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Pavlos 09-16-2008 08:29 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Erik Lund (Post 381250)
Well okay. But what other bands did he play in? Were people clamoring to get him in their band? What I meant by the Moon comparison is that Copeland's playing seemed perfectly suited for that band. His feel/influences seemed to really give that group their specific sound, much like Moon. But I couldn't imagine Moon playing with another group and I haven't heard a band that would utilize Copeland's strengths with what he did with the Police - those reggae-inspired grooves, etc.

Stew hasn't played with a ton of groups but did play with Oysterhead and Animal Logic. I wasn't crazy about Animal Logic but I loved Oysterhead which he said in a recent interview he wants to do again after the Police reunion tour. He also worked with Stan Ridgeway (wall of voodoo) for the Rumblefish soundtrack and on one of the MD fests he played with a band called Gizmo which sounded great to me,

I think he could be good in lots of bands but maybe preferred all the soundtrack composing work after being in the Police, maybe because he had more control over the project that way.

Then there's this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3F8rB1waAQ
I love that video!

Forage17 10-19-2008 03:37 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
love his style and love his drumming he has a major influence on my drumming

love his tama signature kit too

this vid highlights his style

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q45sg06K4yI

ZildjianMan1023 10-19-2008 04:35 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
idk what nationality he is, because his accent is kind of confusing

but hes an amazing drummer


and probably a cool guy for putting up with sting all these years


LOL

Jackofalldrums 12-07-2008 07:13 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Copeland is my favourite, his grooves are so different and unique the fact that as a person he is very inteligent enforces his position on drums.


Murder by numbers, pure genius

Klark Kent 12-08-2008 02:07 AM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZildjianMan1023 (Post 491288)
idk what nationality he is, because his accent is kind of confusing

but hes an amazing drummer


and probably a cool guy for putting up with sting all these years


LOL

Stewart was born in Alexandria, Virginia, but his family relocated to the middle east particularly Beirut when he was a few months old. So, his accent is a combination of his American roots, his fluent arabic and years of touring with british musicians, haha

trkdrmr 01-04-2009 03:06 AM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
I have been watching the "Synchronicity" tour on my mp3 player. One jam I really like is "One world is enough (for all of us)". It convinced me to get a low pitched set of octabans. I love the accents and fills in this tune.

Aggressivec 01-04-2009 03:32 AM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Copeland does stuff with the hi-hat that I wish I had thought of. I always try to do some of his tricks but sometimes they come out horrible! I wish I could do it as articulate and clean as he did.

trkdrmr 01-04-2009 04:37 AM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aggressivec (Post 522692)
Copeland does stuff with the hi-hat that I wish I had thought of. I always try to do some of his tricks but sometimes they come out horrible! I wish I could do it as articulate and clean as he did.

The intro to "Walking on the moon" always intruiged me. It's his work, but there is some reverb added for effect.

His kit has always sounded good, and his playing crisp and tasetful along the raggae groove lines.

trkdrmr 01-06-2009 03:08 AM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
At the end of this month, I am picking up 24/22/20/18" set of DDRUM deccabons so that my kit will be more like Stewarts.

trkdrmr 01-26-2009 08:18 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Then vs now...

Then... Synchronicity tour:
Stewart and the guys played IMO, just what needed to be played. It was pretty straight forward and they grooved where they needed. I did not like the remake of "Don't stand so close to me" as much as the original version. To me, it lost impact. One of the highlights was "One world (not three)" and the jam they did.

Now: latest tour:
The dvd performance and extra features indicate to me they were vying for more personal space on each tune. It seems like extra things were stuck in the drum parts where they weren't needed. Sting, of course had to over-stylize the vocals to what was perfect the first time around. While I like this dvd, I prefer the original performances, without the added gloss. At some points, Sting was almost a lilting, Vegas lounge-lizard version of earlier efforts.

Davo-London 02-13-2009 06:06 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Placement of the kick drum where the snare hit would normally be is a wonderful thing to play and you almost have to unlearn everything to do it.

His inventiveness is what I appreciate about him and the ability to flit from reggae to rock within the gap of a flam. I have an instruction DVD on Copeland but rather annoyingly the tutor is left-handed, which is rather useless to a RHer like me. Now clearly if you are LHed than you are the lucky ones for a change.

