What to do when your drums have been stolen

Skitch

Pioneer Member
Everyone,

If you don't know one of our brethren had his Zickos stolen and while we are keeping an eye out for his gear, let's have a healthy discussion as to what to do and how to handle the situation of stolen gear. The guitar player of the band I was in some years ago had a bunch of his gear stolen out of his band and I didn't know what to tell him.

So here are my suggestions - Keep an eye on Ebay and on Craigslist. Gear that is as rare as Zickos will stick out like a sore thumb b/c these are very rare.

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Skulmoski

Gold Member
Prevention first:

1) Mark your gear
2) Photograph your gear
3) Insure your gear
4) Put a curse on your gear (I don't know if this works but what the hell!)

Contact the police and insurance company. Share your photographs.

Call pawn shops to see if something has recently turned up.

Take care

GJS
 

azrae1l

Silver Member
i'll chime in since i've had stolen gear before....
first and foremost before the gear is even stolen, get pictures of the stuff. it can be a hassle but i do this with every piece of gear i have that's worth any kind of money. pics of distinguishing marks, serial numbers, stamps. anything you need to prove their yours. and i also pick a real obscure place to put a mark that only i know about.

once something has been stolen...
1. call the cops, get a police report. nobody will do anything if you don't have one...
2. call your insurance company and report it (providing you have home owners or renters insurance)
3. make flyers with a picture and ask every pawn shop and music store in your local area if you can post one in their window. even if they do nothing to help a flyer in the window will discourage the thief from trying to pawn them there. or at least ask if they can keep one behind the counter if they won't let you hang one.
4. put an ad on craigslist, don't just watch it. if your thief see's it he will be less likely to try and sell them there. and believe it or not some people are decent and if they do see them will tell you. don't stop at just the for sale either, also post one in the musicians section and anywhere else with a lot of traffic. hell i'd also post one in the personals...
5. offer a reward. if the thief can't sell them they might just try and return them for the reward.
6. watch ebay, there's not much of a way to stop them from posting but you'll see them pop up and then just ask if you can come by and check them out set up a time and place and show up with a cop.
7. check back at each store and pawn show religiously as well as look at every ad mentioning drums (or whatever gear has been stolen) on craigslist and ebay.
8. keep in contact with your local bands, can't tell you how many times i've had people try and sell me equipment after i was done playing. or they might know somebody that "just came into a new kit".

and on the off chance you do locate them, DON'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A COP PRESENT.

outside of that stuff not much you can really do except hope somebody see's them and contacts you or the cops....
 

Zickosdrummer

Senior Member
Skitch and others:

I have done 1 & 2. I have $1000 ded on home owners (ouch). 3, 4 & 5 are great ideas, though I had one friend tell me not to alert the pawn shops because they would be less likely to acquire them thus making it less likely for me to recover them. I am watching ebay and Craig's list but I'll widen my search on the latter. No. 8 is a great idea. I haden't thought of it.

Skulmoski, can I put a curse on my gear if they are not in my possession? :)

Thanks everyone for your encouragement. Fingers crossed.
 

caddywumpus

Platinum Member
That's a bummer about your Zickos kit, Zickos.

I thought that it would be worth mentioning to anyone reading about this that your homeowner's insurance might not cover your items if they're expensive--they might make you pay an additional fee for more expensive items. I found this out when inquiring about insuring my music gear. Also, if they are considered "tools of your trade", they are definitely not covered by homeowner's insurance.

Don't assume that your instruments are covered by your homeowner's insurance...check. Also, pictures and identifying marks are key to recovering said items (consider putting something underneath one of the lug casings of each drum, like a piece of paper with your name and phone number..."sorry, I don't have any pictures with me at the moment to prove it's mine, but I'll prove it to you--let's remove the resonant-side lug casing just to the right of the badge..." BINGO!)
 

LukeSnyder

Gold Member
That's a bummer about your Zickos kit, Zickos.

I thought that it would be worth mentioning to anyone reading about this that your homeowner's insurance might not cover your items if they're expensive--they might make you pay an additional fee for more expensive items. I found this out when inquiring about insuring my music gear. Also, if they are considered "tools of your trade", they are definitely not covered by homeowner's insurance.

