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bobdadruma 05-03-2013 04:15 AM

Just Bought a late 60's Luddy Kit
 
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I couldn't resist :)
More to follow next week when I receive the goods.

alparrott 05-03-2013 04:21 AM

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That looks beautiful and classic. And I am jealous.Congrats, Bob!

bobdadruma 05-03-2013 04:41 AM

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Here are close ups of the badges. Im sure that you Ludwig buffs can fill me in with more info.
They seem to be from an original complete kit as far as I can tell. They were advertised that way.
I put them at around 1968.

Thanks alparrott :)

jodgey4 05-03-2013 05:25 AM

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The wrap still looks gorgeous... I think it's my favorite to see on any vintage kit! I can't wait to hear how it sounds!

bobdadruma 05-03-2013 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jodgey4 (Post 1136209)
The wrap still looks gorgeous... I think it's my favorite to see on any vintage kit! I can't wait to hear how it sounds!

They have aged just enough to display a slight amount of yellowing but not as though they were abused.
I love these sizes. My first kit was a Slingerland in these sizes.
I recently bought a 2012 Club Date SE and I fell in love with it.
I just had to have the real thing!
I also can't wait to experiment with them next week.
Yes, I paid to much! But I don't care. I decided to treat myself to something that I really wanted.

caddywumpus 05-03-2013 05:53 AM

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Congrats! She's a beaut!

mandrew 05-03-2013 07:30 AM

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Man, great looking kit!

Pocket-full-of-gold 05-03-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1136212)
They have aged just enough to display a slight amount of yellowing but not as though they were abused.

I'm surprised. Can't really pick that from the photos at all.....in fact, I initially wondered if it was a re-wrap it's in such good nick.

Excellent find. Enjoy 'em Bobby!!

As for the price.......well, try and buy 3 ply Luddies here in Oz. Price is nothing more than relative mate. And what price do you put on desire anyway?? :-)

Skulmoski 05-03-2013 09:08 AM

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Sweet! Classic kit. Classic sizes. Classic wrap.

Enjoy!

GJS

keep it simple 05-03-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1136212)

Yes, I paid to much! But I don't care. I decided to treat myself to something that I really wanted.

Absobloodylutely!!! Price compared to "market value", or price compared to number of smiles. It's all both relevant, & irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that you paid what you thought they were worth to you :)

Bob, stunning mate. There's very few wraps that I like, but this is one of them. So classy, so timeless. Congratulations!

bobdadruma 05-03-2013 01:48 PM

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Thanks all, As far as I know the only thing that has been done to the kit is that the bass drum hoops have been well repainted.

B-squared 05-03-2013 04:48 PM

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Those look to be in really good condition, especially for WMP. Usually at that age they would be a little yellow but those look new. Congratulations!

8Mile 05-03-2013 04:49 PM

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I cannot believe the condition of that WMP. Wow. Simply stunning. Congratulations!

tamadrm 05-03-2013 08:54 PM

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Just beautiful Bob.They look to me to be all original and the badge grommets are unmolested and aged brass.If they were forged,then the forger did a masterfull job.

To be sure,just pop the heads off and check to see if the wrap is tucked into the plys of the drum at the scarf joint.Ludwig used to actually wrap a flat 3 ply piece of mahohany/poplar /mahogany...and THEN form it into a drum shell.

That's why a rewrap is next to impossible to hide.I've never seen a sucessful job removing the last piece of the wrap from the plys.

Best of luck.Throw some coated ambassadors on them and listen for the magic.:)

Steve B

HITMAN 05-03-2013 08:56 PM

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very cool!
congrats!

larryace 05-03-2013 08:57 PM

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Wow are they in fantastic shape or what?

Impulse buy Bob?

I know how to un-yellow these shell in case you're interested. They don't look like they need it TBH.

bobdadruma 05-04-2013 12:41 AM

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It was kind of an impulse Larry. I was scanning Steve Maxwell's site and there they were.
When I saw the condition and I read what Steve wrote about the kit in his description I had to buy it.
Steve has a great rep for telling it exactly like it is.
He basically said that this is one of the best examples of a 60's Ludwig kit that he has ever seen. He said that if it wasn't for the 20" bass he would keep them for his personal collection.
In my case I wanted the 20" bass.

This looks to me like a kit that was kept in the best of conditions by upstanding owner/s.
I plan on doing the same.

tamadrm, Its gonna be coated ambs top and bottom on these toms and probably a PS3 coated on the bass batter side.
I probably won't gig with this kit. I have my 2012 Club Date for that purpose.
This will be a home studio queen :)

BacteriumFendYoke 05-04-2013 12:59 AM

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Just beautiful Bob. You really deserve to treat yourself! Great buy.

bobdadruma 05-04-2013 01:18 AM

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Thanks BFY and all others that I may have not thanked yet.
I was just thinking. I may install two of the new fangled Atlas lugs on the bass drum so that I can add cymbal mounts for a splash and a ride without drilling the bass shell. (I wouldn't dream of drilling these shells)
I may also add one for the tom mount for isolation.
What say you experts???

