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Bo Eder 04-09-2013 04:31 AM

Picked up the DrumCrafts today!
 
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Not sure if I need THREE kits, but I got the DrumCraft drums today. I haven't gotten to clean them or do a good tuning yet, but they sure are pretty (not sure if the pictures will do them justice. But set up in my drum room they sound great. Each drum is stamped what date they were made - I may want to apply some tung oil to the insides though.

But it's basically a DrumCraft 22" Progressive maple kit in the Cardiac Burst finish. Online price from DrumCraftdirect.au is $2,039.00 for the shell pack. This finish isn't available from anyone on eBay, either, and their snare drums are asking a pretty price too (I've seen between $300-450). The name of the finish is appropriate.

It has:

8x10, 9x12 rack toms
14x16 floor tom
18x22 virgin bass drum
5.5x14 snare drum
Comes standard with two clamps and tom mounts.

The actual drum hardware looks good and feels very sturdy - the clamps and tom mounts feel like chrome covered plastic, but function well, and are pretty heavy - which makes me think they're not actually plastic. If I keep the kit I may just install a full-on Yamaha double tom mount and also use Yamaha tom mounts on the toms - just eliminate the DrumCraft stuff altogether.

But I guess my big debate is to keep them or not. They are truly top-flight drums, but I have two great kits already. What would you do? As I said in earlier posts, although I primarily play 4-piece kits for everything, every now and then you have to go out and be able to look and play the part of the jazz-fusionist. Some people just like drummers with two toms on top too, so it definitely makes me able to fill any needs anyone might want. But then again, I'm comfortable enough nowadays that I actually turn people down for gigs. I'll stare at the drums for a while and decide where I want to go with these ;)

bermuda 04-09-2013 04:39 AM

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Beautiful! Keep 'em!!

gish 04-09-2013 06:09 AM

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You got a ridiculously good deal on them. You have plenty of space in your drum room. If you like 'em, I say keep 'em. Besides, with the money you saved getting that great deal, you should have plenty left over to get something nice for the wife! From one married guy to another, as long as she's happy its all good!

harryconway 04-09-2013 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bermuda (Post 1127693)
Beautiful! Keep 'em!!

+1. Sure, even though you really can't play more than one kit at a time .... havin' a few around ain't a bad thing.

wildbill 04-09-2013 06:18 AM

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I'll say that if you like them enough that you would have bought them at the regular price, then you should keep them. Otherwise - out they go.

Bo Eder 04-09-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wildbill (Post 1127729)
I'll say that if you like them enough that you would have bought them at the regular price, then you should keep them. Otherwise - out they go.

This is quite a loaded question, isn't it? I'm not sure I ever paid the regular price for any of the drums I've had. I recall really liking the Sonor SQ2 in concept, but because I was taught that the drums don't matter as much as the guy playing them, I highly doubted I'd ever pay for that. I did pay for a new set of Drum Workshop some time ago, but I didn't like them afterwards. I kept wanting them to be the old Camco's - and they weren't.

As far as the wife goes, I think she likes them better. There's color to them. She thinks gloss black on the Slingerlands and natural maple (which she calls yellow) on the Ludwig is pretty bland.

But the interesting thing is the "modern vs. vintage" thing. As Anthony attests to, we've had to futz with our old drums as we grew up for hours making them sound good. And all new kits these days you just throw heads on them and crank 'em up. If you can't get a good sound out of a modern kit, then I think there might be something wrong with you.

I'm gonna give these a good cleaning and do some seriously playing in the morning. I'll live with the crowded drum room. When the Slingerlands come back from Pro Drum I'll have my own little shop ;)

bigiainw 04-09-2013 03:10 PM

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Did I miss something? What happened to the Granstars and the Starclassics?

scorch whammin 04-09-2013 03:17 PM

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Nice looking kit!...I think I would keep them...and yea what happened to the Tamas?

wildbill 04-09-2013 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1127772)

...This is quite a loaded question, isn't it?...


How so? I got the impression from this post, http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...98&postcount=1
that the main reason you got them was because of the price.