Don't assume that your instruments are covered by your homeowner's insurance...check. Also, pictures and identifying marks are key to recovering said items (consider putting something underneath one of the lug casings of each drum, like a piece of paper with your name and phone number..."sorry, I don't have any pictures with me at the moment to prove it's mine, but I'll prove it to you--let's remove the resonant-side lug casing just to the right of the badge..." BINGO!)
Wow, thats probably the best idea I've ever heard. A little contact info sheet folded up into one of the lugs. I'm gonna have to do that with every high end drum set I own!
 

azrae1l

Silver Member
i wouldn't put a contact sheet per say, a piece of paper can corrode or get damaged. i use a mark someplace in the metal with an engraving tool. my new kit i removed the tom mount from the suspension mount and engraved my initials under each one. my guitars is also my initials under each bridge, amps are all initialed on the back of a speaker magnet.

just something only you know about that you can use to prove you own them, but i would make it something permanent...
 

azrae1l

Silver Member
Skitch and others:

I have done 1 & 2. I have $1000 ded on home owners (ouch). 3, 4 & 5 are great ideas, though I had one friend tell me not to alert the pawn shops because they would be less likely to acquire them thus making it less likely for me to recover them. I am watching ebay and Craig's list but I'll widen my search on the latter. No. 8 is a great idea. I haden't thought of it.

Skulmoski, can I put a curse on my gear if they are not in my possession? :)

Thanks everyone for your encouragement. Fingers crossed.
alerting pawn shops and them refusing to accept them for pawn is not always bad. the more you limit where they can be sold the less places you have to keep an eye on. you don't want to keep calling 200 pawn shops every third day. but that could also back fire on you. if they can't sell them fairly quickly they may just dump them in a dumpster somewhere to get rid of them so your kinda taking a chance either way...

oh yeah i was actually gonna ask you, zickos, have you considered that it was somebody you know? it seems a little fishy to me that somebody just randomly opened your garage and took them. seems more logical that somebody knew your garage was unlocked and that you had a fair dollar amount of gear in there, neighbors perhaps.

thieves usually go after easy targets, something they can get in and out with real quick, not randomly check doors and garages till they find something. just a thought....
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
Most cymbals, Zildjians, have serial numbers. Write them down or better yet take a photo of the serial numbers. File all of that on a disk, CD, and put it away safely. Hand it to the police or insurance and if possible scan in all receipts for any gear you buy. The more proof you have the better off you will be.
 

Fuo

Platinum Member
oh yeah i was actually gonna ask you, zickos, have you considered that it was somebody you know? it seems a little fishy to me that somebody just randomly opened your garage and took them. seems more logical that somebody knew your garage was unlocked and that you had a fair dollar amount of gear in there, neighbors perhaps.

thieves usually go after easy targets, something they can get in and out with real quick, not randomly check doors and garages till they find something. just a thought....
drums are loud and garages don't block sound too well, so it was probably common knowledge, in his neighborhood, that the garage contained drums. people driving through the neighborhood would probably also know. and i don't think the OP mentioned if it was a break-in or the garage was unlocked.
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
It was a break in, he said so. I am wondering if it was just a random act of theft, or a targeted drum theft, or a targeted Zickos theft. I bet the guy didn't realize he'd stolen a fairly unique set. It would be nice if it would turn out to be his undoing.
You should put a "Wanted, clear Zickos set, any condition" ad in CL
 

azrae1l

Silver Member
drums are loud and garages don't block sound too well, so it was probably common knowledge, in his neighborhood, that the garage contained drums. people driving through the neighborhood would probably also know. and i don't think the OP mentioned if it was a break-in or the garage was unlocked.
i agree, but thats also why i think it was somebody he knows or lives by. a random thief isn't gonna know, but neighbors sure would, people on the next block would, friends of friends would.

the garage being unlocked was just an assumption on my part, i have dogs that bark at the slightest sound so a break in doesn't cross my mind right off the bat. i just assume everybody has dogs that bark cuz thats what i'm used to....

it seems to me it was probably targeted theft, somebody was after those drums and knew exactly where they were and how to get ahold of them.
 

