Two lessons in 'importance'

keep it simple

Platinum Member
that little flow he gets going where his left foot is filling in the notes against the hi hat .......while playing the regular kick pattern on the right...

....is pretty damn sick ....to say the very least
Yes, that is nice, but way beyond my capability to dial in at will these days. I tried a bit of that in my last gig (just for the hell of it), & my legs nearly fell off :(

No idea what all the salute & posturing crap was at the end of the video.
 
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Anthony Amodeo

Guest
Am I the only one who thinks this grooves hard? His dynamic control on the bass drum is so developed, and he's actually using it (double bass) musically. I've never seen Creative Coordination, so thanks a lot for posting, Mad!
that little flow he gets going where his left foot is filling in the notes against the hi hat .......while playing the regular kick pattern on the right...

....is pretty damn sick ....to say the very least
 

Bo Eder

Platinum Member
His technical ability as a soloist is breathtaking. I'm a sucker for technique and he has it in spades. Some really amazing ideas and almost geometric thinking with how he subdivides phrases. Extremely impressive.

But where are the musical performances with a band? I search for Thomas Lang and everything is a solo, a clinic, some drum duet or trio or some kind of drumming boot camp. Where are the other musicians?

I read his bio and he's got credits with a lot of artists, but I can't find any video of him with other musicians on stage (except other drummers). I would just like to see him doing something like counting off a song with a band. What is his signature musical performance? I'm not talking about a solo or the most amazing double-bass chops. I mean the SONG that makes you really say, "Wow, the drumming on this tune was an integral part of what made it great music?"

I'm not being coy here. I would really like to know. People focus too much on solos with every drummer, but this is the one guy who seems to perform without a band exclusively.
I hadn't thought about that. The man is an enigma! But then again, do we have any footage of our fav Emannuelle Caplette playing with a band? We don't seem to mind that about her, eh?
 

8Mile

Platinum Member
Let get this straight, Thomas is an incredible drummer, with an enormous virtuosity behind the kit, and he when he does it, it looks easy for him, he has chosen to play music which is not my thing, but he's one of the greats, he has pushed the boundaries of technique beyond what the average drummer will learn and practice (like me, lol), and within his style, he's certainly one of the best around...

A few songs from his DVD, mind blowing stuff for sure, and obviously, totally overplayed, but he plays with music, all these licks and unbelievable chops have more sense in those few songs :)

Mallory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWc2tu6Np_8

Camouflage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdVHvQXhUBg

Stock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD_eEUjUsHo&feature=relmfu

Moon Rock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABg30KkkpRc&feature=relmfu

Metal Fatigue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuIU3B3L1Ls&feature=relmfu
His technical ability as a soloist is breathtaking. I'm a sucker for technique and he has it in spades. Some really amazing ideas and almost geometric thinking with how he subdivides phrases. Extremely impressive.

But where are the musical performances with a band? I search for Thomas Lang and everything is a solo, a clinic, some drum duet or trio or some kind of drumming boot camp. Where are the other musicians?

I read his bio and he's got credits with a lot of artists, but I can't find any video of him with other musicians on stage (except other drummers). I would just like to see him doing something like counting off a song with a band. What is his signature musical performance? I'm not talking about a solo or the most amazing double-bass chops. I mean the SONG that makes you really say, "Wow, the drumming on this tune was an integral part of what made it great music?"

I'm not being coy here. I would really like to know. People focus too much on solos with every drummer, but this is the one guy who seems to perform without a band exclusively.
 

Mad About Drums

Pollyanna's Agent
...but what if Thomas Lang actually had been playing to music? Do you think it would make a difference? Or does he just lack that bit of musicianship that creates and executes cool phrases?...
Let get this straight, Thomas is an incredible drummer, with an enormous virtuosity behind the kit, and he when he does it, it looks easy for him, he has chosen to play music which is not my thing, but he's one of the greats, he has pushed the boundaries of technique beyond what the average drummer will learn and practice (like me, lol), and within his style, he's certainly one of the best around...

