What's with The Who?

Pachikara-Tharakan

Silver Member
If Ringo got lucky to be picked by Lennon/Paul and George, then didn't Bonham get lucky to get picked by Page/Plant and Jones and for that matter didn't Plant get real lucky to be picked by Jimmy and Jones.

Luck or fate or whatever is all a part of the game, but even if they all got lucky they had to deliver in the end.

Ringo delivered perfect timing, playing for the music and probably keeping the band together as the enormous egos of Lennon and Paul fought to destroy it all.

I do not need to say much about Bonham or Plant, they both delivered. If they had not been able to, do you think Jimmy would have kept them, because make no mistake it was Jimmy's band.
another lucky drummer is Charley Watts....the easiest job that he has..delivering simple drumming no so called theatrical complicated flashy chops , making millions with no stress? ... doesnt have to open his mouth during business meetings, no stress of getting fired, well respectful family man, doesnt have to worry about hitting the sweet spot/ pocket, cause he says the engineers would take care of those stuff., never released any so called instructional DVDs, toured around the globe several times......all with a 4 piece Gretch....
 

SmoothOperator

Gold Member
If Ringo got lucky to be picked by Lennon/Paul and George, then didn't Bonham get lucky to get picked by Page/Plant and Jones and for that matter didn't Plant get real lucky to be picked by Jimmy and Jones.

Luck or fate or whatever is all a part of the game, but even if they all got lucky they had to deliver in the end.

Ringo delivered perfect timing, playing for the music and probably keeping the band together as the enormous egos of Lennon and Paul fought to destroy it all.

I do not need to say much about Bonham or Plant, they both delivered. If they had not been able to, do you think Jimmy would have kept them, because make no mistake it was Jimmy's band.
I think the better bands go through a phase where they found a market then they have to find players that can play the part. Pink Floyd had to find someone that could sing and play guitar.
 

coolhand1969

Senior Member
If Ringo got lucky to be picked by Lennon/Paul and George, then didn't Bonham get lucky to get picked by Page/Plant and Jones and for that matter didn't Plant get real lucky to be picked by Jimmy and Jones.

Luck or fate or whatever is all a part of the game, but even if they all got lucky they had to deliver in the end.

Ringo delivered perfect timing, playing for the music and probably keeping the band together as the enormous egos of Lennon and Paul fought to destroy it all.

I do not need to say much about Bonham or Plant, they both delivered. If they had not been able to, do you think Jimmy would have kept them, because make no mistake it was Jimmy's band.
 

con struct

Platinum Member
I'm a bit biased, because I discovered The Who on the TV show, Shindig, in 1965, while very much a young teenager. It was a promo film clip of "I Can't Explain."
What a coincidence! I saw that very same show when I was twelve and that's how I, too, discovered the Who, and I, too, was blown away, by the band, the song and especially Keith Moon's drumming. Isn't that something.
 

Bull

Gold Member
+10000^ This.Bull ,do you mind if I steal this? That it a perfect summary,of their effect on me.From when I first heard "Substitute" in the 60's ,till "Real Good Looking Boy",and everything in between

.If I'm feeling crappy,even as much as I love the Beatles,...I'll play " Won't Get Fooled Again",full volume,and,then,all's right with the world.Thanks for that.:)

Steve B
Feel free. :)

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LeonardWest

Junior Member
Good recognition of Moon's contribution already, but I'll add an observation that the rim shot at 2:30 in I Can See For Miles is pure perfection to me.
 

A-customs

Silver Member
Behind Blue Eyes ,,, One of the greatest songs ever written. It stands the test of time, as many of their songs do. The Who have left an indelible mark on Rock history that I am truly grateful for. Moony's contribution is hugely appreciated . But I wouldn't want to be like him.
It's not them as technicians of music, it's them as pioneers!
Moons playing on this track to me,is his finest moment sheer brilliance!!
 

DancingMadlyBackwards

Senior Member
The notion that nobody sounded like moon before he came along or after is about the biggest testament to his greatness that there could be. Also a very lofty compliment...and with all his enigmatic glory, he was accepted and revered. Don't get much better than that I would say.