Davo

grifter 02-27-2009 01:45 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
According to the man himself, these are the 6 records that shaped his career - as told to Rhythm Mag/Musicradar in the UK.

http://www.musicradar.com/news/drums...records-198232

nhzoso 07-02-2009 02:31 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aggressivec (Post 522692)
Copeland does stuff with the hi-hat that I wish I had thought of. I always try to do some of his tricks but sometimes they come out horrible! I wish I could do it as articulate and clean as he did.

Just started really getting into his drumming can you give me some examples of this hi hat stuff?

DrumEatDrum 07-02-2009 10:13 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nhzoso (Post 590835)
Just started really getting into his drumming can you give me some examples of this hi hat stuff?

The best example, in my opinion, is the song "Walking on the Moon."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLndLjMibyM

The basic groove is 8th on the hi-hat, but Copeland throws in lots of 16ths, and then starts throwing in some poly rhythms and various assorted syncopations on the hi-hats as drum fills.

2nd great example is the original version of "Don't Stand So Close to Me" (there is a 2nd version the Police put out a few years later with a drum machine).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXU8kCrRHJY
Copelands dynamics on the hi-hat are what drive the verses.

LinearDrummer 07-07-2009 10:43 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nhzoso (Post 590835)
Just started really getting into his drumming can you give me some examples of this hi hat stuff?

I would say listen to Driven to Tears

bamdrummer 07-19-2009 09:38 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Stewart Copeland is a frickin' amazing drummer. I probably wouldn't have known what a splash cymbal was without him.

DanGordon 08-12-2009 08:47 AM

Stewart Copeland unique traditional grip
 
Have you guys ever noticed that Copeland uses a kind of unique traditional grip?

He uses - most of the time - his middle finger under the stick, so having three - and not two fingers - as the supporting ones.
The only finger on top of the stick is the index finger.

Incredibly I just noticed this today as I'm now paying more attention to traditional grip players cause I started practicing traditional grip a few moths ago after 24 years playing exclusively matched.

And curiously, two days ago I moved my middle finger to the bottom of the stick just to try new things and experiment.
And I liked the way it feels.

:)

Well, I'll keep practicing the classic traditional grip, but the way Copeland uses it is interesting. And as I suddenly liked the way it felt I think I'll try to develop that too.


Cheers!

KlarkKent 08-19-2009 04:14 AM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DrumEatDrum (Post 590932)
The best example, in my opinion, is the song "Walking on the Moon."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLndLjMibyM

The basic groove is 8th on the hi-hat, but Copeland throws in lots of 16ths, and then starts throwing in some poly rhythms and various assorted syncopations on the hi-hats as drum fills.

2nd great example is the original version of "Don't Stand So Close to Me" (there is a 2nd version the Police put out a few years later with a drum machine).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXU8kCrRHJY
Copelands dynamics on the hi-hat are what drive the verses.

Another very good, clear example of his hi-hat work:

1. "Darkness," from Ghost in the Machine: the whole song is basically Stewart playing the hi-hat with accents on the bass drum, feathered.

2. The opening to Peter Gabriel's "Red Rain," from So: Stewart plays the hi-hat intro for this song (and plays the full session for "Big Time").

paradiddler 11-03-2009 02:00 AM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Hi everyone.

Recently, I had the privilege of having Mr. Copeland answer a few of my questions that I posed to him. I wrote an article at TheParadiddler.com based on those answers:

Stewart Copeland Answers Questions from The Paradiddler

I hope you enjoy the info!

Davo-London 11-11-2010 10:12 AM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Sat up last night and watched a ton of Copeland/Police youtube vids.

Boy, did he hit hard. I would love to have a fraction of his groove. He always was a very consistent player. My old tutor would critique the fact that he would speed up sections of a song (chorus), but I wonder whether he did that on purpose.

Very inspiring.

Davo

Pollyanna 10-01-2011 02:45 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Davo-London (Post 764451)
Boy, did he hit hard. I would love to have a fraction of his groove. He always was a very consistent player. My old tutor would critique the fact that he would speed up sections of a song (chorus), but I wonder whether he did that on purpose.

Very inspiring.

Agree with all of that. YouTube just recommended to me this scorching performance of Driven to Tears: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LvCmsmJ8Xs

The question is ... does the music still sound great in the sped up parts? I say YES. When a band can rock out that hard and with so much pizazz, I couldn't care less about the details. Maybe he does it on purpose, but without realising it - going for major intensity ... and achieving it.