What I mean is, you didn't seem like before, you were - 'I really want a set of DrumCraft drums and I'm going to search for them, no matter how much they cost'.
It was more like - 'I found a set of DrumCraft drums for a really good price. I don't need or particularly want them, but they're a really good deal'.

I could be wrong about that, but it doesn't seem like it from your post I linked to.

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Bonzobilly 04-09-2013 05:01 PM

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Nice kit. Congrats! The name of the finish is interesting. Cardiac burst? Do they also carry it in pulmonary embolism?

alparrott 04-09-2013 05:02 PM

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If you're that on the fence about them, I know a good home for 'em. ;)

Fuo 04-09-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bigiainw (Post 1127808)
Did I miss something? What happened to the Granstars and the Starclassics?

The month changed ;)

larryz 04-09-2013 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bigiainw (Post 1127808)
Did I miss something? What happened to the Granstars and the Starclassics?

Thinking the same thing.

Tama Granstars
Tama Starclassics in black oyster (my fav..I'll take em if you're selling...)
Ludwig naturals
Slingerlands
Drum Craft

Jeez..how is it I know Bo's drum collection but I can't remember to pay the electric bill?

DrumEatDrum 04-09-2013 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Fuo (Post 1127854)
The month changed ;)

LOL.....Pretty much.

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Originally Posted by larryz (Post 1127859)
Thinking the same thing.

Tama Granstars
Tama Starclassics in black oyster (my fav..I'll take em if you're selling...)
Ludwig naturals
Slingerlands
Drum Craft

Jeez..how is it I know Bo's drum collection but I can't remember to pay the electric bill?

I have the same problem.

longgun 04-09-2013 06:56 PM

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If you have the space, I'd say keep them....................they do look beautiful.

Bo Eder 04-09-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by larryz (Post 1127859)
Thinking the same thing.

Tama Granstars
Tama Starclassics in black oyster (my fav..I'll take em if you're selling...)
Ludwig naturals
Slingerlands
Drum Craft

Jeez..how is it I know Bo's drum collection but I can't remember to pay the electric bill?

My apologies for not updating all of you. But due to the nostalgic nature of both the Ludwigs and the Slingerlands, both Tamas were let go to help fund those kits. Well, not exactly let go - the Starclassics were bought by the high school I work for so although technically I don't own them, I'm the only one playing them and maintaining them. The school thought it wise to own their own kit for the choir program, so I was able to provide one for them ;)

The Granstars went to the accompanists' 12-year-old son who I give lessons to about once a month now. His mother asked me advice on a first kit for him but she didn't want to buy him a toy, and be loved the Granstars every time he saw them so for his birthday, I set him up with it.

So I have access to all FIVE kits anyway, two of them just don't live in my house. Considering the emotional ties to the vintage kits, they're a good trade. My house is full of maple instead of birch ;)

At first I felt I could flip the DrumCrafts, but I feel like the Slingerlands will probably just enjoy a home life instead of gigging, which would mean the Ludwigs and DCs would share the brunt of the gigging abuse. But I reserve the right to change my mind on that. Good kits need to played in public - every blue moon or so ;)

Bo Eder 04-09-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wildbill (Post 1127815)
How so? I got the impression from this post, http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...98&postcount=1
that the main reason you got them was because of the price.

What I mean is, you didn't seem like before, you were - 'I really want a set of DrumCraft drums and I'm going to search for them, no matter how much they cost'.
It was more like - 'I found a set of DrumCraft drums for a really good price. I don't need or particularly want them, but they're a really good deal'.

I could be wrong about that, but it doesn't seem like it from your post I linked to.

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Yeah, it was more the latter. I just wanted to point out that I don't think I've ever been a "have it all costs" kinda' guy. I thought I was that way years ago when I bought my first DW's, but I think that whole situation cured me of that (since I was so dissatisfied with the whole DW Experience). These new DC's are definitely worth what I paid for them - not sure if I would've paid $2000+ for them - they wouldn't have come up on my radar for that price - although a new Ludwig classic maple Downbeat would've.

