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permutation 01-22-2013 04:15 AM

Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Wanted to get a consensus on this. Just because we play a musical instrument, does that define us as being a musician.
Say if your a drummer that only plays the drums/drumset, would one consider themself to be a musician? What if you also played a, woodwind, brasswind, or stringed instrument, along with a drum/drumset, would that qualify you as being a musician?
You know the old joke,"Who do drummers hang out with?"
So what qualifies us as drummers, to be considered as musicians?
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.

topgun2021 01-22-2013 04:20 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Drummers that can hit things with rhythm, time keeping, and dynamic control should be considered musicians.

Although, I a fan of using the word Percussionist.

I also play:

Mallets
Bass Drum
Timpani
Crash Cymbal
Suspended Cymbal
Triangle
Wood Block
Cow Bell
etc.

opentune 01-22-2013 04:25 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Of course.
Drummers play music, make music, not just hit things.
I f you are not being musical you are not drumming well.

evilg99 01-22-2013 04:27 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
I'm sorry, but this is borderline ridiculous.
Someone who plays drums (and only drums) is most certainly a musician.
Why wouldn't they be? Because we don't play specific pitches or harmonized chords ?

I also play guitar and bass and mandolin and some piano...but that doesn't make me any MORE of a musician than if I only played drums.

Those dumb drummer jokes don't work on me.

N

sonnygrabber 01-22-2013 04:29 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Nah, I personally do not appreciate being clumped in with the 'musician' riff-raff. I'm an eeeeen-dividual.

BacteriumFendYoke 01-22-2013 04:33 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
I'm going to scream. With organisation and within a performance context.

Makes me a musician. Makes me bloody irritated as well.

GRUNTERSDAD 01-22-2013 04:38 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
We play a musical instrument, ergo we are musicians. Drummers and percussionists are both musicians.

MaryO 01-22-2013 04:58 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Tempos, rhythm, quarter notes, 8th notes, 16th notes, triplets, shuffles, dynamics, etc, etc, ec..... Sounds like music to me.

BigDinSD 01-22-2013 04:58 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
What's your definition of a Musician?

Anon La Ply 01-22-2013 05:07 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by permutation (Post 1101585)
Just because we play a musical instrument, does that define us as being a musician.

Yup. Next question.

Dr_Watso 01-22-2013 05:34 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
I think that boy drummers are musicians, but not girl drummers.

edvia 01-22-2013 06:30 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Just watch any video with Antonio Sanchez, especially if he's playing with Pat Metheny, and ask yourself if he's a musician. Of course he is! Not every drummer is at the same level of musicianship, but we're all musicians.

jodgey4 01-22-2013 07:30 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
I'm curious about why you are asking this. I hope that you are just trying to elicit a response from us, and that you don't actually believe that you are not a musician. Music is a feeling felt through sound. If you contribute to that feeling, you are a musician.

Midnite Zephyr 01-22-2013 07:34 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
This might help to answer your question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musician

I prefer to think of myself as a thespian though.

groove1 01-22-2013 08:37 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Real drummers should. So what's a real drummer? I look at it this way, someone who can
pick up a hammer and hit a nail is not necessarily a carpenter.....someone who can take a stick and
hit a drumhead is not necessarily a drummer...it takes more, but not a lot more to become
a beginning musician.

keep it simple 01-22-2013 09:51 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1101612)
Yup. Next question.

Agreed!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Watso (Post 1101632)
I think that boy drummers are musicians, but not girl drummers.

You're a very naughty girl & should be spanked accordingly!


Ooops, sorry, wrong forum ;)

thedrummachine 01-22-2013 11:22 AM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
We play music, we are musicians.Simple as that.
I think the attitude coming from some non-drumming musicians that drummers are "just the drummer" says more about their level of musicianship than the drummer's.
If they listen to a fairly decent drummer and hear what he is playing as timekeeping, not music, then they clearly haven't got a clue about the subtleties of groove, dynamics, mood etc.
I don't think we'll ever get rid of this attitude, not until we can play chords on the drum kit. Then they'll accept us as musicians.

