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Coldhardsteel 02-23-2013 03:40 PM

Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Just an honest question. We don't say 'rocker bears' or 'fusion lemurs'.

GRUNTERSDAD 02-23-2013 03:45 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Cat was just slang from back in the 30's etc, like Bud or mate would be today. There was a lot of slang that came out of the Jazz era.

http://home.earthlink.net/~dlarkins/slang-pg.htm
http://www.csun.edu/~hbcsc626/glossary.html

Mad About Drums 02-23-2013 04:17 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldhardsteel (Post 1112686)
Just an honest question. We don't say 'rocker bears' or 'fusion lemurs'.

It doesn't have to be an animal reference, nick names are often given to music styles players, ie: "metal heads", "soap singers"...

Cat is also a nick name used to describe drummers, in many interviews, you can hear such and such drummer saying "that cat can really play" while talking about another fellow drummer.

sonnygrabber 02-23-2013 06:36 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
I'm a blues rhinoceros, thanks.

harryconway 02-23-2013 07:19 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
I think it goes back to the 20's. There was a term, "the cat's pajamas". Also " the cat's meow". Both of which meant splendid .... boss ... groovy .... bitchin'. That translated to a "cat" being a dude who could do something splendid. And if he was of some mind progressive, he was a "hep cat".
This, since it was "before" the age of rock, made jazz the really cool, forward, progressive scene. So not many "cats" playing Polka, Country, or Classical.
Blues also fell into the "hip" category, so there were also "blues cats".

drummaman1 02-23-2013 07:41 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
The word "Jazz" itself is slang. The story goes that one of the gigs piano players used to get were playing the piano in the brothels. When a prostitute had a client she wasn't particularly fond of but still had to make money, she'd tell the piano player to "Jazz it up" so she doesn't have to spend much time with that person. That's one story.

Another is "Jazz" was one of the first euphemisms for semen.

The post earlier is a good description of the use of the word "cats" It was back then drumset players were "traps" players, "hitting the skins" back then it applied 'cause the drum heads were made of calfskin. Calling drums "tubs" cause they sounded tubby to some...

Bo Eder 02-23-2013 07:53 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldhardsteel (Post 1112686)
Just an honest question. We don't say 'rocker bears' or 'fusion lemurs'.

Are you sure? I see rock 'n' roll guys and refer to them as "goat boys" ;)

Mad About Drums 02-23-2013 08:20 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1112761)
Are you sure? I see rock 'n' roll guys and refer to them as "goat boys" ;)

Some call themself "cat" too :)

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pNX9mLNeIM...er-criss78.jpg

topgun2021 02-23-2013 08:56 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Because cats like to watch drummers
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...12151428_n.jpg

Anthony Amodeo 02-24-2013 12:25 AM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drummaman1 (Post 1112752)
The word "Jazz" itself is slang. The story goes that one of the gigs piano players used to get were playing the piano in the brothels. When a prostitute had a client she wasn't particularly fond of but still had to make money, she'd tell the piano player to "Jazz it up" so she doesn't have to spend much time with that person. That's one story.

Another is "Jazz" was one of the first euphemisms for semen.

The post earlier is a good description of the use of the word "cats" It was back then drumset players were "traps" players, "hitting the skins" back then it applied 'cause the drum heads were made of calfskin. Calling drums "tubs" cause they sounded tubby to some...

not true

jazz is a purpose mispronunciation of jass

these piano players in the brothels recognized that the prostitutes all wore a perfume called Jasmine and they loved to dance to the swing of Ragtime piano to seduce their Johns.

these piano players would shorten Jasmine to jass....and say I got a job tonight going to play the jass.
then realizing Jasmine was pronounced Jazmine ....jass became jazz

and "cats" comes from common sayings at the time like...."the cats meow" being something of the best quality, the best performer, or a highly desired item

legend says that Louis Armstrong is among the first to refer to his peers as "cats"...and say things like "ya dig?"...when asking if you understand ...and saying things are "hip"

I have asked these questions many times to guys who learned from the people who were alive and relevant during the times when these sayings became popular ..... and these are the answers they gave me

see the Jass Fools here
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2381/jassa.jpg

Bo Eder 02-24-2013 03:21 AM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mad About Drums (Post 1112767)

Nope. He's a goat boy too ;)

Anon La Ply 02-24-2013 04:16 AM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
While an affectation, I like the term "jazz cats". Cats are in control, smooth, agile and somewhat aloof, which is how generally I see the playing of jazzers.