And the Slingerlands didn't fall into that category, either. In Bermuda's thread about the outrageous drum prices, I see folks trying to sell their vintage kits for really high prices, and emotional ties or not, I don't have that much disposible income to spend $4500 on a 35+ year-old set of drums. I had seen these particular Slingerlands for a few weeks before and started playing with the idea of getting it in honor of my parents, and it just so happens they were the cheapest by far of any other Slingerland seller, and it fit all the parameters I was looking for. So that was an easy trigger pull. Talk about odds, eh?

wildbill 04-10-2013 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1127904)

... I just wanted to point out that I don't think I've ever been a "have it all costs" kinda' guy. I thought I was that way years ago when I bought my first DW's, but I think that whole situation cured me of that (since I was so dissatisfied with the whole DW Experience)...


Yep - one experience like that is usually enough to turn most people a bit more practical.

Still - for someone who's rolling in the cash - why not, right?

Bo Eder 04-10-2013 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by wildbill (Post 1128010)
Yep - one experience like that is usually enough to turn most people a bit more practical.

Still - for someone who's rolling in the cash - why not, right?

Yeah, you're right. In this case, why not?

Now I've spent the morning cleaning up and tuning the DrumCrafts and futzing with hanging the toms off of two straight cymbal stands, and I got it working. These drums are definitely in that sub-2K range, and they tune really easy (almost too easy). They're light, which probably adds to their resonance, and the drum hardware is good (not sure about those tom arms and clamps supplied, though). So I think I'll go with the Yamaha double tom mount on the bass drum anyway. I think this will be a smart move since this company doesn't really have any support in the US, hence no way to get replacement parts should I need them.

bobdadruma 04-10-2013 01:52 AM

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Those are keepers buddy.
I love everything about them.

keep it simple 04-10-2013 01:57 AM

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Bo, I don't see the need for a decision right away. Live with them a while. It takes time to tease out characters that in haste you may miss out on. Easy to tune sounds good to me too :)

hyruleherojoe 04-10-2013 02:22 AM

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Hey! Beautiful drums there. I actually have a drumcraft 6.5 x14 series 8 snare from sam ash for just $130.Thanks to your tip, i found out sam ash is trying to get rid of their drumcraft inventory. I had trouble trying to tune and get the right sound out of the snare, can you tell me what settings you have on your snare if you do end up playing it?

Bo Eder 04-10-2013 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hyruleherojoe (Post 1128049)
Hey! Beautiful drums there. I actually have a drumcraft 6.5 x14 series 8 snare from sam ash for just $130.Thanks to your tip, i found out sam ash is trying to get rid of their drumcraft inventory. I had trouble trying to tune and get the right sound out of the snare, can you tell me what settings you have on your snare if you do end up playing it?

Well, I do this with every new drum, but I just loosen up both heads and the. Proceed to get them evenly tuned. On the snare my bottom head ends up a bit tighter than the batter head but that's about it. This snare is really nice and the strainer is pretty robust. I did put a regular ambassador on top and got rid of the dot head. But I didn't do anything special to it. It's a nice solid snare.

Bo Eder 04-10-2013 08:28 AM

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It's dangerous when you're at work cruising around eBay. I've begun the process and bought a Yamaha bass drum tom mount and a the Yamaha double tom mount without the arms. I'm even going to install it myself. Wish me luck in about a week!

barryabko 04-10-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1128026)
These drums are definitely in that sub-2K range

Hey Bo,

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Could you please clarify?

Congratulations on picking up your new kit.

Barry

Red Menace 04-10-2013 09:34 AM

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Great score Bo. I'm going to pick up a Drumcraft aluminum snare on Friday. I tried it out for a bit and just couldn't resist. Nice snap but still enough ring for my liking. Can't wait!

Bo Eder 04-10-2013 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace (Post 1128170)
Great score Bo. I'm going to pick up a Drumcraft aluminum snare on Friday. I tried it out for a bit and just couldn't resist. Nice snap but still enough ring for my liking. Can't wait!