Scopata 01-22-2013 12:49 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Us drummers play more then one instrument. We play:

The Snare
Bass Drum
Tom
Floor Tom
Hi hat
Ride
Crash



Each one of these on their own could be considered an instrument, And many drummers use even more instruments in their set up.

Melody, Harmony and Rhythm are all part of music. Which instrument or musician has the key role of filling the Rhythm a lot of the time, The drummer. I would consider a drummer to be a musician.

drum4fun27302 01-22-2013 01:45 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
The answers are going to be biased (posing on a drum forum and all ).



"The greatest contribution jazz has made in music has been to replace the role of the conductor with a member of the ensemble who, instead of waving his arms to keep time and convey mood is an active member of the musical statement. That person is the drummer."

Xero Talent 01-22-2013 01:53 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Of course I'm a musician. I play music. Where's the confusion?

Swiss Matthias 01-22-2013 01:58 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
LOL :). This thread is surprisingly long!

JasperGTR 01-22-2013 02:01 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xero Talent (Post 1101737)
Of course I'm a musician. I play music. Where's the confusion?

+1. Like others have said - drummer are musicians.

Pianist = musician who plays piano.
Drummer = musician who plays drums.

I do, however, also leave it to the individual to self-determine if what they play is actually music. If they feel it is, then they are musicians. Who are we to determine what a particular artist feels is art or not?

NUTHA JASON 01-22-2013 02:19 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
for untold tens of thousands of years in prehistory drums/percussion were all there was. it is all these ''melodic'' new fangled instruments who should be questioning if they are musical and their players musicians.

from my point of view we are more than musicians anyway - we are entertainers... msucians plus.

j

bermuda 01-22-2013 02:33 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
The US government, specifically the IRS, accepts that my occupation is Musician. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me!

Oh yeah, they also accept that my name is

Bermuda

jzach10 01-22-2013 02:36 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Drummers are very important...they keep the tempo and beat, we are musicians

The Old Hyde 01-22-2013 02:54 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
If a bass player can, than anyone can. I mean really, four strings, thats it??

WHiZZi 01-22-2013 03:02 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
obviously.. drummer is musician.. Heck, you can call it "art" if you want to. For Dutch law I'm an "art"-maker in the form of musician. It states in my company description:
"Performing art in the form of music and opera"

So, yes.. you can hire me to sing an opera. I don't promise you it'll be good to hear, I do promise my drumming gives you less damage to your ears :-P

In short, ofcouse a drummer is a musician. Why wouldn't he/she be?

EarthRocker 01-22-2013 03:22 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
There was a time when drummers were not considered musicians. If you had a six piece band, you were labeled as a five piece band and a drummer. It wasn't 'till around the later 50s I think that drummers being considered as musicians was taken seriously by anyone - and it still isn't to a majority of people.

It's bad drummers that promote a lack of faith in an instrument. The guys who whale on their drums and try to drown out everyone on stage, speed up and slow down the tempo, and whatever else you can think of that a good drummer should NOT be doing.

The drums are musical - just like a guitar, you can play a drum soft and quiet and mellow, or you can play it loud and harsh. Drummers are the real unsung heroes of the band because when something goes wrong, we're the first ones to be blamed, but when the performance goes well, the other musicians get all the credit.

AndyMC 01-22-2013 04:44 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
I personally break anyone who plays a drum into 4 categories.

Level 0 - Has no experience and either makes a fool of themselves or play something cool that wouldn't fit in a band setting.

Level 1 - Has basic understanding of beats, fills and is focused on the mechanics of drumming. Not very good to listen to and most people at this level sound similar. I would happily call this person a drummer.

Level 2 - Solid understanding of instrument and focus is moved on to dynamics and groove. I consider this level a musician because you are focusing on the music instead of just trying to make it through.

