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BumSkillet 06-18-2013 07:45 PM

One or two favorite sticks?
 
I just got an order of a Promark SD9 maple wood tip and a Vater Sugar Maple blazer. I also own a few other sticks including 5A and B. I bought these sticks mainly to try my first maples and to try to find my own personal favorite stick that I like the best. I like the feel of the Promark but the blazer feels heavier than I imagined. Although this is just one downside, the blazer feels good in all other aspects. I then thought to myself "Maybe I don't need just one pair of sticks that I like, maybe I can have several pairs to play with according to what music I'm playing." Now I want to ask you what you think of that. Should you have one main stick to resort to or should you have several varieties of sticks to play with? One brand, or a few?

opentune 06-18-2013 07:55 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
You 'should' do whatever works or feels best for you.
I have about 4 preferred stick brands/sizes, depending on the kind of music I'm playing (light vs heavy) or simply how I feel that day.

I vary between Vater Stewart Copelands; Vater Manhattans; Vic Firth 5A or 8D, or Promark 5A.

Winston_Wolf 06-18-2013 08:16 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I use the Blazer, and SD9's from Vater, Vic Firth, and Pro Mark. They're all essentially the same stick, but as you already noticed, they all feel (and weigh) different. For me some days (or certain songs) benefit from a heavier or lighter stick, but I get the consistency of the general size of the stick staying constant. For me, that works really well.

Zickos 06-18-2013 08:23 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I like two sticks the best, one in each hand.

brady 06-18-2013 08:39 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
You should use however many sticks you think you need.

I use about 3 different sticks depending on the situation. I even have a 'heavy' and 'light' set of brushes.

mandrew 06-19-2013 03:17 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I play mainly a concert snare, and for that I like VF SD1 and SD2 bolero sticks I also use VF 2Bs for practice and chop building, and have a couple of brushes for variety

con struct 06-19-2013 03:36 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Vic Firth 7A, 5A and 5B. With those three weights I could meet any situation.

Red Menace 06-19-2013 03:48 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I use 2 types of sticks. Of course excluding things like rods, brushes and mallets. I use a pink Vic Firth 5A for gigs and a 8DN for practices and quieter gigs. I prefer the nylon tip because it last longer hence the wood tip for live gigs.

Drumolator 06-19-2013 03:39 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
For the past several years I mostly used the Vater 5A, Vater H220,and Vic Firth 55A. I also have a couple of pairs of 7A's for situations in which I must play softly. Peace and goodwill.

rudylete 06-28-2013 11:18 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I've always use Vic Firth's 5B or 5A until recently when I tried Danny Carey's and Gavin Harrison's Signature Sticks. I reeeeally loved the long reach and was surprised by the great balance they have for such big sticks.

razerdrummer427 07-26-2013 09:24 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I started using Vater Chad Smith Signatures and that's where I'm staying lol. I just love the feel of them, they are the perfect stick for me :3

Midnite Zephyr 07-26-2013 10:37 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
The Aaron Spears signature model is now my favorite. I've always played nylon tips, but I got these wood tip sticks (10 pairs) on a really good deal. The blended tip works really well for me. I'm old school, but I'll play anything between a 5A and a 5B. I have a pair of wood tip 55A's that I use a lot too.

Ian Ballard 07-28-2013 07:25 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I've been in love with the Vic Firth 5B's since I began playing and haven't found one that works for me in so many different styles. I prefer a fatter stick but the taper and tip combine to make a very fast stick, making it the best of both worlds. The tip shape can draw incredible sounds out of an Old K ride but still has the meat to pull big sounds out of toms. I can use this thing for soft, smokey-club jazz or my rock band. I'm not one of those guys who uses different sticks. It just doesn't work for me. I gotta have one stick that does it all. I use the nylon model for heavier rock applications where I need tip durability. I use the wood tip for everything else. The Vinnie Colaiuta Zildjian stick would be my second choice but apparently he's with Vic Firth now, so maybe I'll have a few pairs of those badboys in my bag. They're basically a VC 5B with a fatter neck and about an 1/8" shorter.

larryace 07-28-2013 06:11 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I like the way Vic Firths are weighted. I prefer round tips too. I like the way round tips sound on my ride cymbal. So I go for VF AS 5B, or 5A. (The AS stands for "American Sound") I wish they would make them in nylon tips. I don't understand why they don't. I may have to experiment with dipping the tips in molten plastic. The only VF round nylon tips I could find were an Omar Hakim stick. But those sticks were too forward weighted for me. It was hard doing fast 8th notes with them. I like a more rear weighted stick. Vaters and Pro Marks are too heavy in front for me as well. I like the VF SD line of sticks, but they are made from maple, which is not durable enough and I crack them in a few gigs. I can get 6 months at least, probably more, from a pair of hickory sticks.

simmsdn 07-29-2013 05:57 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
1. Ahead 7A
2. Vater 5B
3. ProMark Neil Peart 747

I'm probably the only person who has played Ahead sticks since they came out by choice. I really appreciate them.

