Yes, I'm counting it twice as fast as you. My way is in 7/8, while you're counting it in 7/4. Obviously we're both right, but I think my way aligns closer to the main guitar riff. In other words, if you accent the 1 the way I count it (1-2-3-4 | 1-2-3 | 1-2-3 | 1-2-3-4, counting it twice as fast as your 7/4 version), the 1 is always right on a guitar accent.I think you guys are counting it twice as fast as me? I don't know where you're getting the 4+3-- that puts the first 1 off the guitar accent, and the second 1 on it. Doesn't really make sense. It's not an easy riff, because no matter how you count it, the big 1-- the 1 at the top of the 7-- is always in a hole between guitar accents. At least my way puts both 1s (of the 3+4) in the same hole.
Oceantracks, I slapped together a click track for the opening. Check it out, see if it helps. It should loop fairly cleanly if you set it to auto-repeat on your player.
Thanks for doing that. That's pretty good-- the 1s all fall on accents, except for the first one-- seems like a decent practical answer. The only problem is that it's harder to play the drum groove counting that way-- with the slow 7/4 the drum part is just a simple double time feel.I created a click track that shows how I'm hearing it in 7/8, split like this:
1-2-3-4 | 1-2-3 || 1-2-3 | 1-2-3-4
Rather, it can be 7/4 or 7/8, but you have an alternative idea.It's 7/4 not 7/8.
You're calling it 14/8, or 4+2+4+4/8, then. Which is equivalent to 6+8/8, or 3+4/4, or 7/4.This is the way I'm hearing it. If you listen carefully to the guitar riff, it adds up to two bars of 7/4. However, he's breaking up the 7/4 phrasing into 2s and 4s. A bar of 4/4, a bar of 2/4 and two bars of 4/4. Then repeat.
He begins the repeat of his riff where I've bolded the third '1'.
Riff sequence 1234..12..1234..1234 (Could also be a bar of 6/4 and two bars of 4/4)
Sure-- nobody knows what to do with 14/8; it suggests a non-standard phrasing of two measures of 7/8, but it doesn't tell you what the phrasing is. 4+2+4+4/8 is way non-standard, and is begging to be reduced to something more normal. 6+8/8 is the first obvious reduction of it, but 6/8 misleadingly suggests a 3+3 phrasing, so that's no good. 3+4/4 contains the phrasing you suggest, and is a common way of writing 7/4. You could also just call it 7/4, because most musicians automatically know it's probably going to be phrased 4+3 or 3+4, and will figure it out.Someone shoot me down if I'm wrong .
Thanks Kamak. That midi file has clarified what I was hearing more than the original, lol.Sweet, that's on jellybnote.
Of course!This is fascinating and healthy discussion.
Exactly the same way as I'm counting it, except your quarter notes are twice as fast. Hearing the whole song, I like your way better-- fast 6/4 + two measures of 4/4.I'm not even convinced the song is in odd meter at all to be honest. The riff certainly adds up to 14 beats and there's an illusion of two bars of 7 going across the bars. But to me it's just 4/4, 2/4, 4/4, 4/4.