'Most difficult drum beat ever recorded'

moxman

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Definitely not the most difficult beat ever recorded... It's pretty messed up and busy on the hats which to me doesn't groove that well,, sounds to me like drum programming gone off the rails.

It's like saying 'the best drummer ever is..' Yadayadayada. It Is a unique beat though.. Nobody in their right mind would come up with something that messed up!
 

Skitch

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BTW,

Thanks for posting that transcription!

We have a drummers' meeting here once a month and someone was asking about all of th trancsriptions that I used to do when I was out on the road whihc was before DrummerWorld or the Modern Drummer archive and let's face it; there isn't mush to do in small towns when you're there for 4 days straight. I made a list of tall of the songs that I wanted to play and Steely Dan's "Aja" was on that list. I used to sit in resturants with a cd player, headphones and manuscript paper, writing down what I heard. Occasionally, people would stare and wonder what I was doing, while I was tapping out the drum parts on the table top. A passerby said somethig about me being the "rainman", an insult !suppose, which I just laughed off.

I also worked part time in a drafting department at an oil field tooling company and would scan in "fixes" to my Aja transcription and apply them via cut and paste. Somewhere on a server in that company's data center, is a copy of my "Aja".

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Skitch

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Definitely not the most difficult beat ever recorded... It's pretty messed up and busy on the hats which to me doesn't groove that well,, sounds to me like drum programming gone off the rails.

It's like saying 'the best drummer ever is..' Yadayadayada. It Is a unique beat though.. Nobody in their right mind would come up with something that messed up!
Or saying the beat band ever is Led Zepplin

I don't know if you read the post but it was programmed on a Linn drum by Prince. Def Leppard's "Photograph" - programmed by Mutt Lange. But you're right; it would be difficult to come up with a groove like this, just off the cuff. However, Gregg Bisonette, Vinnie Colaiuta, Dennis Chambers, Dave Weckl do it all the time. Oh, don't forget Steve Gadd doing something like this on Al Jarruea's "Spain" - pretty tricky stuff there! At the time (no pun intended) that this song was recorded, drum machines were replacing drummers and would continue to do so.

This also the early 1980s, when drum machines were becoming all the rage and it Is easier (not easy, mind you) to come up with something like this when you can stop and place every note. Also, in 1982 and with a decent budget, an artist had the time to come up with something special for a song, not just the run of the mill. This would apply even if a live, human drummer was present. Here again, the five previously mention drummers.

As far as the 777-9311 goes, it can groove and is good enough for us to be discussing it! It will probably never be as popular as 'Jungle Love" but it is a great groove that came out of an emerging music scene in a city that most don't think of as a music city, Minneapolis, MN.


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Arky

Platinum Member
I don't know too many drum beats but I love this one by Todd Sucherman based on a baiao pattern and I guess it qualifies for a challenging drum beat.

The fastest version starts from 3.27 into the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOtn-OMUoLs

(BTW, superb tutorial - I have both his "Methods & Mechanics" I & II.)
 

iwearnohats

Silver Member
Honestly, the thing that has screwed with my head the most was when I witnessed Virgil Donati do a thing:

1/8th notes on one limb
1/10th (quintuplets) notes on another limb
1/8th triplets on 3rd limb
1/14th (septuplets) 4th limb.

simultaneously.

Not only was it... inhuman to understand someone being able to do it, it actually sounded really cool! I wish I could remember what he was playing with what limb.
 

toddbishop

Platinum Member
I don't know if he's been allowed to put any of this stuff on a record, but the prize for most difficult drum beats in the world EVAR has to go to this guy.
 

WhoIsTony?

Member
I don't know if he's been allowed to put any of this stuff on a record, but the prize for most difficult drum beats in the world EVAR has to go to this guy.
that is some of the most horrific sounding stuff that has ever graced my ears

to me it's like juggling chain saws.....like hey ....I can do this .....great !

:)
 

whitecatcafe

Senior Member
that is some of the most horrific sounding stuff that has ever graced my ears

to me it's like juggling chain saws.....like hey ....I can do this .....great !

:)
+1.

I used to feel that most of what Thomas Lang plays when doing this type of 'multiple meter' stuff was unmusical and didn't sound good, but that guy in that video makes Thomas Lang actually sound musical and cool sounding.
 

toddbishop

Platinum Member
I lasted maybe 20 seconds... and I was bored...
I'm more perplexed by it. He has done something totally unprecedented, but in service of what? I'm kind of a practical guy, so I want to practice things I'm going to use, or that will help me play better, or help me be a deeper artist. Devoting thousands of hours to developing something no listener or player will be able to understand as anything but pure sound, and which is totally uncalled-for and unusable in any music as we know it... I don't get it.
 
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