keepitgreen 07-29-2013 06:41 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1165285)
I like the way Vic Firths are weighted. I prefer round tips too. I like the way round tips sound on my ride cymbal. So I go for VF AS 5B, or 5A. (The AS stands for "American Sound") I wish they would make them in nylon tips. I don't understand why they don't. I may have to experiment with dipping the tips in molten plastic. The only VF round nylon tips I could find were an Omar Hakim stick. But those sticks were too forward weighted for me. It was hard doing fast 8th notes with them. I like a more rear weighted stick. Vaters and Pro Marks are too heavy in front for me as well. I like the VF SD line of sticks, but they are made from maple, which is not durable enough and I crack them in a few gigs. I can get 6 months at least, probably more, from a pair of hickory sticks.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who seems to make sticks last for months. I switch between Vater 5A and VF 5A (the Vater feels just a bit lighter, which helps when I'm either feeling sluggish or maybe when I need a boost for a particularly quick song), and I find these sticks last me easily three or four months.... I play an hour or two almost every day, and I just don't understand how people snap sticks so quickly.... Am I doing something wrong? ;)

I was talking with a drummer Saturday night, and after watching him go through THREE pairs of sticks (Promarks, not sure what model) during the night, I was shocked so I had to ask him. He said that's pretty common for him, he goes through them like toothpicks, two or three pairs every week or so of practice, and more when they play live. They're a pretty heavy rock band, but I was looking at his kit, expecting to see tons of cracked cymbals and mashed rims. But it all looked pretty normal. Even watching him play seemed pretty normal. Odd....

Ian Ballard 07-29-2013 07:40 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1165285)
I like the way Vic Firths are weighted. I prefer round tips too. I like the way round tips sound on my ride cymbal. So I go for VF AS 5B, or 5A. (The AS stands for "American Sound") I wish they would make them in nylon tips. I don't understand why they don't. I may have to experiment with dipping the tips in molten plastic. The only VF round nylon tips I could find were an Omar Hakim stick. But those sticks were too forward weighted for me. It was hard doing fast 8th notes with them. I like a more rear weighted stick. Vaters and Pro Marks are too heavy in front for me as well. I like the VF SD line of sticks, but they are made from maple, which is not durable enough and I crack them in a few gigs. I can get 6 months at least, probably more, from a pair of hickory sticks.

I've reached a point where I don't break sticks at all anymore and I usually toss them because the tip chips off and renders the stick a rebound-less mess. I avoided nylon tips for years because of the jazz snob in me but I realized that that superficial stubbornness is wasteful and costly, so I have half nylon and half wood since half my gigs are loud and the other half are not so much. Somehow the nylon tips almost make the stick faster and improve rebound... maybe it's just in my head. I agree with you on the balance thing. Vic Firth sticks are just masterpieces of stick design. I just can't find another brand that makes a stick that feels "right" in my hands.

masonni 07-29-2013 09:03 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Right now I have 3 models that I use for particular gigs.

All my drum kit playing is with Regal Tip 5BX wood tip.

When I gig with Street Drum Corps I use two models, depending on the part I play.
If I play the "Pit" parts I use Ahead M1's. It's SDC signature model. Big Fat Marching stick.
If I play the lead parts I use Ahead 5B. The reason being the lead parts are more 16th note stuff, and some of it is real fast. The "Pit" sections are more Kick & Snare sounding stuff.
The M1 provides a nice thump for that.

Road Bull 07-30-2013 05:02 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I used to play with Vic Firth METAL with nylon.
Then I switched to Vic Firth Rock both Nylon and wood tip depending on my mood.

LOL, Metal to Rock... I feel like Metallica or something. I am getting soft in my old age. The bell of my Ping ride is the stick breaker.

Dr_Watso 07-30-2013 05:07 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1165285)
I like the way Vic Firths are weighted. I prefer round tips too. I like the way round tips sound on my ride cymbal. So I go for VF AS 5B, or 5A. (The AS stands for "American Sound") I wish they would make them in nylon tips. I don't understand why they don't. I may have to experiment with dipping the tips in molten plastic. The only VF round nylon tips I could find were an Omar Hakim stick. But those sticks were too forward weighted for me. It was hard doing fast 8th notes with them. I like a more rear weighted stick. Vaters and Pro Marks are too heavy in front for me as well. I like the VF SD line of sticks, but they are made from maple, which is not durable enough and I crack them in a few gigs. I can get 6 months at least, probably more, from a pair of hickory sticks.

Hey, me too! I use the AS7A or AS5A most of the time these days. I love the way they sound for me, they sound the best on my drums.

Sometimes I go back to the old standard Promark 7a's but I'm quickly letting the AS series stick become the default. The way they are weighted feels like it might be "slower" but that's only until you hit real drums/cymbals with them. I can choke up a bit, which I never do on the promarks.

Lastly, I have a set of "ride sticks" because they sound really cool sometimes on the cymbals. Don't really like the weighting of them, but I'm sure that weight balance is part of the sound.

BertTheDrummer 07-30-2013 05:52 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Right now I've been using Regal Tip Jazz sticks with the nylon tip. I also have some Regal Tip 7a wood tips around as well.

savudin 07-30-2013 07:22 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Vic Firth Dave Weckl signature, suits me in almost every situation. The other pair would be X5A.

