Why are metal drummers looked down on?

IMO its because when people think of metal drumming they think of crazy fast drummers and insane double bass. Well at least i do. Like alot of drummers for some reason HATE lars ulrich. And he is crazy fast. And they are looked down on, but they shouldnt be cause there probably all greattt drummers but there just playing stuff that fits into the type of music there band plays
 

Duckenheimer

Senior Member
IMO its because when people think of metal drumming they think of crazy fast drummers and insane double bass. Well at least i do. Like alot of drummers for some reason HATE lars ulrich. And he is crazy fast. And they are looked down on, but they shouldnt be cause there probably all greattt drummers but there just playing stuff that fits into the type of music there band plays
I like Lars Ulrich but I don't see how he's crazy fast.
 

Otto

Platinum Member
There are cliche' in Metal just like there are in Jazz or any other artificial category of music.

I think it can be hard to mine interesting material from a lumped mass of texture you would rather not hear...but it does yield interesting things I would otherwise not be exposed to...

for example,

Katatonia
The Great Cold Distance
Consternation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsXu1428r2c&feature=related

stick with it through about 2:27

Typical?...not so sure...but easy to dismiss based on genre cliche' prejudice

That prejudice is a large part of what I think the OP is noting.

Can make the same observations in any genre...as it is the cliche' that defines the genre.
 
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mrthirsty

Junior Member
I can appreciate the skill and technique a good metal drummer has to master, I know it takes lot's of hours of practice and dedication, it's just not my type of music. Also there are LOT'S of sub catagories of Metal that in my opinion have pretty different approaches drumming wise.

The only dealings I have with local metal musicians are at my rehearsal studio and at the occasional jams in bars. The one area where SOME metal guys seem to incite the wrath of other non metal musicians is the need to play so loud that anyone in practise rooms next to them can't get anything done. I had a band next to me where the drummer had his kick drums triggered and was running them through 2 18" powered subs in a 20x20 room. Since they didn't really practice to a set schedule it was tough to pick times to avoid them, which EVERYONE was trying to do. I hate to say it but the type of groups that do this tend to be the speed metal and death metal bands, they just don't seem to care.
Also this type of music turns some drummers into what I call double kick junkies, guys that whenever possible have to play double bass patterns in songs like crossroads at jams which maybe fairly or unfairly give people the impression some metal guys can't play other styles. I know some sound men who will not work with the speed metal and death metal bands because of the inability to control their volume.

That being said I think Matt Sorum, known as a metal drummer, is not only a good drummer but a good musician, his playing on the burning for Buddy sessions shows his knowledge of styles and versatility. I have had no encounters with famous Metal drummers, I'm sure they would surprise a lot of people with what they can play outside of Metal, they're pros after all.
 
My .2 on this...a lot of it I think just has to do with the music itself. They guy hehind that rack may be an unbelievable drummer, even if the music doesn't show it. Let's say you have a band with a hot shot a*#hole (nice guy) guitar player that wants all the attention on him. That drummer may be limited simply by being in that band, especially if he is not an original member. It could be the same with the singer. Not all drummers are "allowed" to play like Neil Peart or Mike Mangini, who I happen to be seeing in a drum clinic soon. Awesome.

There is also the "busy drummer, steady drummer" thing, that, in a lot of cases may have nothing at all to do with the drummer. Again, if they have others in the band doing all of the writing (and decision making) the drummer may get stuck with "here, play this".

Then there is the size of the band. Rush is 3 people. What if you have 5 or more ? Realistically, a lot of rock and metal drummers don't get to show what they are capable of because in a lot of cases there is not much room for deviation. Listen to a crazy good jazz drummer. You may hear all kinds of stuff, mixing time signatures and so on. Rock and metal for the most part have a flow. A lot of it is simplistic by design. I mean hell, look how many albums AC/DC has sold, and how often you hear it everywhere you go. The whole band is simple...but it sounds great and sells a s*#t load of albums. So to a lot of people, it all sounds similar, and that is where I think you were trying get with this. At least, that's what I got out of it.

Not to mention, a lot of people that listen to one don't listen to the other, or little of it. I love jazz, but I hate to admit I can only name a handful of jazz artists / groups. So what I'm likely to hear is the greats when I do actually hear it. Not likely the run of the mill or bottom of the barrel. Rock is so much more mainstream, so when a jazz fan is out and about and hears some metal, there is a much bigger chance you'll here a crappy drummer because, let's face it, you no longer have to have talent to make it on the radio. Taylor Swift. Enough said.

All in all, I think its a numbers game, a lot of misconstrued ideas, and the music itself. I enjoy all kinds of music. I'm going to see Chris Botti this weekend with my lovely wife (I got HER into jazz ! haha ! And we are both metal children of the 80's), and with God's blessing, Billy Kilson will be drumming for him for this tour ! If you can beat on it and it makes noise, play it !
 