Yeah, the snare I got is surprisingly good. It seems to hold its own when A/B tested with my Supraphonic and my Slingerland COB, and sounds different enough that you know I'm playing it (I can get the Supra and the Slingy to sound really close to one another, and that's good 'cause I love that sound too). I'd love to hear a metal DrumCraft snare, I'm sure yours will sound awesome. I recommend losing that head with the dot underneath though. When I put a regular coated ambassador on my snare the drum just opened up. Congrats on your score!

Bo Eder 04-10-2013 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by barryabko (Post 1128168)
Hey Bo,

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Could you please clarify?

Congratulations on picking up your new kit.

Barry

Well, online price of this specific kit on their Australian webpage (www.drumcraft.au) has it priced at $2100, or 2199, something like that. But I think in reality, it competes with kits like Tama's Starclassic B/B kits, which round out at about $1400-1500 for a 4-piece (no snare), and DrumCraft includes a matching snare. They're nicely built, and maybe they need to age a bit, but they don't feel incredibly rugged yet like my Ludwigs or Slingerlands - there's a bit more heft to the vintage drums whereas the DrumCrafts feel a bit lightweight. Like a fine acoustic guitar, I don't want to just pick them up and throw them around. But I could easily do that to my zep kit and not worry about it. I think once the DrumCraft shells age a bit (maybe in a few years?) they'll brittle up some and feel like they could take some bumping into. Because of that reasoning, I feel they're worth less than what they ask for them, putting them under 2K in price.

Red Menace 04-10-2013 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1128175)
I recommend losing that head with the dot underneath though. When I put a regular coated ambassador on my snare the drum just opened up. Congrats on your score!

Thanks Bo, I'll definitely try that. I tried a Remo CS on a few of my snares before and I didn't care for how it changed the tone of the snare. First thing I want to do is replace the batter with a coated single ply and then eventually replace the cheap plastic throw with a Trick.

Bo Eder 04-10-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Menace (Post 1128197)
Thanks Bo, I'll definitely try that. I tried a Remo CS on a few of my snares before and I didn't care for how it changed the tone of the snare. First thing I want to do is replace the batter with a coated single ply and then eventually replace the cheap plastic throw with a Trick.

I think you oughta' give the plastic strainer a try first. I had considered that at first, and then when I got the drum home, in practice it works out ok. At least there's metal where you need it. The part that's plastic is really just the handle part. If you left your snare drum out in the elements for a couple of years I can see the plastic getting brittle and breaking, but who does that?

You might find you don't have to invest in that Trick just yet. The one I have works great. The adjust knob is super smooth. But I thought I saw that strainer made by somebody else, and all the parts were metal. Maybe you can find the exact same one with the metal parts.

hyruleherojoe 04-10-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1128080)
Well, I do this with every new drum, but I just loosen up both heads and the. Proceed to get them evenly tuned. On the snare my bottom head ends up a bit tighter than the batter head but that's about it. This snare is really nice and the strainer is pretty robust. I did put a regular ambassador on top and got rid of the dot head. But I didn't do anything special to it. It's a nice solid snare.

Thanks! I put a remo powerstroke, and 30 strand Puresound snares. With my snare I was getting an ugly ring. It was really abnormal but now it sounds fantastic.

Bo Eder 04-10-2013 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hyruleherojoe (Post 1128333)
Thanks! I put a remo powerstroke, and 30 strand Puresound snares. With my snare I was getting an ugly ring. It was really abnormal but now it sounds fantastic.

I'll bet with that ps3 head you can get a nice Al Jackson Jr. phat sound, eh?
What I thought was a nice touch is that DrumCraft makes their snare wires look like Purecussions ;)

wildbill 04-10-2013 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1128157)

.... I've begun the process and bought a Yamaha bass drum tom mount and a the Yamaha double tom mount without the arms. I'm even going to install it myself. Wish me luck in about a week!


I'm looking forward to seeing pics of this when you're done. Sounds like a nice project.

Bo Eder 04-10-2013 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wildbill (Post 1128450)
I'm looking forward to seeing pics of this when you're done. Sounds like a nice project.

It'll confuse our label-intensive members for sure ;)


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