versatile Korg Pandora-Mini effects unit mounted on the stand.
Yamaha probably don't want the Multi-12's 'standard' drum kits competing with their DTX900/700/500 series, but I think acoustic or electronic drummers would consider adding an M-12 to their rig if the kits sound better.
FYI - ex-Roland developer Steven Fisher has joined the Yamaha team and it'll be interesting to see how the DTX products develop

Hansolo 08-12-2013 03:25 PM

Re: Yamaha multipad revised
 
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Originally Posted by DTX Product Specialist (Post 1169327)
Hi Hansolo,

Do you have notes on the mappings you've created and thanks creating these files. I'll attach a Trigger Setting guide and file that was created to increase center section's pad sensitivity.

Let me know if this helps,

DTX Product Specialist

Thanks for your info DTX P/S. I tried your trigger settings file and was surprised by the good pad response with the Hard2 velocity curve - I just increased all the pad input gains to 30 as there were no crosstalk issues even at higher gain levels.
I haven't documented my pad voice configs in any detail as they are a 'work in progress' but here is the revised pad layout for easier playing of the more standard kits with sticks or hands: Pad1- Snare Cl/Rim, Pad2- Cymbal, Pad3- Cymbal(Cmb), Pads4-6 Toms, Pad7- Snare, Pad8- Op/Hihat, Pad9- Kick1, Pad10- Snare Op/rim, Pad11- Cymbal or Cl/Hihat, Pad12- Cymbal(Cmb) or Kick2 - I assumed a hihat pedal would be used by most for the Cl/Hihat sound but it can be simply added to pad11 instead.
Maybe John Melas (http://www.jmelas.gr/dtx/products.php) could produce a Multi-12 editor similar to the one he did for the DTX700 so the settings could be reviewed and modified more easily.

thebarak 08-13-2013 02:55 AM

Re: Yamaha Multipad revised
 
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Originally Posted by Hansolo (Post 1169850)
Here's a pic of my dual Multi-12 setup ......


Nice 24 pad and 2 kick setup. Almost like a Yamaha TrapKAT.

Hansolo 08-13-2013 03:21 PM

Re: Yamaha Multipad revised
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thebarak (Post 1170055)
Nice 24 pad and 2 kick setup. Almost like a Yamaha TrapKAT.

Thanks Barak,
There are also extra pad inputs (1-3zone & 2-dual) on each M12 module if required, so that could just trump the TrapKAT.
One of the Multi-12s could be replaced with a SPD-SX for a more versatile hybrid.
I've also had a Korg X50 keyboard mounted on top and it's sturdy enough.

Hansolo 08-16-2013 01:05 PM

Re: Yamaha Multipad revised
 
I've added a Korg Pandora Mini effects processor to my Multi 12's output which improves the dynamics of the drum sounds. The revised effects settings (without distortion) are saved in the 200 User programs (0 to 199) with original guitar effects stored in Preset programs (200 to 399). It's easy to switch between custom effects on 4 panel buttons or a value dial and there is an editor to help modify the 200 user programs. I've recorded an mp3 demo of 4 effects that I prefer (assigned to the panel buttons) and have applied them to 11 of the Multi-12 drum kits in the following order: Cocktail, Hipgig, Oak Custom, Hard Rock, E-Gate, NuRezo, E-Trad, Electro, Ragga Guy, 80s Electro and Dim RnB. To get a comparison of each kit with and without the effects, I switched them in this sequence: effects bypass, Rock(121), Oye Como(79), Soulsister(25), Paraliz(169), Rock(121) and effects bypass.
The modified User programs and mp3 files (plus owners manuals) are available from Dropbox with this link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lz0sdoqez46r8io/WOQqueK7RI
Korg's (free) editor is required to transfer the downloaded Pandora-Mini User Programs1.pxm file to the module. I've included the Pandora PX5D manual only for extra info about the effects.
The Pandora Mini module is excellent value at $A130 and well worth adding to any edrum setup - it's a simple way to expand your available kit sounds.


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