Alesi 10-15-2011 05:32 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
I really don't care about how he speeds up. In fact, there's some tunes in the The Police Live album that have that kind of "lack of time". But, I think about Copeland most of an extremely intuitive-tasty player. I mean, if he doesn't speed up, it wouldn't be Stewart Copeland. John Bonham is another drummer that sped up in a lot of song, but how I would point that out in tunes like "trampled under foot", for instance. It works.

Brundlefly 10-15-2011 08:43 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alesi (Post 902079)
I really don't care about how he speeds up. In fact, there's some tunes in the The Police Live album that have that kind of "lack of time". But, I think about Copeland most of an extremely intuitive-tasty player. I mean, if he doesn't speed up, it wouldn't be Stewart Copeland. John Bonham is another drummer that sped up in a lot of song, but how I would point that out in tunes like "trampled under foot", for instance. It works.

/agree. It wasn't always on purpose, which he has admitted. But that doesn't mean it sounds wrong either. In many cases, it's what made the song get up and move. A really great example of this can be found on the Oysterhead song Army's On Ecstasy. Besides, there tends to be a different view on this stuff today because everyone is so used to hearing gridded music. Back then, this was normal and nobody cared.

BTW, that Driven To Tears link may be one of the worst versions of that song I've heard from them. Go back a ways to the time before Sting sterilized everything and take listen.

Brundlefly 10-15-2011 09:05 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
I got sucked in and followed a few links to find this one from the old Conan show. Damn, but I do love this band.

LinearDrummer 10-27-2011 07:24 AM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Davo-London (Post 764451)
Sat up last night and watched a ton of Copeland/Police youtube vids.

Boy, did he hit hard. I would love to have a fraction of his groove. He always was a very consistent player. My old tutor would critique the fact that he would speed up sections of a song (chorus), but I wonder whether he did that on purpose.

Very inspiring.

Davo

Good points!
He definitely speed up alot live but...the man cracked those backbeats (T-grip) like no other!

Pachikara-Tharakan 10-27-2011 06:10 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
love his drumming, his double strokes, so unique, he is a unique drummer, in playing and in looks as well....to me he doesnt fit in with all today's flashy head banging dudes!

DarrenMcMaster-Smith 11-01-2011 09:49 AM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alesi (Post 902079)
I really don't care about how he speeds up. In fact, there's some tunes in the The Police Live album that have that kind of "lack of time". But, I think about Copeland most of an extremely intuitive-tasty player. I mean, if he doesn't speed up, it wouldn't be Stewart Copeland. John Bonham is another drummer that sped up in a lot of song, but how I would point that out in tunes like "trampled under foot", for instance. It works.

The old drummers had their own sound and style.

Now every drummer sounds the same.
All these flashy licks lol.

I could tell Bonham or Bruford or Giles or Cobham by their feel and tone,not their chops.

Todays scene seems so competititive.

The fastest drummer,who can play the most grips,who can out do each other instead of focussing on the music.

I 'd love to learn all that tech stuff but my heart is in't in to it.

I see a dvd of a bloke playing some flashy stuff and the song is usually really cheesy fusion stuff with really 80s sounds lol and that's the only time you can use those flashy techniques,with really cheesy music.

The soul of music has dimished somewhat for the purpose of compettitiveness.

My feelings.

You can hate me.

I hate myself more so fire away.

Just prefer something like Cobhams Spectrum with soul than todays shyte with cheesy cheesy tone and songs.

"that guy is no good"
Why
"he doesn't have trad grip for a start"

"and?"
"he doesn't know how to play moellor grip"

LMAO.

Pachikara-Tharakan 11-01-2011 03:48 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenMcMaster-Smith (Post 907787)
The old drummers had their own sound and style.

Now every drummer sounds the same.
All these flashy licks lol.


Todays scene seems so competititive.

The fastest drummer,who can play the most grips,who can out do each other instead of focussing on the music.

I 'd love to learn all that tech stuff but my heart is in't in to it.

my thoughts as well :)

joshvibert 05-29-2013 04:51 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
I REALLY enjoy Stuart's playing in the early 80's with the Police, but the two performance videos posted of him here are horrible. He is probably focusing a lot more on composing nowadays, but still, if you're going to play something like a solo on Letterman, at least get in the woodshed and work your chops up a bit. Unfortunately, his ego seems to have increased as much as his chops have decreased. As far as drumming goes, he's now and overly-arrogant has-been.

Dirtysticks 06-03-2013 07:45 PM

Re: Stewart Copeland
 
I love him with the Police. He had such a signature style and feel! I've stolen some of his grooves and used them in different genres lol!


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