Maybe it would be inappropriate to play like that in today's landscape....and I certainly see the aural painting and "mayhem" there in live clips....but when I listen to the albums, I just hear a lot of sweet drumming and that neat tactile sound of his toms.
 

tamadrm

Platinum Member
It did,and it didn't.Ringo himself has said,the first few gigs with the Beatles,especially at the Cavern,people were shouting.."where's Pete".

I think his playing ,personality and professionalism,won the crowd over,more than Pete did.

I also agree,this "luck into the band" stuff is far off the mark.John,Paul and George,went after Ringo,especially after he sat in with them a few times.Not the other way around.

Did they all get a little,lucky,and make the right moves at the right time,at the right time in history? How about all 4 being in the same place,at the right time.?

Ringo just lucky.,......not really.His skills as a drummer,and personality is what got him the job.

Sorry for the hijack,now back to out regularly scheduled program.:)

Steve B
 

SquadLeader

Gold Member
So had "The Beatles" line up of Lennon, McCartney, Stu Sutcliffe and Pete Best.

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Agreed...no question of that.

I think Rory Storm and the Hurricanes were really popular mate...far more popular in Liverpool than the Beatles were up until Starr left. And I don't believe it's any coincidence that popularity in the Beatles rose significantly after he joined them.

Like you, I'm not trying to understate, or over-state Ringo....just throwing it out there as I understand it to be.
 

Pocket-full-of-gold

Platinum Member
......and had already toured Germany a number of times when he was snapped up.
So had "The Beatles" line up of Lennon, McCartney, Stu Sutcliffe and Pete Best.

I'm certainly not looking to under sell him. More so, I'm just not as convinced with the argument surrounding his popularity as presented by the OP.
 

Les Ismore

Platinum Member
What's with the WHO?

R U serious?

You're missing a big part of RR history if you're asking that question, meaning you need to know what came b/f the WHO and what came after.

The WHO laid the bed rock for british rock (and hard rock in general), not the Stones, not the Beatles.

You'll have to look at early live vids. NO band of the time, or b/f played as heavy/hard as the WHO, anyone who saw them live early will tell you the same. There were no candy asses in that band, men playing rock n roll.
 

SquadLeader

Gold Member
In a 10 block by 10 block section of Liverpool, maybe. Anything more is a stretch.



As much as I love me some Thomas The Tank Engine, I think you're really stretching now.

Still, he did land himself a Bond girl. He certainly out did both Macca and Lennon on that front.
I think the Hurricanes were one of the leading bands from the region and had already toured Germany a number of times when he was snapped up.

I could be wrong...studied him as part of my O level in music....25 years ago and can't access Wikipedia here at work :)
 

SquadLeader

Gold Member
How popular could he have been? He was a teenager with what, a couple years of scattered experience?



He stumbled into a really good gig. Right time, right place.

Good drummer? Heck yeah!
He was 22 and he was sought out due to his reputation.

I really dislike the idea that Ringo Starr was somehow 'lucky'. It really naffs me off that people think that. He was better than lucky
 

Pocket-full-of-gold

Platinum Member
I disagree, Ringo was popular before the Beatles,
In a 10 block by 10 block section of Liverpool, maybe. Anything more is a stretch.

furthermore Ringo had one of the more successful acts after the break up.
As much as I love me some Thomas The Tank Engine, I think you're really stretching now.

Still, he did land himself a Bond girl. He certainly out did both Macca and Lennon on that front.
 

Pachikara-Tharakan

Silver Member
Afte r reading this thread yesterday I watched this vid, concert footage of the actual Live at Leeds show, with some good close-ups of his playing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sanAHVITCDY

Its really something to watch, but yes, I cannot even imagine trying to emulate it. How he alternates wash riding between his left and right side cymbals, yet still keeping time. What you said was correct, not only does he paint a sound, but looks like a painter too.

Think if you showed up to an audition and started playing along to a band like this. Nobody would have a clue what you were up to, and you'd likely not get in the band. But he was perfect for this band, and Pete and company must have seen it right away - the [/B]whole piss off, in your face, unconventional approach to instruments.


absolutely no band Guitarists or bassists seem to tolerate that kind of approach towards drums except Pete and John.....which is lacking in today's music....except one is auditioned for a who cover band.
 
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