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tommypenngotti 06-01-2013 09:43 PM

Where's the Beef? (Stick Weight)
 
Any reason stick companies don't include weight of stick in descriptions? Having a difficult time finding dense sticks other than the Japanese Oak Pro Marks. Thanks

GRUNTERSDAD 06-01-2013 09:49 PM

Re: Where's the Beef? (Stick Weight)
 
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I'm guessing the variations in wood would only make it possible to give a range. Have you ever weighed any to see what they weigh to get an idea.

found this online

Selecting a pair of drumsticks is one of the most personal and important decisions a drummer can make. To help in this process, drumstick manufacturers currently offer dozens of different models— each with a unique combination of factors including material, length, weight, diameter, tip, neck, taper and finish— and all designed to fit specific situations and styles.
Length, weight and diameter influence the stick’s control and dynamic capabilities. Long, heavy, wide sticks are designed for loud, aggressive playing. Short, light, narrow sticks are easier to handle, but may not have the power needed for more intense music.
The size and shape of the tip are also factors in stick design and selection. A larg- er, flatter tip will create a sound with more overtones; a smaller, rounder tip will be more articulate. Nylon and wood tip types offer different tonal characteristics, as well.
Drumsticks have historically been clas- sified into A, B and S models by their neck and taper. “A” models had thin necks and long tapers for “orchestral” playing while “B” and “S” models featured thicker necks
and shorter tapers for ‘band” and “street” applications. These elements are closely linked to a sticks’s durability, response and balance. The chart below shows the average sizes of some standard drumstick models:
model weight 7A 1.50oz 5A 1.75oz 5B 2.00oz 2B 2.25oz
length 15.75 ̋ 16.00 ̋ 16.00 ̋ 16.25 ̋
diameter neck .530 ̋ .235 ̋ .575 ̋ .255 ̋ .600 ̋ .280 ̋ .650 ̋ .295 ̋
Although oak, maple and other woods are often used for drumsticks, hickory remains the most popular stick material. Hickory has a comfortable, natural feel plus it is relatively abundant, durable and accepts a variety of finishes.
Choose your favorite drumstick model by determining which factors are right for you and your drumming. While many drummers prefer a general-purpose 5A or 5B, it’s OK to try different models based on the music you play. Pick your sticks by:
1. Rolling them to make sure that they’re straight.
2. Tapping them to make sure that they’re the same pitch and weight.

evolving_machine 06-01-2013 10:10 PM

Re: Where's the Beef? (Stick Weight)
 
The link below will give the density of wood. You can find an estimation of the stick volume in cubic foot by:

(Pi * R^2) * H = Volume
Pi of course is 3.14159
R is half the diameter of the stick
H is the length of the stick

This volume would be an estimate because of the taper and the bead of the stick. As you notice on the web site below, the density of wood has a range as Grunters dad said, it is not an exact number.

Volume * density will give you the weight of the stick.

But this estimate is good enough for you to compare the weights of one stick to another. The web site has the density of wood in both kilograms/ meter^3 and in pounds/ foot^3.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/wo...sity-d_40.html

everdred 06-02-2013 02:58 AM

Re: Where's the Beef? (Stick Weight)
 
Every hickory Vater stick i've ever picked up, has felt heavier than other brands compared sizes.

Vic Firth recently reintroduced their Shogun oak sticks, you may want to try them.

audiotech 06-02-2013 08:23 AM

Re: Where's the Beef? (Stick Weight)
 
Try some Zildjian "Heavy Jazz" sticks. These are made of laminated birch and are the heaviest sticks that I've ever used for their size. They're 16" in length with a diameter of .540". Very similar in size to 5A. They really hold up well and feel great in my hands.

Dennis

bobdadruma 06-02-2013 08:37 AM

Re: Where's the Beef? (Stick Weight)
 
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Originally Posted by everdred (Post 1146143)
Every hickory Vater stick i've ever picked up, has felt heavier than other brands compared sizes.

Vic Firth recently reintroduced their Shogun oak sticks, you may want to try them.

Yes Vater sticks are heavy. I use them for practice because they give me a workout.
I play Vic Firth when I am not practicing. They are much lighter.

porter 06-02-2013 05:38 PM

Re: Where's the Beef? (Stick Weight)
 
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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1146173)
Yes Vater sticks are heavy.

They are, they use a heavier density of hickory (baseball bat type) rather than other companies' lighter density (furniture type). I personally much prefer them.

masonni 06-07-2013 10:50 PM

Re: Where's the Beef? (Stick Weight)
 
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Originally Posted by tommypenngotti (Post 1146084)
Any reason stick companies don't include weight of stick in descriptions? Having a difficult time finding dense sticks other than the Japanese Oak Pro Marks. Thanks

Wood is a natural materiel and weights very from pair to pair.
Each stick model has an "ideal" weight. This is marked with a "0" at the factory.
they then have bins marked from -10 to +10. The sticks are electronically weighed and shot into the corresponding bin. Anything less than -10 is rejected as too light.

If you want to find dense sticks look at the lines of grain on the but-end. The fewer lines, the denser the wood, and thus the heavier the stick. Sticks with 1,2, or 3 lines of grain came from bins that were +5, +6, +7 and son on. If they have a lot of lines of grain, they came from -6, -7, -8....


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