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sillywabbit 06-10-2013 04:50 PM

g2/g1 combo
 
I have a yammie stage custom using g2 batters and g1 reso's. I'm not happy with the 16" floor tom not matter how i tune it. equal tension, hi/lower, low/higher, etc. I would prefer a quicker recovery as this reonates far to much. I'm using moongels on both heads.

Would changing my reso head to a g2, using g2 on both bottom and top, help alleviate this? Or can you recommend a head with quicker recovery to replace my g1?

I'm starting to think a 14" floor would be nice as well. Working my way around the toms, there is such a huge difference going from my 12" tom to the 16". It feels as though the 16" is out of place

Thank you

Jef SLDxBB 06-10-2013 05:21 PM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
I use evans EC2 on my toms, perfect for low tuning ant they almost don't resonate if that's what you're looking for.
But that's just how i like my drums for the style i play.

Drumolator 06-12-2013 04:15 PM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
Many drummers use the G2 /G1 combo and achieve good results. What you said about the difference between the 12" and 16 " toms may be true, although many drummers have the same sizes. When I played those sizes, I did not like it, so I went 13" and 16". My current set has 12" and 14". Good luck. Peace and goodwill.

topgun2021 06-12-2013 06:55 PM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
If you have an old head make your own dampening ring with it and place it on top of the resonant side.

EvansSpecialist 06-12-2013 07:25 PM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
You might consider using an EC Reso on the bottom of the floor tom or a thicker single-ply reso like a G12 or even G14. As mentioned above, the EC2 is a great option as well, but will cut down more on overtones than actual sustain.

savudin 06-24-2013 03:27 PM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
Well, I've been using this combo for a long time (g2 coated/g1 clear), but my problem is with 12" tom. Sometimes sounds kinda dull, especially hearing it in front of the drums. Got some recommendations? Should I go for G12 (GPlus)? Or clear version? Tom is 12"x9" 6ply maple. My 16"x16" is working great though.

AirborneSFC 06-24-2013 03:35 PM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
Sometimes I just throw a little piece of moongel as I use this combo also. Or I just break out the 14" floor tom.

Have you tried coated G2 over G1? You might get a warmer response and less overtones from the coated versions.

audiotech 06-25-2013 12:51 AM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by savudin (Post 1154515)
Well, I've been using this combo for a long time (g2 coated/g1 clear), but my problem is with 12" tom. Sometimes sounds kinda dull, especially hearing it in front of the drums. Got some recommendations? Should I go for G12 (GPlus)? Or clear version? Tom is 12"x9" 6ply maple. My 16"x16" is working great though.

You might have a bad head. I ran into quite a few (new) G2 clear and coated Evans heads that were dead. If the head is dead, it doesn't matter how good a drum tuner you are, it's just going to sound very lifeless in comparison to a head that was properly manufactured. I would give that 12" drum another chance by taking the tension down to nothing, re-seating the head and start the tensioning process again. I must have taken three or four heads back to the Five Star shop where I bought them and I have another two that has to go back.

Dennis

Sparkboss 06-30-2013 02:58 AM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
a g2/g2 may sound too dead (At least for me)

What i typically do is tune my reso head about 1/2 turn higher than however many turns i give my bater. But i'm looking for a good bit of a resonance.

you said you don't want much resonance, so try to tune it a full turn higher than your batter, that may give you a nice high pitched tom attack with not much sustain. Or tune lower, get a nice thump and still less resonance.

Tuning your toms correctly is a VERY tricky task, but once you finally get it right, make note of it and you'll have it forever

Good luck to you sir!

Edit: Also, don't subject yourself to one company. You can always try the Remo / Aquarian equivalent just to see how they sound for you. i know the g2/ g1 combo is the same as the emp / ambo combination, but some will swear by evans' setup, and others by Remo's

Florian 06-30-2013 09:24 AM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by topgun2021 (Post 1150157)
If you have an old head make your own dampening ring with it and place it on top of the resonant side.

wut???? I believe you mean batter side.