... as opposed to a musical hamster like me - slow, a bit clunky, not much of a threat, appealing in primitive way to some and mostly consumes greens :)

brady 02-24-2013 04:55 AM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
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Originally Posted by Bo Eder (Post 1112876)
Nope. He's a goat boy too ;)

Nope....

This is goat boy.

Bo Eder 02-24-2013 05:38 AM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by brady (Post 1112897)
Nope....

This is goat boy.

That's him without the make-up ;)

oldrockdrummer 02-24-2013 02:32 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
".'
Quote:

Cats are in control, smooth, agile and somewhat aloof',


Guess thats why they call us "Rock Dogs"

Jeff Almeyda 02-24-2013 03:41 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo (Post 1112834)
not true

jazz is a purpose mispronunciation of jass

these piano players in the brothels recognized that the prostitutes all wore a perfume called Jasmine and they loved to dance to the swing of Ragtime piano to seduce their Johns.

these piano players would shorten Jasmine to jass....and say I got a job tonight going to play the jass.
then realizing Jasmine was pronounced Jazmine ....jass became jazz

and "cats" comes from common sayings at the time like...."the cats meow" being something of the best quality, the best performer, or a highly desired item

legend says that Louis Armstrong is among the first to refer to his peers as "cats"...and say things like "ya dig?"...when asking if you understand ...and saying things are "hip"

I have asked these questions many times to guys who learned from the people who were alive and relevant during the times when these sayings became popular ..... and these are the answers they gave me

see the Jass Fools here
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2381/jassa.jpg

Wow, That is so cool. I learned something today. Thanks

groove1 02-24-2013 05:06 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
...and then there is the "catbird", known for it's improvisations.

oldrockdrummer 02-24-2013 07:06 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo (Post 1112834)
not true

jazz is a purpose mispronunciation of jass

these piano players in the brothels recognized that the prostitutes all wore a perfume called Jasmine and they loved to dance to the swing of Ragtime piano to seduce their Johns.

these piano players would shorten Jasmine to jass....and say I got a job tonight going to play the jass.
then realizing Jasmine was pronounced Jazmine ....jass became jazz

and "cats" comes from common sayings at the time like...."the cats meow" being something of the best quality, the best performer, or a highly desired item

legend says that Louis Armstrong is among the first to refer to his peers as "cats"...and say things like "ya dig?"...when asking if you understand ...and saying things are "hip"

I have asked these questions many times to guys who learned from the people who were alive and relevant during the times when these sayings became popular ..... and these are the answers they gave me

see the Jass Fools here
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/2381/jassa.jpg

So a Jazz Cat would be a highly desired or best quality prostitute

Anthony Amodeo 02-24-2013 08:41 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oldrockdrummer (Post 1113019)
So a Jazz Cat would be a highly desired or best quality prostitute


not at all the point I was making ....but yes

Prostitute : One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an "unworthy" purpose.

jazz musicians were often considered to be "unworthy" to the upper class.....often seen as drug addicts and second rate criminals .....but the upper class all payed to hear them play and would hire them to play at their events so they could come across as "hip"

oldrockdrummer 02-26-2013 10:17 PM

Re: Why are they Called Jazz Cats?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony Amodeo (Post 1113048)
not at all the point I was making ....but yes

Prostitute : One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an "unworthy" purpose.

jazz musicians were often considered to be "unworthy" to the upper class.....often seen as drug addicts and second rate criminals .....but the upper class all payed to hear them play and would hire them to play at their events so they could come across as "hip"

Wow I see. Wouldn't it be nice if the upper class viewed rock musicians in such a manner


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