Beam Me Up Scotty 07-30-2013 08:57 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Pro-Mark Shira Kashi Oak 5A w/ nylon tip. That is my go-to stick for everything, however I keep a pair of Hot Rods in the stick bag as well for quieter gigs/jams. I also keep a well-used couple pairs of Pro-Mark Rock Knockers in both hickory and oak around; just some more options.

whiteknightx 07-30-2013 11:21 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I use promark 737's as my go to stick. Very light weight, so I can play faster with less work. When I need more volume, I switch to Los Cabos Jazz, which are much heavier. I really like barrel tips. But lately my promarks have been breaking a lot. They used to just wear away for me until there was no tip left. Now I've been breaking 1 every 3 or 4 hours of playing. I'm going to have to order a brick of them again soon.

gish 07-30-2013 01:04 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I use Vater 5A's and Vater Fusions the most these days. The Fusions are lightly thicker, but not a huge difference. I use an old Sabian 22" AA medium ride, and I use whichever stick sounds the best on my ride at whatever venue I'm playing at. I also sometimes go with the Manhattan 7A's for very small bar gigs. Nothing strange about having more than 1 favorite stick at all

Dirtysticks 08-09-2013 09:32 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I have several models from different brands that I go between depending what feel I want on a particular day.

Arky 08-09-2013 09:58 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Still digging the ProMark Todd Sucherman signature sticks (SD330W).
Perfect combination of diameter, weight, punch, rebound and overall feel for my hands.

They're much more 'agile' than e.g. the Vic Firth Thomas Lang sticks (super fat, quite heavy, too 'slow' overall) which I've been using for a few months when I started out (3 yrs ago). Also have the Vic Firth JoJo Mayer signatures - first thought they're too light but got used to those as an alternative stick, for practice variation. The other sticks that get some use are Vater Derek Roddy signatures - great punch/feel for 'power playing' but less 'finesse' for rudimentary stuff.

dmacc 08-09-2013 11:48 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I've spent a great deal of playing time with various Vic Firth sticks including the Erskine Ride Stick, Weckl Evolution, SD9's, SD10's & SD2's and after all these years I keep coming back to the SD4's (wood tip). For me they just feel right.

Souljacker 08-10-2013 01:18 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I'm using Vater 5Bs a lot of the time at the moment. I have all the variations (Regular, Nude, Sugar Maple) I was using the Sugar Maple for a while but it feels strange using it now compared to the more solid regular 5B.

Other sticks that get use are the Promark 5A (my favourite 5A, can't stand the Vater LA 5A, poor balance) Also the Omar Hakim Vic Firth signature and sometimes the Stewart Copeland Vater stick.

There's a fair few I want to try out still, always like trying new kinds. I like the sound of that Todd Sucherman stick Arky.

i_eat_everyday 08-10-2013 04:28 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Souljacker (Post 1169247)
I'm using Vater 5Bs a lot of the time at the moment.

+1. Perfect for me and almost identical to the Promark Benny Greb signatures. I find that natural hickory finishes feel the most, uh, natural and easiest to play with.

skod 08-10-2013 04:46 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by savudin (Post 1165859)
Vic Firth Dave Weckl signature, suits me in almost every situation.

Yup. Found these when they came out, and stopped looking at other sticks: they work for me at pretty much every dynamic level. I do carry Hot Rods for those super-quiet occasions, and Regal Tip Blasticks for edgier brush sounds- but my stick bag got a lot less complicated with the Weckls. They seem to last forever, as well.

Dirtysticks 08-17-2013 05:09 AM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Right now, I keep going back and forth between the Buddy Rich stick, The Tommy Igoe stick, and the Peter Erskine ride stick.

Yoshinya 08-17-2013 05:57 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
I've tried all sorts of different models from all of the major stick manufacturers and always seem to keep coming back to the Pro-Mark 747 hickory nylon tip model. However, I may have to make a switch soon, as they've changed the tip shape and the new nylon material is softer. Instead of it being a sort of shiny, glossy small oval, it's now more of a dull, matte elongated oval. Not a fan. The wood tips haven't seem to change (yet), so I may make a switch, even though I'll miss the ride cymbal articulation that the old-style nylon tips gave.

MileHighDrummer 01-12-2014 09:35 PM

Re: One or two favorite sticks?
 
Okay. Before there's any flaming or uncertain aspersions. :) Yes, I know this began mid last year. I, however, am resurrecting it because I think a lot of folk are interested in the stick question.

I have found after over 35 years as a musician/drummer that almost any 7A stick will perform. However I prefer Hickory and usually a Jazz stick. I am currently using a couple: Vic Firth Steve Jordan sig. sticks. Not because anyone's name is on them. Simply the profile and Pro-Mark Jazz Elvin Jones (both wood and nylon). I also find more difference in the cymbal response to a stick with the tip shape than whether it's nylon or wood. Big difference between oval/teardrop and barrel even more so than between nylon oval and wood oval.


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