F

Ian Ballard 06-30-2013 09:52 AM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by audiotech (Post 1154684)
You might have a bad head. I ran into quite a few (new) G2 clear and coated Evans heads that were dead. If the head is dead, it doesn't matter how good a drum tuner you are, it's just going to sound very lifeless in comparison to a head that was properly manufactured. I would give that 12" drum another chance by taking the tension down to nothing, re-seating the head and start the tensioning process again. I must have taken three or four heads back to the Five Star shop where I bought them and I have another two that has to go back.

Dennis

I'll just have to note that if you are using the new Level360 heads, you are not supposed to stretch them like conventional heads. There is no need to "force seat" them and in fact, you can ruin them using the conventional seating methods of old.

Kinda hard to believe you find that many Evans duds. I've been using Evans heads since 2001 and I've never had ONE bad head and I've bought heads all over the country in shops and online. The only time I see "dead" heads that don't have obvious manufacturing defects, is when people don't properly seat them and the head is literally floating above the bearing edge.

Ian Ballard 06-30-2013 09:55 AM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
Evans makes an EC resonant head as well. It has the same 10mil film as a G1 but has the sound filtering rings.

I'd say Black Chrome heads on top and the EC reso on the bottom. Tune it fat and low and I think you'll like that.

poika 06-30-2013 11:45 AM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Florian (Post 1156461)
wut???? I believe you mean batter side.


F

I think he does mean the resonant side. Insert the ring inside the floor tom, so it rests on the reso head.

I've heard some people put cotton balls in there, supposedly that works pretty well too.

My floor tom reso resonates like hell every time I hit the bass drum but it actually sounds pretty good

alparrott 06-30-2013 05:08 PM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sillywabbit (Post 1149326)
I'm not happy with the 16" floor tom not matter how i tune it. equal tension, hi/lower, low/higher, etc. I would prefer a quicker recovery as this reonates far to much. I'm using moongels on both heads.

Have you listened to the drums -- all of them, together, possibly with other instruments playing -- from out in front, by the audience? If no, give it a listen. I bet this "resonance" you speak of is most noticeable from the throne and far less so out where it matters, where your floor tom may actually be sounding like a floor tom. Don't choke that drum up too much, or you'll have the wet cardboard sound in the house.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Ballard (Post 1156463)
Kinda hard to believe you find that many Evans duds. I've been using Evans heads since 2001 and I've never had ONE bad head and I've bought heads all over the country in shops and online. The only time I see "dead" heads that don't have obvious manufacturing defects, is when people don't properly seat them and the head is literally floating above the bearing edge.

Up until recently, that too was my experience. I bought a Clear G2 prepack the other day to get ready for a summer theater gig and the 12" head had a terrible warp right near where the bearing edge fits. I thought it might be the drum at first, but when I rotated the head, same deal, just moving around the drum. I had to go get another (which sounds great, no issues). Still, in 40+ heads, that's not a bad track record. I might throw the bad head on my soprano snare, since a higher tension appears to pull the imperfection out. We'll see.

IMHO, there's going to be bad heads in inventory for every manufacturer, just like sticks. Unfortunately, heads are a little trickier to "test drive" in the store. I have been really impressed with Evans' quality and customer service, though -- witness EvansSpecialist in this thread taking care of business. Kudos.

audiotech 06-30-2013 09:16 PM

Re: g2/g1 combo
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Ballard (Post 1156463)

Kinda hard to believe you find that many Evans duds. I've been using Evans heads since 2001 and I've never had ONE bad head and I've bought heads all over the country in shops and online. The only time I see "dead" heads that don't have obvious manufacturing defects, is when people don't properly seat them and the head is literally floating above the bearing edge.

So you to have seen dead heads, I usually hear them, at least it's a step in the right direction. Maybe you should write me a tutorial on how to change heads, it would take a boat load of insecurities off my mind, lol.

Dennis


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