BacteriumFendYoke 05-04-2013 01:21 AM

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Not an expert but do it! I don't see any drawbacks, other than the expense.

wildbill 05-04-2013 01:28 AM

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Great looking kit.

It's good to be a bit frugal overall. But when you see something that really grabs you, it's good to splurge a bit too. Enjoy them.




(and don't drill any holes in them right away - LOL)

harryconway 05-04-2013 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1136204)
They seem to be from an original complete kit as far as I can tell. They were advertised that way.
I put them at around 1968.

Looking at the timeline http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/serial_numbers.html the 623 numbers are '68. The 824 badge, '71. I have 2 '69 drums, and a '71 ..... and they are all date stamped inside. Might want to check there (inside). That number will be more accurate than tracking serial numbers.
Quite a gorgeous set, you have there.

tamadrm 05-04-2013 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1136515)
It was kind of an impulse Larry. I was scanning Steve Maxwell's site and there they were.
When I saw the condition and I read what Steve wrote about the kit in his description I had to buy it.
Steve has a great rep for telling it exactly like it is.
He basically said that this is one of the best examples of a 60's Ludwig kit that he has ever seen. He said that if it wasn't for the 20" bass he would keep them for his personal collection.
In my case I wanted the 20" bass.

This looks to me like a kit that was kept in the best of conditions by upstanding owner/s.
I plan on doing the same.

tamadrm, Its gonna be coated ambs top and bottom on these toms and probably a PS3 coated on the bass batter side.
I probably won't gig with this kit. I have my 2012 Club Date for that purpose.
This will be a home studio queen :)


Yeah I should have said a PS3 on the bass and maybe a Dr.Scholls moleskin patch on the batter side to get maybe just a little more punch .That head combo just brings out that beautiful vintage Ludwig sound.

You can't go wrong with buying from Steve Maxwell.The guy and his staff just know their stuff and you can be sure that kit is the real deal.

For a time the 20" bass drum was optional on the classic series but they were usually sold 13/16/22.

Again...beautiful drums,and that version of Ludwig WMP is in my opinion much nicer than the later trapazoid pattern..

Steve B

Steve B

bobdadruma 05-04-2013 02:02 AM

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Thanks Harry, I will check the inside dates.
It really won't bother me if one drum is an early 70's vintage. If the shell construction is 3 ply and the shells are all in-tact then I will be happy.
I appreciate all the advise that is offered by you vintage Ludwig veterans.
I will look them over throughly upon arrival.

OK, so from what tamadrm and you have said I conclude that the bass drum is probably an odd duck hence the serial number being from early 70's.

larryace 05-04-2013 02:12 AM

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If it's a white painted interior, then the badge serial number isn't accurate. There are a lot of discrepancies with the serial numbers. If the other 2 drums date back to 1968, I think the badge is the oddball, not the shell.

bobdadruma 05-04-2013 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by larryace (Post 1136550)
If it's a white painted interior, then the badge serial number isn't accurate. There are a lot of discrepancies with the serial numbers. If the other 2 drums date back to 1968, I think the badge is the oddball, not the shell.

I was also thinking in terms of painted innards.
When did ludwig stop painting the insides?

wildbill 05-04-2013 03:26 AM

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I was looking at a set last week. Not quite as old, not near as nice, and they were advertised as 6 ply.

The insides were painted white. But who knows? - an owner may have done it.

harryconway 05-04-2013 04:35 AM

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1968 was changes for Ludwig. They stopped making the mahogany/poplar/maple shell .... and started making the maple/poplar/maple shell. Info from the vintage drum guide .....
Ludwig White Interiors - Benjamin Moore Regal Semi Gloss Finish N333 (Formerly - Benjamin Moore Aqua Glo White)

Just to make it very clear, with Ludwig drums there are transition shells that might not fit these dates with a different ply make-up. Also, on drums with wood finished exteriors that were lacquered then the exterior ply would normally be maple. This is not an exact science and the cross over drums between changes add a twist to the history of Ludwig.