Yea Ed

Junior Member
It has always seemed to me that drummers who play heavier styles of music are often thought of as 'not as good as swing/funk drummers. All my drum teachers (apart from Dave Haley from Psycroptic) have told me that it takes much less skill to be a metal drummer than to be a jazz drummer or other sorts of styles. I often hear people say that it takes not much skill to play at 250 bpm for 2 hours straight or play loud and agressively. Most people agree that isn't creative or musical. Blasting/double bass/china cymbals are always talked about badly by other snobs who think they are better because they don't play metal. Why is there such a consensus? I believe it takes a tremendous amount of skill to play at the speeds of George Kollias, David Haley, Derek Roddy, Tim Yeung and other metal drummers. I still like to play funk and other stuff and agree that it needs more finesse and touch, but really it is just a different style. You need different skills to play both metal and funk. I've never seen a jazz drummer who can play at almost 300bpm for hours on end like George Kollias can. But on the other hand I've never seen a metal drummer with the same touch and dynamics. Can't everyone just agree that metal is different and accept that it does take skill to play it well? What do you guys think?

That is all.
Are they? Because they are short ?

Seriously. It takes a lot more skill to be a good metal drummer than to be good at any other style. There. I said it.

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kettles

Gold Member
Hey, what about THIS guy?

Ray Marte, of Exemption - BIRDS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=N5pIisqpczo

Check it, and let me know what you think, good or bad!
Thanks for sharing, I'm liking this a lot. Here's the actual song if anyone is interested - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89rN8CyecjQ

Maybe it's because metal is a youth thing. Or, for that matter, still a young (not just 'young-person') genre. Back in the day, when rock and roll first formed, it too was also considered just 'talentless noise'. But it was just a new born, evolving genre that held beliefs of rebellion to the old ways. I'm sure all the elder drummers of that time also looked down upon those 'damned rock and roll drummers' too. Same thing goes for metal, it is still a relatively newer form of musical art. It's still the revolt, pushing its way into the mainstream even now. Drummers of age may simply be stuck in a rut, for they're more expirienced with what was before rather than now. People just don't like change. Music, like anything else, changes and grows.

Going back to my youth point, what is youth known for? Energy. What is metal known for? Energy. Metal isn't what is in the head, but what is in the heart. Speed and technicality are at the forefront to some, but to play to show off just takes away the soul of it. It's the passion, the adrenaline rush, the thunder of the band and the roar of the crowd that makes a metalheads heart melt. Maybe that's something our previous generations have a lack on understanding too. The feeling that 20's beebop drummers had, and the dance like grooves and feel of it all, has only just grown into a new beast. Instead of an upbeat 'dancy" tune, metal has taken that to a new level by pumping massive ammounts of energy out each and every night. The same bloodline of generations before them, but moved on. Instead of a ballroom dance, its a field or arena (or bar) warzone. Moshpits may be viewed as extremely stupid to some, but it's just a metalheads way of letting the energy flow (just like dancing, but... a tad more brutal haha).

Such a long and dragged out post. My apologies if it's worded strangely, it's very hard to convey my thoughts into words. Especially listening to Iron Maiden after a couple beers
+1
 

Anon La Ply

Renegade
Hey, what about THIS guy?

Ray Marte, of Exemption - BIRDS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=N5pIisqpczo...
Check it, and let me know what you think, good or bad!
Can't really listen to it but I would have liked him when I was young - he plays with the spirit of Bill Ward.


Are they? Because they are short ?

Seriously. It takes a lot more skill to be a good metal drummer than to be good at any other style. There. I said it.
Bit of irony going on here, um, Edward :)

I think Narada has the kind of energy and flash to make a lot of metal drumming fans happy:
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I love this anagram trolling. It's beyond brilliant.
You started it :)
 
Harry, that was excellent. I remember when I was all growed up (am I ? lol) and started getting that attitude, and started listening to everything else that was out there. Now, (and internet and satellite radio have helped with this a lot, at least for me), I listen to all kinds of stuff. Jazz, Bluegrass, blues, although (this falls under likes and dislikes) country just doesn't do it for me, and swing band type stuff as my wife got me into classic movies, and of course, classical on occasion.

There's a whole bigger world out there than the one some choose to live in. so much good stuff out there. If someone wants to limit themselves to one thing, that's their business. If there are drummers that only want to play one kind of music, that's their choice. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy what I can while I'm here, keep an open mind to whatever comes my way in music, and let everything else to away. The horse is dead already from what I understand, so let's bury it, and move on to something more constructive.
 

SSOSS

Member
Thanks for sharing, I'm liking this a lot. Here's the actual song if anyone is interested - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89rN8CyecjQ



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Hey, my name is also Andrew, nice to meetcha.

Thanks so much for commenting, I posted this to the Drummers section and didn't get a peep. Glad to see someone finally noticed.

Here's another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne6npmGH3RM

Exemption is the best rock band on Long Island.

Here's some more stuff I had previously linked to.

http://exemption.bandcamp.com/

Genre is Metal / Punk / Modern Rock.

Check out the Rabbit Hole, it's old 80's metal style with melody.

http://exemption.bandcamp.com/album/the-rabbit-hole

Also, here's a website I made for them, there's nothing to buy on the site, I'm not affiliated with the band, it's just a fan page because I love the band and do websites for a living. I'm just showing off, I don't give a crap how many click throughs I get or anything.

http://www.exemptionmusic.com

Comments welcome. I'd love to talk about how awesome the band is, since they're the best local unsigned band I've personally stumbled across.
 

Otto

Platinum Member
I love that entire album.
I woulda missed it if I haden't pushed through my prejudice re: "metal".

Same prejudice that i think gets spread around and noted by the OP...and not just on those metal drummers...I think polka drummers get slighted the worst....chops of precise punk-esque pulsing dance/banality fusion demanding your feet to move...and derided like none other...

: )
 
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