Fuo

Platinum Member
i agree, but thats also why i think it was somebody he knows or lives by. a random thief isn't gonna know, but neighbors sure would, people on the next block would, friends of friends would.

the garage being unlocked was just an assumption on my part, i have dogs that bark at the slightest sound so a break in doesn't cross my mind right off the bat. i just assume everybody has dogs that bark cuz thats what i'm used to....

it seems to me it was probably targeted theft, somebody was after those drums and knew exactly where they were and how to get ahold of them.
agreed. that's what i was getting at, it may not be someone he knows (don't want to turn it into a witch hunt and piss off friends). could be friend of friend/neighbor, serviceman that was working in the neighborhood, someone randomly driving through the neighborhood that heard the drums, etc. but who knows... could be a pissed off neighbor for all we know.
 

larryace

"Uncle Larry"
Who would target a Zickos?...(here's my logic) Someone who wants them. If they want them, they don't want to sell them. You gotta be pretty stupid to steal a rare set and play them.

I'm going with drum theft in general. Thiefs can be kinda dumb. Drums aren't that easy to steal either. Multiple trips and all that. If they get returned, it will be a miracle if they aren't all scratched up. I hope they were in cases.

I had my shed broken into once. They tried to melt the lock with a torch, how brainless can you get? No Einsteins in that bunch. They finally realized that a big screwdriver could pry off the whole hasp.
 

Skitch

Pioneer Member
i'll chime in since i've had stolen gear before....
first and foremost before the gear is even stolen, get pictures of the stuff. it can be a hassle but i do this with every piece of gear i have that's worth any kind of money. pics of distinguishing marks, serial numbers, stamps. anything you need to prove their yours. and i also pick a real obscure place to put a mark that only i know about.

once something has been stolen...
1. call the cops, get a police report. nobody will do anything if you don't have one...
2. call your insurance company and report it (providing you have home owners or renters insurance)
3. make flyers with a picture and ask every pawn shop and music store in your local area if you can post one in their window. even if they do nothing to help a flyer in the window will discourage the thief from trying to pawn them there. or at least ask if they can keep one behind the counter if they won't let you hang one.
4. put an ad on craigslist, don't just watch it. if your thief see's it he will be less likely to try and sell them there. and believe it or not some people are decent and if they do see them will tell you. don't stop at just the for sale either, also post one in the musicians section and anywhere else with a lot of traffic. hell i'd also post one in the personals...
5. offer a reward. if the thief can't sell them they might just try and return them for the reward.
6. watch ebay, there's not much of a way to stop them from posting but you'll see them pop up and then just ask if you can come by and check them out set up a time and place and show up with a cop.
7. check back at each store and pawn show religiously as well as look at every ad mentioning drums (or whatever gear has been stolen) on craigslist and ebay.
8. keep in contact with your local bands, can't tell you how many times i've had people try and sell me equipment after i was done playing. or they might know somebody that "just came into a new kit".

and on the off chance you do locate them, DON'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A COP PRESENT.

outside of that stuff not much you can really do except hope somebody see's them and contacts you or the cops....
This is sage advice!

I do have my gear insured through Clarion (since it is my business gear). The number is 1-800-vivaldi and the website is www.clarionins.com. They have a schedule of my gear with all serial numbers.

Mike

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Skitch

Pioneer Member
It was a break in, he said so. I am wondering if it was just a random act of theft, or a targeted drum theft, or a targeted Zickos theft. I bet the guy didn't realize he'd stolen a fairly unique set. It would be nice if it would turn out to be his undoing.
You should put a "Wanted, clear Zickos set, any condition" ad in CL
Just looking at the pictures, these are going to be easy to id. They are very unique and the thief probably won't realize that; he or she was just after a set of drums to sell and get some quick cash. So, in my mind at least, would make this easier than the Pearl Export drums - just trying to look at the upside or the positive aspects of a very big negative!

Mike

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bobdadruma

Platinum Member
Aside from the mentioned, there isn't a lot that you can do. It doesn't matter if it is drums, or anything else that is stolen, The thief can dispose of the loot in a million ways.
Unfortunate, But True!
Most stolen articles are never recovered.
 
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