Ludwig Shells Basic shell information 3-Ply Shells Shell Material Interior
1960 Mahogany/Poplar/Mahogany Clear Lacquer
1961-1967? White Paint
1968 Switched to clear interiors and also the baseball bat mufflers Maple/Poplar/Maple Clear Interior
1976 3ply shells switched to 6 ply shells some time in 1976-77
Ludwig Date Stamps
Date stamping started around 1956 with larger numbers and letters in red ink, then in 1961-1962 stampings were still red, but with slightly smaller characters. In 1963 shells can be found with red or black ink stamps. (Rob Cook)
Wildbill .... 6 ply should have clear interiors. So an aftermarket paint job .... or those drums weren't 6 ply.

wildbill 05-04-2013 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by harryconway (Post 1136588)

.. Wildbill .... 6 ply should have clear interiors. So an aftermarket paint job .... or those drums weren't 6 ply...


My bad. There's several resale shops around here that I spend some time browsing. Look at enough drums and you start mixing them up - ha ha.
There was a set of Ludwigs - 13, 16,18" kick that looked interesting. That was the one that was 6 ply. It didn't stay there long, someone snatched it up right away.

The ones that were painted white inside were Rogers. But they were also painted outside too, red over a white wrap.

.

bobdadruma 05-04-2013 04:20 PM

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Mine were advertised as Maple Poplar Maple so they should be clear inside, Correct?
Were the white interior shells from 61 to around 67 Mahogany or Maple?

KirbyM 05-04-2013 05:02 PM

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bob-

That is one of the most incredible White Marine Pearl finishes I have ever seen, especially one from the 60's. That finish is usually very yellow after 50 years. CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!

larryace 05-04-2013 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bobdadruma (Post 1136679)
Mine were advertised as Maple Poplar Maple so they should be clear inside, Correct?
Were the white interior shells from 61 to around 67 Mahogany or Maple?

M/P/M's are clear on the inside. They also have the B/O pointy badges, not keystone badges. Your's really should be white painted. If they were advertised as M/P/M and you got them from Maxwells....something doesn't add up. Either they were advertised wrong, or there are some M/P/M's with keystone badges, which I doubt, but with Ludwig, one never knows. Well actually Steve would know. I'm going with white painted interior and a mahogany/poplar/maple shell. And an awesome WMP finish :)

Anthony Amodeo 05-04-2013 05:16 PM

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beautiful kit

is that a Louie Bellson kit in the background?

where were these taken ?

Maxwells?

Bonzobilly 05-04-2013 05:24 PM

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Beautiful drums man. Congrats to you and your queen!

bobdadruma 05-04-2013 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo (Post 1136687)
beautiful kit

is that a Louie Bellson kit in the background?

where were these taken ?

Maxwells?

Thanks Anthony and Bonz, Yes, Maxwel's NYC and that is the Bellson kit behind my Ludwig's.

You are correct Larry. Ludwig history is confusing.
If they are white on the inside with Mahogany Poplar Maple I am still happy.

larryace 05-04-2013 05:45 PM

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Oh and its not like the white painted is a lesser shell, not at all. I have a set of both, mid 60's and mid 70's. FWIW, my son prefers my mid 60's set. I can't tell a whole lot of difference between the 2. Both have a middle ply of poplar and a maple ply. So they wouldn't be far off in tone, construction was, except for the inside finish, the same. I'm guessing you got yourself one of those elusive magic sets there, because of the price, and the fact that Steve wanted to keep it himself. The guy see a lot of drums.

bobdadruma 05-04-2013 06:22 PM

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Larry, If you go to Maxwell's site he has a champagne sparkle kit with badges like mine and same sizes as mine that is listed as Maple Poplar Maple.
He has a video link where he talks about the champagne kit and he mentions my kit.
http://youtu.be/fIKXedRd5Yc

mrmike 05-04-2013 06:51 PM

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I absolutely LOVE that kit Larry. It's just like my first kit and I will own one again!

A bit of a misnomer about the clear interiors being maple, poplar, maple. Any Luddie 3 ply clear interior drum I have ever taken the wrap off from this era has been maple, poplar, mahogany. Not sure why they are always described as m/p/m. Yours could be white or clear interior since this was a transition year. Either one are some of the best drums ever produced IMHO.

tamadrm 05-04-2013 07:13 PM

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Ludwig used white interior (resocoat and keystone badge) shells up until late 68 as some of these were warehoused and made before the transition.Even some shells before 69 were maple/poplar/mahogany,depending on the finish.If the shell was a stain or painted finish,the exterior ply was maple.

You can still find some late 60's drums with clear interiors and keystone badges.

Some shells later than 69 (B&O badge) were mahogany/poplar/maple,clear interior but by 71 all the shell were maple/poplar/maple 3 plys.If one showed up with a mahogany ply ,it was a leftover pre 70's.These were primarily used on the standard line with granitone interiors.

Steve B

larryace 05-04-2013 07:19 PM

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Now I'm really confused. There were clear interiors with keystone badges? Since they were advertised as clear interiors, well I guess he should know. Steve I continue to be in envy of your Ludwig knowledge.


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