A few songs from his DVD, mind blowing stuff for sure, and obviously, totally overplayed, but he plays with music, all these licks and unbelievable chops have more sense in those few songs :)

Mallory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWc2tu6Np_8

Camouflage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdVHvQXhUBg

Stock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD_eEUjUsHo&feature=relmfu

Moon Rock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABg30KkkpRc&feature=relmfu

Metal Fatigue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuIU3B3L1Ls&feature=relmfu
 

Bo Eder

Platinum Member
A couple of mentions that it's all about the song, and not the drummistic stuff. I'm sure we all know that, but what if Thomas Lang actually had been playing to music? Do you think it would make a difference? Or does he just lack that bit of musicianship that creates and executes cool phrases? Listening to someone like Gadd or Jordan, you are hit with musical phrases, and that's probably why you hear that musicality in their playing. So, Lang would be absolutely dangerous with that mental ability? Or maybe we haven't seen it yet but he does have it - just that his market isn't the Steve's market.
 

Jeff Almeyda

Senior Consultant
When I see the Lang video, I see a series of exercises all strung together and played at speed.

What I do not see/hear is any of the basics of musical composition. Forget about exposition, development and recapitulation, I don't even hear a theme. It's hard to listen to.

In the end, it's what you do with the tools that you have that counts. Having the tools and just showing them off gets old quickly.

Those two Gadd vids put up by MAD and Joe M are absolutely awesome BTW. His playing gives me goosebumps.
 
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Souljacker

Silver Member
Yeah, it's the same I find when I watch virtuoso guitarists on youtube.

When I watch Lang or Donati, it is initially interesting but gets boring pretty quick.

Ditto that when I watch Steve Vai or Malmsteen. Quite interesting and enjoyable for say 4/5 minutes. It then becomes self indulgent and tired.

On the other hand, give me Stanton Moore or Steve Jordan, Gadd whoever in the pocket, slamming down a nasty groove to some funky music. Much more enjoyable.

And I do think the likes of Lang could do an impression of Jordan grooving but wouldn't sound close in terms of natural groove and feel that Jordan has.

It's not like Stanton or Jordan don't have chops cos they really do. It's all about the song.
 

Toolate

Platinum Member
Maybe this belongs in your other thread Bo but Ithink Sj is playing 15 or even larger hats in that video?

I will take him any day over Lang. Deep groove is what packs a dance floor and he is sweating goove juice.
 

Joe Morris

DRUMMERWORLD PRO DRUMMER
Many of these young players getting recognition have pu ina lot of work and display lots of speed, energy and endurance.

For me the question is; Does their playing move me? Do I like their sound? Is there interaction happening that peaks my interst? In most case the answer is sadly "No."

Now if I put on something like Five Piece Band with Vinnie on drums, Gadd live with James Taylor and so on, the answer is "Yes" to everything and so much more.
Awesome response!!! Thats wHAT I'm talking about!!!! Well done!!!
 

Odd-Arne Oseberg

Platinum Member
Many of these young players getting recognition have pu ina lot of work and display lots of speed, energy and endurance.

For me the question is; Does their playing move me? Do I like their sound? Is there interaction happening that peaks my interst? In most case the answer is sadly "No."

Now if I put on something like Five Piece Band with Vinnie on drums, Gadd live with James Taylor and so on, the answer is "Yes" to everything and so much more.
 

Mad About Drums

Pollyanna's Agent
OH HECK YEA!!! We can't leave Gavin out. For sure he can groove and he has chops. I love the way he plays. excellent choice in my opinion.
...I've never felt Gavin's groove. To me he's like Thomas Long - he seems more impressive than expressive to me ... thought his sense of timing is amazing. I wouldn't have thought it possible to play that precisely until hearing him play.
Gavin and Simon together... simply amazing drumming :)

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6YooxOTsus

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPf39uh1Mdk

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Yx41LSmXI

Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV1Arl7Z2Ls
 
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