Level 3 - The artist, trying to actually say something using drums as the medium. These are the people that influence us and make us think about the music.

I also apply this to all instruments, it makes it easier for me to audition/ share info. I consider myself Level 2, but I'm working towards 3, I think.

So where are you at, n00b, drummer, musician, or artist? You determine your own limits.

Roosto 01-22-2013 05:00 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
When I was 12, my uncle, who played in big bands and jazz combos in the 30's and 40's, told me straight off that drums are a musical instrument and are to be treated as such. Then, very sternly, he told me that there was only one way to correctly learn to play the drums, and that was what I was about to learn. After that I would be free to go play whatever form of music I wanted. Four years later when the Beatles came out, he liked to say to me that the drummer for the Tonight Show orchestra could come down and play what the Beatles drummer was playing, but the Beatles drummer couldn't go up there and play what the Tonight Show drummer was playing. He wanted me to be ready and able to play any form of music I wanted. If some kid is just bashing away to the Dead Rat record or something, maybe it isn't musical, I don't know, debatable; perhaps just a lower level of musicianship. In some instances, there is something to be said for primitive.

longgun 01-22-2013 05:10 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bermuda (Post 1101750)
The US government, specifically the IRS, accepts that my occupation is Musician. If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me!

Oh yeah, they also accept that my name is

Bermuda

.............I think the IRS would accept anything as long as they get their cut.

To the original question: Absolutely

Mad About Drums 01-22-2013 05:20 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiss Matthias (Post 1101739)
LOL :). This thread is surprisingly long!

... to put it short, yes!

permutation 01-22-2013 05:25 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anon La Ply (Post 1101612)
Yup. Next question.

I suppose this is a dumb question.

Some great replies! I'm thankful for most of them.

MaryO 01-22-2013 05:57 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Watso (Post 1101632)
I think that boy drummers are musicians, but not girl drummers.

That's right..we are technically know as virtuosos! :)

Bushmanic 01-22-2013 06:07 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Old Hyde (Post 1101754)
If a bass player can, than anyone can. I mean really, four strings, thats it??

That's 3 spares!

I can't find the exact thread/post at the moment, where larryace (Uncle Larry) wrote down very interesting thoughts about why drummers are not always considered musicians. Would be a great read for all who keeps asking themselfs/others this very question.

Shortly,we're primordial musicians!

Am I proud or what? :p

MrSteveC 01-22-2013 06:10 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Short answer, Yes, and here's some food for thought, I read an article recently where Sting said that once he realized that the sound of the band really comes from the drummer everything became much easier, gives you an idea of how much weight the modern day drummer actually carries.

JasperGTR 01-22-2013 06:39 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bushmanic (Post 1101809)
That's 3 spares!

I can't find the exact thread/post at the moment, where larryace (Uncle Larry) wrote down very interesting thoughts about why drummers are not always considered musicians. Would be a great read for all who keeps asking themselfs/others this very question.

Shortly,we're primordial musicians!

Am I proud or what? :p

That's just it, I don't think a lot of us actually think that drummers are not musicians.

permutation 01-22-2013 06:53 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Swiss Matthias (Post 1101739)
LOL :). This thread is surprisingly long!

At least it gave you a good laugh.

permutation 01-22-2013 06:58 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrSteveC (Post 1101811)
Short answer, Yes, and here's some food for thought, I read an article recently where Sting said that once he realized that the sound of the band really comes from the drummer everything became much easier, gives you an idea of how much weight the modern day drummer actually carries.

I love the solo stuff Sting has done and with The Police.
I'll definitely remember this quote.

Mad About Drums 01-22-2013 07:16 PM

Re: Should drummers call themselves musicians?
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by keep it simple (Post 1101692)
You're a very naughty girl & should be spanked accordingly!


Ooops, sorry, wrong forum ;)

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